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Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing with... - 9/6/2007 1:59:11 PM   
Casie


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So, after much debating on here about wheather or not Ron Paul supporters are over texting to make him in the lead I decided to do a little experiment of my own. After the debates I texted my vote. Then I tried to vote again....guess what happend??? I got a text that said, you have already voted today thank you for your participation September 5,2007.............HMMMMMM I guess they are a little more accurate than one leads you to believe. Thats ok now that, the texting over and over again is debunked, I'm sure now it will be that only young people are savy enough to text vote so obviously it still means nothing!! LOL
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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 2:10:59 PM   
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Well, well, well, and Sean Hannity said, "that's all the Paul people calling in!"
Sean Hannity is in love with "Wudy."
Wudy didn't do very well last night.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 2:25:56 PM   
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Well more than half of the young people that are texting to support Ron Paul, will not vote in the next election. Texting is easier than voting.
 
Trust me, as a 'young people' myself, I hate to have to point this out.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 3:03:20 PM   
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Well I'm also a young person, I suppose maybe my friends are more motivated. They all vote even in our local city elections. Perhaps it goes to the fact that I like to surround myself with inteligent people who give a damn. And I think many more people than young people are text voting after the debates. My grandfather who doesn't have a computer knows how to text.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 6:48:01 PM   
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Why you are so proud that you don't grasp mathmatics is way beyond me Cassie, but hey support the guy if you want.  I am sure having kids who do not grasp basic math pushing him will help a heck of a lot, got to look better than the white supremists, and Keepers OF Odd Knowledge...  Pretend a self selecting poll means something if you want also.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 7:13:03 PM   
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All I said is that Ron Paul supporters spamming the text vote isn't true. I understand if you can only vote once than it is only tallies once?? Are you completely ignorant...or just pissed that you and fox news can't use that as an excuse anymore?

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 8:23:50 PM   
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What leads you to support Ron Paul?

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 8:25:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Well, well, well, and Sean Hannity said, "that's all the Paul people calling in!"
Sean Hannity is in love with "Wudy."
Wudy didn't do very well last night.


Ya those two should get a room or something.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 9:20:33 PM   
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quote:

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Well I'm also a young person, I suppose maybe my friends are more motivated. They all vote even in our local city elections. Perhaps it goes to the fact that I like to surround myself with inteligent people who give a damn.


These are the sort of ego-fuckups that are worth their weight ...

In the 2004 election, with record turnout, just over half of 18-24's registered, and less than half voted.
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/voting/004986.html

In the 2000 election, less than 35% of 18 to 24's voted. This is about the average voter turnout for our age group. Unfortunate, but true.

I adore Ron Paul. He's my Congressman, and I can't think of any political figure I respect more. I've worked for him in two elections. That said, he's still a 2% candidate.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 9:56:13 PM   
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Cassie, just so we are talking about the same thing.  You think a self selecting text (or web based) poll is statistically valid?  Yes or no?  One of those (even if it has a one vote per number)  is not a sample of the population at large, but of the people who felt like participating.  Do you honestly not grasp this?  

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 10:03:06 PM   
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I never heard her say this.
 
What I heard, was information presented on results from a text poll, followed by a lot of people claiming it wasn't valid, because people could multi-text.
 
What I see now, is that multi-text was eliminated from the numbers that she presented.
 
I think, respectfully, you are responding to something that Casie never said.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 10:36:27 PM   
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Naw Caitlyn, cassie and I argued this on a previous thread.   I did say you could multi vote on the text poll, which was incorrect, I will eat a small piece of crow if you like.  I also pointed out that the sample was not representative of either the general population, Registered voters, or registered Republicans (who are the ones who vote on who the Republican nominee will be).  I pointed this out becase it is true.  A web poll or a text/call in poll is nothing but a poll of the people who participated.  It is not a normed or scientific opinion poll.  A text or a web poll is 100% meaningless.  I continue to assert that a web (or any self selecting) poll has no validity whatsoever, in relation to the generall public.  And that anyone who doesn't understand why is kind of uneducated (not stupid).  I do not need Fox news to tell me a text poll doesn't matter.

Caitlyn, you understand that RP is a 2% candidate,  Cassie thinks he is the front runner.....Because of the Text polls.  And she thinks Fox news is part of some conspiricy to pretend that Text polls are not valid indicators of Republican opinion.   "or just pissed that you and fox news can't use that as an excuse anymore? "

That a self selecting text poll is not valid is not an excuse, it is a basic mathematicall fact.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/6/2007 11:46:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

I think, respectfully, you are responding to something that Casie never said.


I believe that's the case, too.

Casie points out that REPEAT VOTING FROM THE SAME NUMBER, as alleged, is *NOT* a valid exploit.

HOWEVER.

The potential issues with the Sample Quality raised are also important, and worthy of investigation.

OF COURSE...

The ELECTION results are ALL MADE UP IN ADVANCE, so while it's an interesting exercise, essentially pointless.



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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/7/2007 12:31:24 AM   
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quote:



got to look better than the white supremists, and Keepers OF Odd Knowledge...



Ok......now please dicipher all of this giberish for us.



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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/7/2007 2:11:48 AM   
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I'd like to say that you all woke me up, but the fact is I couldn't sleep because of all the shit on my mind.

I never even heard of that Mitt whatever who took the top spot. But I do know the supposed top candidates did very poorly. With that in mind, let's examine the text poll thing, people are actually identified by their vote, and I really wonder how many of them know it.

This brings us up to another thing, I am starting to believe that the secret ballot should be eliminated. I believe a person should stand up for their choice, and having elected someone, have the right to say "Hey, I stood up for you ".

I have analyzed in my head what a Ron Paul Presidency would be like. Alot of you would not like it. Eventually taxes will go down, but not on industry, and we eventually pay that anyway. Interest will go up, and ythe President of the USA can do nothing about it.

There will be very little credit around and there will be new laws most likely protecting people from foreclosure by predatory lenders, but this cannot continue for long as it is not fair to them. YOU sdigned it that YUO would pay and you didn't. A Man such as Ron Paul will not bail you out of that. Most likely he would come up with a deal where you can stay for a time and find a new place. In his view, the government cannot negate a debt which was voluntatrily contracted into. By YOU by the way.

You know everybody LOVES the Constitution when it works for them, but it does not always. Most people want it both ways, that the Constitution ptrotects them from government, big business, terrorists, influenza and who knows what the fuck else. When it comes time to pay, many say "I don't owe them shit".

Well then where does the money come from ? They have to print more, it is that simple.

I would like to know if anyone around here could stomach a totally Constitutional society. I'll be totally honest with you. I don't really know that I can. I am damn close, I have never taken a handout from them and do not intend to. They send notices that I could get free paint for my house and all that, I have no interest whatsoever. I wish they would stop road construction, it really wasn't that bad, that's why they put springs on cars.

In other words, the costs for example for you to have water at your house, ALL of those costs are reflected in your water bill, not your property taxes.

There arfe many other examples, gasoline would be a different story. Right now the big companies have the right to do whatever they want, we do not. Under President Paul, this would change.

The first thing Paul would do is stop all disbursements to Haliburton, because they are no longer a US company. What he would do with Iraq, I don't even want to think about it. He might split Israel's share of US aid to them and rebuild it and try to be cool in the middle east. This would enrage the Israeli government and cause some more problems.

I would like to think tht Ron Paul is a realist, and that his dealing with China would be very careful. With the amount of Tbills and whatever they hold, they could wipe our economy out with the stroke of a pen. Saddam was about to do that, but we can't do to China what we did to Iraq.

President Paul would indeed be in some troubled times on the China issue. Of course Paul believes in the original princiiples of this country, but others have gotten us into so much shit, it is a gargantuan task. Looking into the eye of the Chinese leader(s) he would have to say "It is wrong for us to be borrowing so much money from you, we must correct this, hopefully without destroying our economies".

Paul is no dummy, he knows we are not getting out of this in five minutes. And the situation with alot of other countries, he might close around 50-60 military bases around the world. If there is a REAL need he might send them to Iraq, but it is not very likely. He would be likely to deploy them at the Mexican border. The standing army is prohibited by the Constitution, but on the border of the US they are not.

Yeah "This is my best advisor to date, Termy Nator, well he is on top of thing and has told me to tell you, first and foremost, that I cannot restore this country to Constitutional orde in five minutes"

As Commander In Chief of the military, he can bring our boys home from places like Germany, Italy, whatever. Stop pying the bills and let them shutdown. Offer them for sale to allies only. Get our troops back and eith finish Iraq or get out. One of the main things Paul would do I think is to reduce the national debt I think. Now I dunno what yall think, but this is a different issue than the trade deficit. This national debt is getting out of hand, and we will have years of paying even if we stopped spending right this second.

Thing is, things will indeed get worse for us for a time if Paul gets elected, but the longer we wait for a Man like hime, the worse it will be. Think about your bank going out of business "Shouldn't have gotten that direct deposit should I ?".

I would've voted for the guy even not seeing the debate (which I didn't). I know his record, I know enough to know how he is. We have a fundamental difference about abortion, but other than that, I have every faith in the Man possible. And he is going into an impossible job, but then maybe it's not quite 100% impossible.

I'll vote for him.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/7/2007 10:41:20 AM   
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And 3 of the 4 most vocal "Keepers" on the boards chime in to defend your mistaken thinking that a text poll means anything, cassie.  Makes my point pretty well I think.

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/7/2007 8:55:10 PM   
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And Cassie, I am not attempting to "discourage you" from supporting RP or being active in politics.  Actually it is great that you are, and I am sure your views will mature as you do.  I just wanted to point out he is a minor candidate, with most of his support based on the "keepers" and pretend support by people like Sugar or Owner 59.  Do you honestly think they are going to vote for a pro life, eliminate welfare, public schools, Social security, and medicare Candidate?  Come on, look at it for real.  Not much different than the Republicans for Nadar in 2000.  They did not support him, but wanted to split the left from the centrist Democrats, and it worked to a degree, arguably costing Gore the election.  If all the Nadar folks had voted for Gore, he would have won Florida free and clear.  Not that those Voters belonged to the Democrats, anymore than RP supporters belong to the Republicans.

I honestly think over stating RP's support and performance (like treating text polls as valid)  hurts his cause, it makes his supporters appear uneducated (not stupid, very different, I am not trying to insult you here).   That and giving time to the 911 Kooks and letting the white supremists over at "Liberty dollar.org"--they used to be called Norfed---seem to have to keep changing the name every few years--use his name and likeness

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/8/2007 6:22:35 AM   
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I've also felt that Paul's ability to attract a variety of supporters would not translate into enough real world votes to carry the election. 
It is an unfortunate dilemma created by the two party stranglehold that any outsider is going to get smeared with the residue from Perot, LaRouche and Badnarik.

But I would still encourage people to vote the splinter candidates instead of expending a vote on the 'approved' candidates - which will only count as approval of the political machine in place. (And not voting would just be tacit approval of the status quo).

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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/8/2007 10:05:48 AM   
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That would be true, if voting matters, which it doesn't.

It's *ALREADY* decided. Now they just give you a believable show, so *enough* people can continue to *believe*.





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RE: Well Well Well I guess the Paulites aren't messing ... - 9/8/2007 1:20:00 PM   
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Which didn't bother you until when?  The time your icons failed to get the results they paid for?

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