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slavedesires -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (8/30/2005 4:46:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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only people stand before him on judgemnt day, not acts of nature


But then being "all merciful" and "all forgiving"; along with the "all knowing" why the need for any judgment? Or is it your position that the diety you worship doesn't control acts of nature?


yes God does.
Have you not read the book of Job and asked why?
Job never asked why ..... He just believed altho nature and man tried to get him to ask why and deny.
The Sovereign Deity needs not to be accountable for His reasons why, but we will be held accountable.

edited to say i did not say this correctly.....
i meant to say..Job never asked God why.




Mercnbeth -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (8/30/2005 5:13:23 PM)

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Have you not read the book of Job and asked why?
Job never asked why ..... He just believed altho nature and man tried to get him to ask why and deny.


The story of Job taught me it might be better to have that god an enemy rather than a friend. Also that god had a gambling problem, since his bet with the devil caused all the problems with Job. Not to mention that he/she was willing to pull out all the stops to prove his/her point. After the "running sores" didn't alter Job's position the rest was a bit of overkill wouldn't you say?




Lordandmaster -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (8/30/2005 8:16:48 PM)

Yet more misinformation. This is Job 3:

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1 After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.

2 And Job spake, and said,

3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.

5 Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.

6 As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.

7 Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.

8 Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.

9 Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day:

10 Because it shut not up the doors of my mother’s womb, nor hid sorrow from mine eyes.

11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?

12 Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?

13 For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,

14 With kings and counsellors of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves;

15 Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:

16 Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.

17 There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.

18 There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.

19 The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.

20 Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul;

21 Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures;

22 Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?

23 Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in?

24 For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters.

25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.

26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.


Really, do the people who refer to the Bible right and left ever READ the Bible?

Lam

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ORIGINAL: slavedesires

Have you not read the book of Job and asked why?
Job never asked why ..... He just believed altho nature and man tried to get him to ask why and deny.





ElektraUkM -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (8/31/2005 3:50:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ElektraUkM

I think you had it right, sanita, when you viewed God as a "big ole dominant". What happens, happens, whether we think it's good or bad or indifferent... our job (imho) is to get on with dealing with the results, not to question the methodology.



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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Well, I agree with all of that except the last paragraph. Who gave us our "job"? I think it is as healthy to question as it is to get on dealing with results.



Thanks for commenting. I really phrased that last part of my post badly. What I should have said was more along the lines of, "I believe it's my task", rather than dragging other people into it.

Regarding questioning, I think that (for me), in order to be beneficial, the questions need to be of a particular kind. So questioning whether I'm getting things 'right' or not, or asking for guidance, is a positive kind of questioning, because they are questions which help me to keep to the track I'm on, to deal with the things that life has thrown up, to follow through with something, or whatever. It's when I start asking for clarification or explanation (if I could ever receive such a thing), or reassurances, or promises; that's when I think I'm getting off the track.

The track (for me) is to have faith; to believe. To believe in what I see as 'the process' (or acts, perhaps). Asking too many questions is a sign that I'm wanting to take control, and that's detrimental to the process. I'd liken what I feel about this to someone thinking about the process of meditation rather than sitting and doing it. If you think, you won't meditate... it won't work. If I ask the 'wrong' questions in attempting to follow God's 'will' (though I hesitate to anthropomorphise this!); I will end up lost.

Just how I see it, and how it's worked for me personally.

edited to add: just to clarify, I'm talking about questions asked after I'd begun to have faith in the process, rather than the extensive thinking and searching I did for the decades before I got to this place.

~ Elektra




slavedesires -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (8/31/2005 6:01:42 PM)

Job never cursed God, only His acts.




Lordandmaster -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (8/31/2005 8:38:52 PM)

You said Job never asked why, not that he never cursed God.




Lordandmaster -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 12:36:23 AM)

I'm kinda surprised that no one has resurrected this thread in the light of the hurricane.




Mercnbeth -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 10:28:57 AM)

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I'm kinda surprised that no one has resurrected this thread in the light of the hurricane.


Interestingly, god was used by both the sides of the political and moral battle. Initially someone from the left noted that Mississippi, and Alabama were harder hit because they were "Red-States", and New Orleans "spared" with the late right turn because it was a "Blue-State". Then when the flood hit after the levees broke, it was god "punishing" the City because of a Gay Parade scheduled there.

Wondering if I should be worried about a 8.0 Earthquake when I attend the Folsom Street Fair in SF at the end of the month.

It is the lack of leadership causing most of the suffering in New Orleans. The "usual suspects" are all fighting for TV time. Politicians (local & national), environmentalists, minority "leaders", evangelists, FEMA; they all are positioning while people die.

It's more evident than ever; we have NO leadership in this country. They couldn't conduct a public opinion pool quick enough to determine what they should do. As a result they do nothing! Once the first shot was fired on the medical relief groups Marshall Law should have gone into effect.

The effect of this disaster will be long term and far reaching. The first domino has fallen, and the rest are ready to fall. Fifteen percent of our domestic oil and gas supply was wiped out. Already lines are forming at gas stations in the southeast. Hurricane season isn't over. Right behind that, we have winter coming. Yet, the rest of the country, especially here in LA, goes about their daily routine blindly naive. Just this morning after 15 minutes of "Tragedy Coverage" the local news sent it over to it's buxom weather girl (the one that does the Sunday NFL weather) who giggles embarrassingly while reporting "If those people would have only come here - the weather will be in the 70's and clear ALL weekend for the big Labor Day Holiday!"

What's this have to do with god? Damn if I know! But I'm so pissed off at seeing the lack of action, so angry at decisions being made come at the end of public opinion polls, so amazed that we allow people to rationalize that the looting and mayhem we are witnessing is the fault of everyone else EXCEPT the people actually doing the looting and mayhem. The logic of stealing a DVD or TV in an area with no food or water, let alone electricity to plug in the damn thing. But the Black Caucus, Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton, resplendent in the $3,000 suits, would use the occasion to blame and point fingers to insight. Leadership would have been better illustrated by just saying, STOP killing each other! STOP putting yourself in a position to be killed by looting goods that you don't need, can't use, and won't feed your hunger or quench your thirst.

If that's perceived as a racist comment, than the core point is illustrated - It's NEVER the fault of the person doing the act, it's the situation he/she were put. Without self accountability there is NO civilization. It goes back to the post I made a few pages back. If religion serves any purpose it is to create an environment of responsibility without daily oversight. Well I think we are witnessing the consequence of that concept breaking down. I don't think it would be any different in the white-ist part of Idaho. Without fear of consequence, humanity resorts to it's primitive "survival of the fittest" savage mentality.

Lack of leadership is what provided the opportunity in this case. And of course $$$ comes into the picture. Let's look at some very recent history regarding the city of New Orleans. But environmentalists keep in mind, for every one foot in height of a levee it takes three feet of wetlands in width. I'm sure some blind salamander types would have bit the bullet. Anyway...

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Both the Bush and Clinton administrations proposed budgets that low-balled the needs. Local politicians grabbed whatever money they could and declared victory. And the public didn't exactly demand tax increases to pay for flood-control and hurricane-protection projects.

Just last year, the Army Corps of Engineers sought $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans. The White House slashed the request to about $40 million. Congress finally approved $42.2 million, less than half of the agency's request.

Yet the lawmakers and Bush agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-laden highway bill that included more than 6,000 pet projects for lawmakers. Congress spent money on dust control for Arkansas roads, a warehouse on the Erie Canal and a $231 million bridge to a small, uninhabited Alaskan island.

How could Washington spend $231 million on a bridge to nowhere -- and not find $42 million for hurricane and flood projects in New Orleans? It's a matter of power and politics. Alaska is represented by Republican Rep. Don Young, chairman of the House Transportation Committee, and Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, a senior member of the all-important Senate Appropriations Committee. Louisiana's delegation holds far less sway.
Source: http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/nationworld/articles/1808947.html


It would be an interesting debate if the people in American desire a Hitler-like figure to just take charge. That type of authoritarian figure fills the "law & order" vacuum. The pragmatic decisions will be cheered. "We need lower gas prices." - Nationalize the oil industry and fix prices. It's a VERY dangerous time. L & M, One of the points we disagree is the need for a "Plan". I feel Kerry's loss was due to only solving half the equation. The deficiencies he pointed out regarding Bush and his regime may have been correct, but his lack at detail on the solution was what made him come up short.

Man - WHAT A RAMBLING RANT! And I don't feel any better at all!

God? DAMN them ALL !

Edited, because I was ranting faster than I was spelling and grammering.




pinkpleasures -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 10:57:56 AM)

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At least that's a more honest answer than what most people give.

Why do you believe? Unlike a lot of people who talk about God, I'm not trying to get you to abandon your faith or see things my way. Actually, I'm trying to understand how to see things YOUR way. I still don't get it, but I find it interesting that you believe even though you take the problems I mentioned seriously. Most people I know who believe in God just try to dismiss all the problems.

Lordandmaster


As i have said, my understanding of why God allows evil in the Catholic Catecism was given short shrift and went something like "It makes us appreciate goodness." There was nothing in the Catecism (so far) dealing with natural disasters.

i believe in God, and that He created the world, and that we have chaos as well as evil in the world. i think chaos is responsible for natural disasters. It seems totally illogical that God starts a forest fire or tsunami as an object lesson...especially since the people left behind don't understand the point.

Emerald is right; the problem of natural disasters as well as evil have been discussed and debated for centuries...to me this only proves that there is no satisfactory answer, and perhaps we shall know only after we die and see God for ourselves.

pinkpleasures




darkinshadows -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 11:42:13 AM)

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What's this have to do with god? Damn if I know! But I'm so pissed off at seeing the lack of action, so angry at decisions being made come at the end of public opinion polls, so amazed that we allow people to rationalize that the looting and mayhem we are witnessing is the fault of everyone else EXCEPT the people actually doing the looting and mayhem. The logic of stealing a DVD or TV in an area with no food or water, let alone electricity to plug in the damn thing. But the Black Caucus, Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton, resplendent in the $3,000 suits, would use the occasion to blame and point fingers to insight. Leadership would have been better illustrated by just saying, STOP killing each other! STOP putting yourself in a position to be killed by looting goods that you don't need, can't use, and won't feed your hunger or quench your thirst.


Its the lack of action that is the fault. Yes, you are correct in stating that people fault everyone except the people doing the looting etc - the reality is that its both are in the wrong and at fault.

People should be made accountable for their actions. Those that are looting and rioting are wrong. Its dangerous, helps no one, including themselves, like you say - no amount of suits is going to quench a thirst. But where does the rioting come from? From greed, yes - but from fear. Not the kind of fear that is self survival, but the fear that comes from disassociation and the feeling of no one giving a fuck. There is such a feeling of hoplessness and loss that NOTHING is going to change - then what does it matter is people do riot? What does it matter - because people have nothing to look forward to - they will still be in slums, living in poverty, from check to check, because the education system is fucked and favours the rich, that theres no jobs to get even if people work hard in the education they recieve and the jobs that are there are so poorly paid that people have to hold down three or four different ones just to feed their families - that health is expensive and that education on sexual matters is minimal and provided by - yup - you got it - religious fundementalists... so is tainted and poisoned by hate and misrepresentation... and that fuels, food and other important products are taxed to fuck and that people are going to have to pay for the governments mistakes via taxation and higher prices.

I have hope - because I am blessed by faith. Lots of people have their faith thrown back into their faces time and time again and it hurts. Sometimes faith gets bruised and it takes a hell of alot of strength to heal. And when a faith is constantly battered, just like an injury, it can break - people break. Its not great and its not right - but its everyones responsibility to stand up and support. There are babies being born their with dead bodies just on the other side of a curtain - is that what our future holds for our children?

Where does God fit in all this? Hes optimistic and omnipotent. He fits in by letting us learn from mistakes and not just being a crutch. He thinks we have that potential - but sometimes - most time - we disappoint Him. Gods reaction might not be the one you want, or even read about in those happy clappy books sold by dentured smiles, but it is His decision.
Is it great? Is it fair? Is it belevolent? Just? Forgiving? Nope - I wouldnt say it is... but then - do we deserve anything else with what we do?

One day, its going to be too late. One day its all going be over and then people will say - 'hey - its ok, because God loves me and I was kinda good. I believed in Jesus, I paid my taxes, I gave some shit to chariety - I will be great... is all good.'

But thats fucking crap. One day, its going to be too late. One day its all going to be over and people are going to go - Gods forsaken me. But maybe that would just be fucking better than what we, as a people and a creation deserve. Maybe, where we are and what we are going through now is better than the alternative - because right now - we fucking dont deserve anything better.

Peace and Love and Tears


quote:

Dead as dead can be
The 'doctor' tells Me
But I just can't believe him
Ever the Optimistic One
I'm sure of your ability
To become My perfect enemy

Wake up and face Me
Don't play dead 'cause maybe
Someday I will walk away and say
You disappoint Me - maybe you're better off this way...

Leaning over you here
Cold and catatonic
I catch a brief reflection
Of what you could and might have been
It's your right - and your ability
To become My perfect enemy

Wake up (Why can’t you?)
And face me (Come on now)
Don't play dead (Don’t play dead)
'Cause maybe (Because maybe)
Someday (Someday)
I’ll walk away and say
You disappoint me - maybe you're better off this way...

Maybe you're better off this way
You're better off this
Maybe you're better off...

Wake up (Why can't you?)
And face me (Come on now)
Don't play dead (Don’t play dead)
'Cause maybe (Because maybe)
Someday (Someday)
I’ll walk away and say
You Fucking disappoint Me - Maybe your better off this WAY!

Go ahead and play dead
(GO!)
I know that you can hear this
(GO!)
Go ahead and play dead
(GO!)
Why can't you turn and face me?
(WAKE UP!)
Why can't you turn and face me?
(WAKE UP!)
Why can't you turn and face me?
(WAKE UP!)
Why can't you and face me?
(GO!)
YOU FUCKING DISAPPOINT ME!

Passive-aggressive bullshit... Passive-aggressive bullshit... Passive-aggressive bullshit... Passive-aggressive bullshit...

'Passive'
A Perfect Circle







Mercnbeth -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 11:54:29 AM)

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But thats fucking crap. One day, its going to be too late.


dark~angel
That day may truly be here.

Curious about how the situation in New Orleans is being perceived by the people in Europe and in particular the UK. I read the papers, but rarely do they document the opinions without a philosophical slant. Is there any surprise about how the US seems impotent to take care of itself in this case?

Thanks!

PS - Very interesting piece you quoted, providing many interesting perspective interpretations.




pinkpleasures -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 12:09:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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I'm kinda surprised that no one has resurrected this thread in the light of the hurricane.


Interestingly, god was used by both the sides of the political and moral battle. Initially someone from the left noted that Mississippi, and Alabama were harder hit because they were "Red-States", and New Orleans "spared" with the late right turn because it was a "Blue-State". Then when the flood hit after the levees broke, it was god "punishing" the City because of a Gay Parade scheduled there.

Wondering if I should be worried about a 8.0 Earthquake when I attend the Folsom Street Fair in SF at the end of the month.

It is the lack of leadership causing most of the suffering in New Orleans. The "usual suspects" are all fighting for TV time. Politicians (local & national), environmentalists, minority "leaders", evangelists, FEMA; they all are positioning while people die.

It's more evident than ever; we have NO leadership in this country. They couldn't conduct a public opinion pool quick enough to determine what they should do. As a result they do nothing! Once the first shot was fired on the medical relief groups Marshall Law should have gone into effect.

The effect of this disaster will be long term and far reaching. The first domino has fallen, and the rest are ready to fall. Fifteen percent of our domestic oil and gas supply was wiped out. Already lines are forming at gas stations in the southeast. Hurricane season isn't over. Right behind that, we have winter coming. Yet, the rest of the country, especially here in LA, goes about their daily routine blindly naive. Just this morning after 15 minutes of "Tragedy Coverage" the local news sent it over to it's buxom weather girl (the one that does the Sunday NFL weather) who giggles embarrassingly while reporting "If those people would have only come here - the weather will be in the 70's and clear ALL weekend for the big Labor Day Holiday!"

What's this have to do with god? Damn if I know! But I'm so pissed off at seeing the lack of action, so angry at decisions being made come at the end of public opinion polls, so amazed that we allow people to rationalize that the looting and mayhem we are witnessing is the fault of everyone else EXCEPT the people actually doing the looting and mayhem. The logic of stealing a DVD or TV in an area with no food or water, let alone electricity to plug in the damn thing. But the Black Caucus, Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton, resplendent in the $3,000 suits, would use the occasion to blame and point fingers to insight. Leadership would have been better illustrated by just saying, STOP killing each other! STOP putting yourself in a position to be killed by looting goods that you don't need, can't use, and won't feed your hunger or quench your thirst.

If that's perceived as a racist comment, than the core point is illustrated - It's NEVER the fault of the person doing the act, it's the situation he/she were put. Without self accountability there is NO civilization. It goes back to the post I made a few pages back. If religion serves any purpose it is to create an environment of responsibility without daily oversight. Well I think we are witnessing the consequence of that concept breaking down. I don't think it would be any different in the white-ist part of Idaho. Without fear of consequence, humanity resorts to it's primitive "survival of the fittest" savage mentality.

Lack of leadership is what provided the opportunity in this case. And of course $$$ comes into the picture. Let's look at some very recent history regarding the city of New Orleans. But environmentalists keep in mind, for every one foot in height of a levee it takes three feet of wetlands in width. I'm sure some blind salamander types would have bit the bullet. Anyway...

quote:

Both the Bush and Clinton administrations proposed budgets that low-balled the needs. Local politicians grabbed whatever money they could and declared victory. And the public didn't exactly demand tax increases to pay for flood-control and hurricane-protection projects.

Just last year, the Army Corps of Engineers sought $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans. The White House slashed the request to about $40 million. Congress finally approved $42.2 million, less than half of the agency's request.

Yet the lawmakers and Bush agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-laden highway bill that included more than 6,000 pet projects for lawmakers. Congress spent money on dust control for Arkansas roads, a warehouse on the Erie Canal and a $231 million bridge to a small, uninhabited Alaskan island.

How could Washington spend $231 million on a bridge to nowhere -- and not find $42 million for hurricane and flood projects in New Orleans? It's a matter of power and politics. Alaska is represented by Republican Rep. Don Young, chairman of the House Transportation Committee, and Republican Sen. Ted Stevens, a senior member of the all-important Senate Appropriations Committee. Louisiana's delegation holds far less sway.
Source: http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/nationworld/articles/1808947.html


It would be an interesting debate if the people in American desire a Hitler-like figure to just take charge. That type of authoritarian figure fills the "law & order" vacuum. The pragmatic decisions will be cheered. "We need lower gas prices." - Nationalize the oil industry and fix prices. It's a VERY dangerous time. L & M, One of the points we disagree is the need for a "Plan". I feel Kerry's loss was due to only solving half the equation. The deficiencies he pointed out regarding Bush and his regime may have been correct, but his lack at detail on the solution was what made him come up short.

Man - WHAT A RAMBLING RANT! And I don't feel any better at all!

God? DAMN them ALL !

Edited, because I was ranting faster than I was spelling and grammering.

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The logic of stealing a DVD or TV in an area with no food or water, let alone electricity to plug in the damn thing. But the Black Caucus, Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton, resplendent in the $3,000 suits, would use the occasion to blame and point fingers to insight.


Sir..and miss...there are good people in politics as well as other maligned professions who seek to alleviate suffering and bring order back to a devastated area. There are also the evil; the dim; the opportunists. After Hurricane Andrew, a lot of people packed up their pickups and drove to the devastated area, and stole people's insurance checks with no more than a promise to return the following day and begin putting a roof on a house.

The Insurance Commissioner at the time, Tom Gallagher, brought the forces available to bear on the problem of insurance fraud; looting; lack of supplies; etc. Those of us under his command worked like dogs for months. A great deal was learnt from that disaster but i do not see this wisdom being applied to New Orleans, which has not even a source of law and order.

And Sir...and miss...i would not cobble together the Black Caucus with either Jesse Jackson or -- Gawd forbid -- Al Sharpton. African Americans do have legitimate, reflective, thoughful leaders, such as Bruce Gordon, current president of the NAACP.

http://www.naacp.org/about/leadership_president_corner.html

The aftermath of the storm on New Orleans will depend a great deal on the activities of the government...we can only hope that the government is persuaded to act for the people, and not those who seek to profiteer.

pinkpleasures




FangsNfeet -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 2:15:14 PM)

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Wondering if I should be worried about a 8.0 Earthquake when I attend the Folsom Street Fair in SF at the end of the month.


Nope, that'll only happen when I finally visit the area. As for New Orleans, can the town itself be anywhere near as bad as Sodem n Gomor? The news stated yesterday that New Orleans will be almost ready to live in 6 months from now. WOW, how interesting this is going to happen right around Febuary and March. Perhaps this can be Gods way of wanting a more holly or toned down Mardi Gras.

How true it is that Hurricane season isn't over. The astrodom in Houston has been booked for a year by the city for flood refugees. There's no telling what God will do with the rest of the Hurricanes this year.

As for the Hitler statement, I remember the story of how Galveston was put under Marshall Law after the GREAT STORM of 1900. Looters were to be shot on sight. Everyone was ordered to work for free booze or be shot/jailed. No one was allowed to just set on a dry piece and begin yelling "WE NEED HELP! WE NEED HELP! WE NEED HELP!" The situation was taken as is and made into better.




Lordandmaster -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 4:29:46 PM)

Were people in Galveston dropped off at the convention center, told to wait for a bus, and then not given food or water for three days?

You sound like you have the same attitude as FEMA: if people die, it's their own fault.

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

As for the Hitler statement, I remember the story of how Galveston was put under Marshall Law after the GREAT STORM of 1900. Looters were to be shot on sight. Everyone was ordered to work for free booze or be shot/jailed. No one was allowed to just set on a dry piece and begin yelling "WE NEED HELP! WE NEED HELP! WE NEED HELP!" The situation was taken as is and made into better.





darkinshadows -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 4:49:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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But thats fucking crap. One day, its going to be too late.


dark~angel
That day may truly be here.

Curious about how the situation in New Orleans is being perceived by the people in Europe and in particular the UK. I read the papers, but rarely do they document the opinions without a philosophical slant. Is there any surprise about how the US seems impotent to take care of itself in this case?

Thanks!

PS - Very interesting piece you quoted, providing many interesting perspective interpretations.


Yes - I believe this is part of an already ongoing day. Very 'expected' response I guess from a religious fanatic like myself[;)]... I think most people who believe in a 'higher power' usually proclaim that their lifetime is in fact the 'end of times' - I think its a way of feeling closer to what people 'know' - however, my belief is that this process began quite a few years ago, probably well over a couple of hundred - and it will last for a lot longer yet and I wont see its fruition in my mortal lifetime... after all, what is a human day to a God?

I think in the UK, it is a tendancy to view everything philosophically - it's not just the papers - rarely is anything black and white. Here, the feeling is unease - and a complete confusion on how anyone - not just USA residents but ourselves as well - how anyone has allowed something like this to happen to such an influential and powerful country. Theres quite a bit of 'one man caused all this' thought (ie Bush) - One thing that was disturbing and Demon mentions this in response to your question - is that after the initial evactuations and after katrina hit and the first pictures were aired - was the see of non caucasion faces. Black - mostly, some hispanic - but white? Barely none. Demons thoughts on this is was this just incompetance or indifference? Mine is one of anger and contempt at watching a government who claims to stand for a multicultural and multi-ethnic country allow such obvious shit to happen, let alone for all the world to see. If you really want to see terrorism, its not just caused by outside forces - your own governments causing it as well.
I dont believe anyone in the UK places any kind of blame on any american countrymen for such situations - and I think they actually do understand the reasons behind the looting and diseffected resentment felt by the citizans of those states - but I think it is americas response to its government that will be the telling finality of it all.

I dont really believe most people in the UK have even thought about the whole 'Acts of God' thing - in truth, I dont think many people have even given thought to just how many natural disasters have occured in the last 50 yrs - let alone the last year. If they did, I am sure a hell of a lot more would be being done. But like that which has been said before - when people do see - its really going to be too late.

I love the particular lyric I quoted, especially if you can hear it - it makes total sense and like all art, is open to individual interpretation. The piece quoted before could be turned upside down. But either way - its still all relevant.
How much more has to happen - how much more do we allow, ignore - before its too late and we make (or create) an enemy instead of a friend?

Peace and Love




pinkpleasures -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/2/2005 6:16:03 PM)

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One thing that was disturbing and Demon mentions this in response to your question - is that after the initial evactuations and after katrina hit and the first pictures were aired - was the see of non caucasion faces. Black - mostly, some hispanic - but white? Barely none. Demons thoughts on this is was this just incompetance or indifference? Mine is one of anger and contempt at watching a government who claims to stand for a multicultural and multi-ethnic country allow such obvious shit to happen, let alone for all the world to see.

dark~angel


You are not alone in this, dark~angel. The truth is many US cities are populated almost exclusively by non-whites, and whites occupy the suburbs. It's a form of discrimination that followed the busing decisions of the '70's and was called white flight. Amoung the advantages of being white apparently is the adequacy of one's insurance, providing one an option to remove oneself from the devastated area in advance and find a hotel room outside the area which has all the comforts of home.

i know, because whenever a hurricane threatened Tallahassee, i packed up my kid and ran off to Atlanta. i did not care about the house or its contents; they were insured. And i left when warnings were being given, not the day before the storm...so we were not stuck in traffic.

It takes good insurance to be able to afford that. Some insurance companies will not sell inside the city limits -- or some other area -- in a practice called "redlining". So poor people may not be able to get insured even if they can afford it. It takes a strong Insurance Commissioner to see to it that such practices are prevented, and evidentially we are seeing that was not the case in Louisiana.


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Were people in Galveston dropped off at the convention center, told to wait for a bus, and then not given food or water for three days?

You sound like you have the same attitude as FEMA: if people die, it's their own fault.

Lordandmaster


FEMA is one governmental agency that needs a complete overhaul; just like others (HUD, the SEC, etc.) It seems to exist for its own benefit, and people suffering are a secondary consideration. My opinion of the Red Cross and United Way are not much higher. After Hurricane Andrew, the first wave of assistance took 3 days to reach people and was done by Reservists. We should have learnt how to cope better than this -- this is disgraceful.

pinkpleasures




slavedesires -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/3/2005 10:06:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You said Job never asked why, not that he never cursed God.



You are correct, i did not say my thought correctly...so i will go back and edit it...
Job never asked "why, God?"




Lordandmaster -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/3/2005 11:38:46 AM)

Yes, he did. Please, instead of editing your posts, use the time to read the Book of Job.




MistressSassy66 -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/16/2005 3:42:23 PM)


IMO....I believe its His way of population control.

Look at the incurable diseases...they exist for a reason...too many people,then
people get sick,then a major disease breaks out kills alot more people at once.

We pay attention to the wildlife to know what happens when there are too many,have a big shoot off to kill the extras.

Well thats sorta what a natural disaster is.


I know this sounds heartless,I have lost friends and family for all sorts of reasons,but I still believe its for the overall good of our survival.




Mercnbeth -> RE: "Acts of God" Riddle (9/16/2005 4:14:56 PM)

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I believe its His way of population control.


Great point!

In this case he's just a poor planner NOT vindictive. I'll have to ponder that some more.

So if he let us all live forever, he'd have to change the physical Einstein Law regarding the speed of light being absolute so we could populate other planets.

But then if heaven is a place of eternal life isn't it getting a little over crowded there? I'm sure hell is already over crowded. That makes some sense. Waiting in lines is hell for me, so when I get there I'll expect crowds anyway.




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