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RE: Scat submission - 6/27/2008 7:17:17 PM

Aswad

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Call me paranoid-but it's the "reasonably" part that gets to me.

Reasonably basically means "in a range that normal people might well find acceptable if they educated themselves as to the actual risk and the means of managing it." And that's about as accurate as anything but percentages and the like will get you. Obviously, this means someone will still have to do the research if they want to be aware.

If a 1-in-6 chance of dying is acceptable to you, there's nothing wrong with one round (pardon the pun) of Russian Roulette. If a 2-in-3 chance of dying is acceptable to you, there's nothing wrong with six in a row. But for most of us, those odds wouldn't even come close to being acceptable. Again, reasonable is subjective.

It's true that statistics are cumulative. You're using an inapplicable example, though, as pulling the trigger six times in a row has a fixed probability of killing you (if we simplify by not considering the infinitesimal chance the bullet is a dud or jams), and that will be the exact figure one point nil. STDs and the like, however, are a regular cumulation, in which successive experiences raise the base odds to higher powers.

Take unprotected blowjobs, for example. If a girl picks a random guy, sucks him off, then swallows, she just played the lottery. Her odds of "winning" the HIV pot would hover at around 3-in-a-million. By comparison, taking the car to work might as well have been outlawed as a health concern. Of course, when she's been wearing that poor, sore jaw out every waking hour for a while, with a neverending row of guys she's never seen before, and where nobody gets to go twice, even those odds will add up. Kind of like not wearing your seatbelt for a quick run around the corner will also add up.

All in all, unprotected oral sex is comparable to driving to work.

I'll leave the math on infidelity rates, condom use rates at infidelity, condom failure rates, demographics, bubonic plague resistance, testing frequency and accuracy vs incubation time, partner selection, likelyhood of being told of infidelities and accidents, and so on, to those who would actually be doing it in the first place.

Scat is similar. Figure out what risk you can live with, and what you want to do.

Bear in mind that our instinctive risk evaluaton will mark planes less reliable than cars...

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RE: Scat submission - 6/27/2008 7:19:37 PM

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Who votes that Aswad should not be allowed to post when I'm drinking coffee near a pc??

OMG, Magnolia... you read my posts while drinkng? That's a tragedy waiting to happen.

I'm a sadistic dominant, remember?

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RE: Scat submission - 6/27/2008 7:22:21 PM

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You know I am all for doing your own thing ... but the thought of pooo ~shudders~ to each their own but I would hope they have a good supply of breath mints and a tooth brush handy... Whatever floats your boat hey you get down with your bad self .... but its not my thing ...

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RE: Scat submission - 6/27/2008 11:58:01 PM

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It might be a form of degrading someone but I couldn't do it. The smell would put me off for a start, I'm just not going to get into the health issues! Not recomended

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RE: Scat submission - 6/28/2008 12:09:25 AM

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I will pee on a sub but, I will not take a crap on anyone.....

Diane

never say never

you oculd be at the zoo, hot day, sundress....when a 500 lb gorrila who just escaped its cage jumps down from a tree does the monkey-love scream and starts the barrel charge at you....I'd pretty much bet the people behind you would be sending you a dry cleaning bill the next day.

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RE: Scat submission - 6/28/2008 12:10:51 AM

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I will pee on a sub but, I will not take a crap on anyone.....

Diane

never say never

you oculd be at the zoo, hot day, sundress....when a 500 lb gorrila who just escaped its cage jumps down from a tree does the monkey-love scream and starts the barrel charge at you....I'd pretty much bet the people behind you would be sending you a dry cleaning bill the next day.

Of all of the people here-if Diane says never-I believe her.

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RE: Scat submission - 6/28/2008 2:12:10 AM

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I will do anything my Master requires of me, not because it is a fetish, but because he requires it and it is a way for me to express myself as I need to. This has included the practice of scat that you speak of.

I bow to your commitment.

That particular use hasn't been appealing to me, for reasons including practicality (ties in with the reason for doing it in the first place, which is the difficult mindspace transition when you've started out vanilla with someone and undertake the process of adjusting to use and utility because an interest in objectification is shared) and kissing.

But I think highly of those who are able to render such service as an outgrowth of their dynamic.

(Hope that wasn't too gushy, but this thread was a bit knee-jerk.)

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Wow Aswad, you can be gushy with me anytime!

Oddly enough, it was something he wasn't too keen on doing but that I begged him for, because I needed to find the most difficult, "awful" thing I could think of and willingly go there. Once he did it, the outcome was rather amazing to both of us, and it is something he puts me through from time to time, in various forms. I am always grateful for it - for the opportunity to really struggle through something difficult for him, for the headspace it puts me in, and for the strength is has given me when I have needed to endure some other horrible life things.

Thank you for your kind comments, Aswad. I expounded a bit since you had asked another poster about her motivation.

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RE: Scat submission - 6/28/2008 4:14:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Wow Aswad, you can be gushy with me anytime!

The double-entendres are just flowing here, aren't they?

And you're most welcome, of course.

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Oddly enough, it was something he wasn't too keen on doing but that I begged him for, because I needed to find the most difficult, "awful" thing I could think of and willingly go there.

-nods-

Thanks for elaborating.

Apart from the bit you explicitly mentioned, if I read you correctly, it seems that it still also becomes a matter of crossing a line that is strictly drawn up in our culture, but that instead of doing so for the thrill most find in it, the point becomes to cross that line for him (and you). Since it's a line you would've been raised with, it becomes a matter of willingly crossing the furthest border that one can reasonably cross. Did I get that part of it right?

Just a theory about a secondary factor that I've seen in other connections.

I'm curious as to whether that is also a part of it.

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RE: Scat submission - 6/28/2008 4:20:16 PM

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I have been involved in scat practises since I was a teenager and found that it is for me the utmost form of submission to a mistress.
Please share your sought with me.

Manu

The utmost form of submission is what your Mistress TELLS you it is. Just a thought :)

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RE: Scat submission - 6/28/2008 4:35:14 PM

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I have heard this statement before and was told that it was the HIGHEST form of submission between a submissive and Dominant

And smelliest.

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RE: Scat submission - 6/28/2008 4:38:26 PM

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This may be off base, but shouldn't the Dominant one have some input as to what the "ultimate form of submission" is? If you're "ultimate form of submission" is a wild turn on for you....is it really "the ultimate form"??

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RE: Scat submission - 6/29/2008 1:36:58 AM

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Apart from the bit you explicitly mentioned, if I read you correctly, it seems that it still also becomes a matter of crossing a line that is strictly drawn up in our culture, but that instead of doing so for the thrill most find in it, the point becomes to cross that line for him (and you). Since it's a line you would've been raised with, it becomes a matter of willingly crossing the furthest border that one can reasonably cross. Did I get that part of it right?

Yes, you did.. Particularly considering I have, for the most part, been a bit of a germophobe most of my life. Doing this was huge for me, and scary, and incredibly difficult. But then that was the point.

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Just a theory about a secondary factor that I've seen in other connections.

For me it was basically wanting to go way outside my comfort zone for him, not just because he told me to, but because I wanted and needed to crash through my own walls and boundaries for him.

We have done this through several avenues, but this particular act has been one of the greatest of challenges.

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