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isispisces -> RE: Costco sign (9/9/2007 1:49:01 PM)
Just to toss this out, the primary purposes of the bag/receipt checkers is to a) discourage shoplifting, especially via the self check-out, and b) make sure nothing is forgotten in the mad chaos! At Costco the self-checkout does NOT have any way to tell if you just leave something in your cart and don't bother/forget to scan it, and the people who run around between the self-checkout stands are there to answer questions, help with oopsies and verify legal ages on people buying booze, and don't frequently have much time to keep an eye on the customers other than that. As an employee, if you buy from a regular register you only undergo the same bag/receipt check as customers, if you use self check-out you also must have a manager check your goodies and receipt, as well as the baggie peeps. The only folks whose belongings I ever see them search, at the Costco I worked for until just recently, were the employees who left after closing, since they really have the most opportunity to steal things....though my goodness, we do earn good bank there, we don't need to steal with that pay! rofl <3

farglebargle -> RE: Costco sign (9/9/2007 2:39:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rampoet In response to GhitaAmati: Your specious distinction between ordinances and statutes reveals why there will always be work for attorneys. G-d save us from thinking like yours. As an attorney of long-standing, let me assure you that your signature on a traffic ticket is merely an acknowledgement that you have received a copy of it and that you are the person whose driver's license was presented to the officer. It has nothing to do with waiving any rights or admitting guilt. Signing a traffic ticket means virtually nothing. And adding the words "under druress" likewise means nothing; if you think it does, go talk to all the people who have tried to avoid paying income taxes on that basis. Please do not spread any more of your ignorance among the people on this site. And by the way, the UCC, which is the Uniform Commercial Code, has nothing to do with traffic tickets. Get a life! Well, you SHOULD qualify all that with.. "In jurisdictions which REQUEST a signature..." As here in the big leagues, ( New York ) we don't even bother with that pointless crap. Myself, never seeing any REAL Law Enforcement Officer ask for a signature on a Uniform Traffic Citation, I'd be concerned that I was being setup by some sort of imposter, and would at that point probably want the guy to call his Sargent out ( and or I'd call 911... )

farglebargle -> RE: Costco sign (9/9/2007 2:43:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rampoet Instynctive: No one needs "probable cause" any longer for the kind of search Costco and others are doing or for any kind of warrantless search that police officers do. Read the law! All that is required any longer is "reasonable suspicion" which is a far lower standard than "probable cause" and which has been upheld by SCOTUS. Please cite something which says Shopkeeper's Privilege if predicated on anything BUT Probable Cause. I understand that, in practice, scumbags can get away with anything which is unchallenged, but that doesn't change the law. You don't HAVE to throw out your snacks, just because the Nazi at the movies points to a sign saying "No Outside Food". They can post whatever they like, that doesn't make it Lawful. I understand your frustration, but the solution is the litigate whenever possible, making it expensive for companies to attempt to abuse The People.

farglebargle -> RE: Costco sign (9/9/2007 2:45:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 "Kinda defeats the purpose of self check-out, which is to get rid of having to pay a checkout person. " Nope it doesn't. There is one person watching 6-8 of the machines at a time. There is always someone there to deal with the inevitable screw ups with the machines, damaged UPC Codes, old/confused people, ect. It allows one employee to operate 6-8 registers at a time, it is far more efficient. If I have less than 5 items I always use the self check, it's faster I'm not in the Union. I don't touch a fucking thing...

Sinergy -> RE: Costco sign (9/9/2007 3:56:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster When I use the self-checkout line, I do it because it's faster. Right. You get your items faster Some big corporation gets richer. Somebody starves because they dont have a job, or your taxes go to pay for their indigence. A win-win situation, not. I wont do it because of "ubuntu," a Xhosa word which means "I am me because of us." But then my union's motto is "An injury to one is an injury to all." Sinergy

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Costco sign (9/9/2007 4:28:35 PM)
In keeping with Sinergy's reply, I'd like to clarify my position on this. It's getting harder and harder for me to patronize local businesses - and yet I want to because doing so provides jobs and keeps the flow of money local to me. In other words, I want to spend my dollars locally because I am thereby employing myself and my neighbors. I want to be able to use local stores that are good to their employees. I have a long-standing admiration for the way Costco treats its employees compared to what one sees at Target, Walmart, and Kmart. So it pisses me off when they do things that run counter to being a good neighbor - like the receipt/goods check and the sign thing. Funny thing, Target doesn't check my bags and receipts at the door but they don't treat their employees as well either. These comparison points force me to choices I don't want to have to make. The prices at Costco are only better than other stores on certain items. I don't necessarily find it that much cheaper to buy there. Because I am a frugal bastard and I get my membership free, I know how to pick and choose and still maintain my budget for the items I need. Costco still needs to give me a compelling reason to keep my business - if they can't do it with price or great service, then they better be treating the employees really well. But I am not going to suffer an excess of inconvenience to my rights to shop there - no way! Why can't they treat me right when I shop there? Why can't they respect the rights of their customers? FWIW, I do shop there sometimes but I do still give them shit about the receipt thing, that's just who I am.

thornhappy -> RE: Costco sign (9/9/2007 5:24:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro quote: ORIGINAL: petdave RFID isn't that widespread yet. There's a scale under the platform. My second theory, actually! I figured that it couldn't be too accurate that way and created all kinds of extra of work in terms of weighing each item the first time and then again every time there is new packaging. But I think RFID is more widespread than you may think. Hi folks-- Detection range on these is pretty limited, unlike some of the ads ("our computers told us you were lost"..via satellite... not!) on the TV. You're talking several feet (5-10cm nominal, 50cm if enhanced). If it was too far a distance, your scanner would pick up stuff you weren't aiming for. thornhappy

subinmaine2 -> RE: Costco sign (9/10/2007 6:38:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rampoet In response to GhitaAmati: Your specious distinction between ordinances and statutes reveals why there will always be work for attorneys. G-d save us from thinking like yours. As an attorney of long-standing, let me assure you that your signature on a traffic ticket is merely an acknowledgement that you have received a copy of it and that you are the person whose driver's license was presented to the officer. It has nothing to do with waiving any rights or admitting guilt. Signing a traffic ticket means virtually nothing. And adding the words "under druress" likewise means nothing; if you think it does, go talk to all the people who have tried to avoid paying income taxes on that basis. Please do not spread any more of your ignorance among the people on this site. And by the way, the UCC, which is the Uniform Commercial Code, has nothing to do with traffic tickets. Get a life! y'know...there IS a way to let someone know they may be mistaken about a thought or belief without sounding like a pompous asshat [:D] Personally, they can check me all they want...i've nothing to hide in my personal belongings...however touch something off limits and the rules change, i would then have to drop their ass sweet smile

instynctive -> RE: Costco sign (9/10/2007 6:47:01 AM)
Excellent usage of "asshat". And all this time, I thought UCC stood for "United Church of Christ".. Oh well.

Sinergy -> RE: Costco sign (9/10/2007 9:44:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 "Kinda defeats the purpose of self check-out, which is to get rid of having to pay a checkout person. " Nope it doesn't. There is one person watching 6-8 of the machines at a time. There is always someone there to deal with the inevitable screw ups with the machines, damaged UPC Codes, old/confused people, ect. It allows one employee to operate 6-8 registers at a time, it is far more efficient. If I have less than 5 items I always use the self check, it's faster Thank you for agreeing with and furthering my point, luckydog1. Instead of the 6 checkers that got laid off, they have 1 person dealing with the inevitable screw ups. So the other 5 are on the dole while you do the work to make the corporation rich. I dont work for free. Sinergy

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