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SusanofO -> RE: Female Dominants (9/8/2007 11:32:19 PM)

TheIronHorse: Well, what the Hell are You doing here? Shouldn't you be in the "Ask a Master" section yourself? This forum is mostly for people who can appreciate Dommes. It's free country and all, but IMO you're being pretty rude to everyone here - and my guess is that you:

1) Don't really understand squat, really, about how Dommes or male submissives generally operate and -

2) Don't really care much, either.

Why don't you just go Yak somewhere else, like on a forum for other male Dominants, like yourself?

- Susan




iammachine -> RE: Female Dominants (9/8/2007 11:36:02 PM)

Everyone's different. I'm sure life experience can attribute to how "dominant" someone is, but everyone has different experiences in that regard. There are older women who are just now coming to practice their "role" in the lifestyle, and some that are younger that may have been active for quite some time. I think it's really more a matter of how strong that characteristic is in whoever's personality. 




MissMagnolia -> RE: Female Dominants (9/8/2007 11:44:50 PM)

*rolls eyes, just another wankstain who equates dominance with rudeness*

To the OP, I can only answer specifically for myself. I put a lot of my life on hold when I married, had an UM, divorced, was a single mum, etc.(oh god, I sound so holier than thou!! I CHOSE to be a stay at home mum, I'm not saying that everyone should). When my son grew up and left home, I was able to restart my life because I had more time/freedom to pursue all my interests. Perhaps others have found that they have more time in their 40's-50's? 




BeachMystress -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 4:56:59 AM)

I'm not sure why you'd think there was a way to equate age and level of Dominance. Ability to control another is not set by age but more by attitude, life experience and natural tendencies. (Do not feel that life experience means time you've spent on this earth. By the age of 20, I had dealt with being raped, my sister having leukemia, my fiancee being murdered and two great grandmothers, four aunts and my mother dying.) I was as much a Dominant at the age of 17 (when I started Domming) as I am now. And while you might say that women in their 40's and up have more experience as a Dominant, that isn't always true. Many of those women came to Dominance with-in the past ten years. Please keep in mind that when those 40 year olds were growing up, BDSM was mostly underground. The advent of the Internet has made people aware of our lifestyle and able to find it.




iammachine -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 11:23:40 AM)

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*rolls eyes, just another wankstain who equates dominance with rudeness*


Um, excuse me? If you were using FR to direct that comment to someone else, it may have been prudent to specify. Otherwise, I don't see how my post made any insinuations as to rudeness, at all. Or had wank qualities, at that.  I'm going to bite my tongue now.




blackpearl81 -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 11:43:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HutchGarahl

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ORIGINAL: TheIronHorse

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ORIGINAL: Jill805

A Female Dominant is exactly that.  A Female Dominant.  Her age is irelevant!




So tell me, do you have much success dating in the vanilla world?



Jill is correct....a female dominate is a female dominate......age has no relavence. A 24 years old can be just as aggressive or light in her dominance as someone my age. Dominance, just as submission is a state of mind.....it's something within you, not an age thing. The only thing age gives, is more experience in life itself.


I'm inclined to agree with both you (Hutch) and Jill.

However, I'd also like to add this, although it just about dupilicates what you said.

Not only experience, but the ability to handle any situations that may arise, as well as deal with them in a mature and.. um... "non damaging"?? manner.

For example. Let say a situation arose, among 2 seperate Dom/mes.
One Dom/me is 41
The other is 24.

The 24 year old may handle a situation badly, and cause  (although not be the sole cause) of a relationship going dead. Whether its saying something, or doing something.

The 41 year old, may have already dealt with something like this before, and she is able to apply what she learned previously.

To paraphrase something I saw another Dom/me say when I used to frequent these boards:

"Who were they a Dom/me to? Ken & Barbie?"

Just my 2 cents.




MsLilac -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 11:53:56 AM)


That would depend on what you consider dominant? I am going to assume that you mean in the sense of an innate, overall characteristic.

I’m 29, and have been in a long term D/s relationship throughout my 20’s. Short term relationships don’t work for me, never have. I have known more mature women seeking flings. So for me, that stereo-type doesn’t apply.

I think one gains confidence with experience, and that would come with time, not necessarily age. I know my confidence within myself has strengthened with time (not that it was ever lacking), and that could be perceived by some as me being more dominant now, than say, when I was 24. But that’s due to others perceptions, I was still innately dominant when I was 24, just a bit green, and less mature. I expect I will become more self assured and time goes on.

So no, I don’t believe age equates to dominance. Think of it the other way, does one become more submissive with time?





Politesub53 -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 12:23:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blackpearl81

I'm inclined to agree with both you (Hutch) and Jill.

However, I'd also like to add this, although it just about dupilicates what you said.

Not only experience, but the ability to handle any situations that may arise, as well as deal with them in a mature and.. um... "non damaging"?? manner.

For example. Let say a situation arose, among 2 seperate Dom/mes.
One Dom/me is 41
The other is 24.

The 24 year old may handle a situation badly, and cause  (although not be the sole cause) of a relationship going dead. Whether its saying something, or doing something.

The 41 year old, may have already dealt with something like this before, and she is able to apply what she learned previously.

To paraphrase something I saw another Dom/me say when I used to frequent these boards:

"Who were they a Dom/me to? Ken & Barbie?"

Just my 2 cents.



Are we talking relationships or sessions here ?  If its sessions then i would rather chance a 24 year old with three years experience than a 41 year old with one years experience.
[;)]




SweetDommes -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 12:56:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SunNMoon

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ORIGINAL: sublove037

Thanks for all the replies. I was wondering more about the different ways older Dommes dominant vs. younger ones and would think in most cases, older Dommes would be looking more for longer lasting relationships. 


lol I'm looking for the guy I'm going to marry, I'm 24 (almost 25 yay birthday cake!) so I don't know about that. Again I think it's very personal.


That's what we are looking for as well - although we're a bit older than you (Holly will be 28 in a week, I'll be 30 in a few months).

I don't understand why everyone has to make generalizations like this - it all depends on the individual person ... just like every other damn thing that people ask about and try to over-simplify.




SweetDommes -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:03:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blackpearl81


"Who were they a Dom/me to? Ken & Barbie?"



Ok, complete sidetrack here, but ... um, yeah.

I know it's weird, but I bet I'm one of a very, very few, who at the age of 'way-to-flipping-young' (approximately 132 months - do the math, people) used to tie her dolls up ... and to each other ... and in whatever position I could get their stupid, barely-flexible bodies into.  Mostly it was my Barbie dolls ... and you'd be surprised at how flexible they can become when you start tying them up like that.  So, yeah, that's where my first bondage experience came from - and I learned some good knots during that time trying to keep them in the positions that I wanted them in *smiles innocently*




blackpearl81 -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:07:43 PM)

Good point. lol




blackpearl81 -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:14:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

quote:

ORIGINAL: blackpearl81


"Who were they a Dom/me to? Ken & Barbie?"



Ok, complete sidetrack here, but ... um, yeah.

I know it's weird, but I bet I'm one of a very, very few, who at the age of 'way-to-flipping-young' (approximately 132 months - do the math, people) used to tie her dolls up ... and to each other ... and in whatever position I could get their stupid, barely-flexible bodies into.  Mostly it was my Barbie dolls ... and you'd be surprised at how flexible they can become when you start tying them up like that.  So, yeah, that's where my first bondage experience came from - and I learned some good knots during that time trying to keep them in the positions that I wanted them in *smiles innocently*


/steps away silently.

Btw, I replied to Your email, not sure if You got it - I'm gonna have to edit my profile to include that disclaimer about the bulk mail settings.




SweetDommes -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:22:16 PM)

[sm=tongue.gif]

Yeah, I got it and replied - you got bounced by my mail filter too (you're just too darned young).




AAkasha -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:22:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: blackpearl81


I'm inclined to agree with both you (Hutch) and Jill.

However, I'd also like to add this, although it just about dupilicates what you said.

Not only experience, but the ability to handle any situations that may arise, as well as deal with them in a mature and.. um... "non damaging"?? manner.

For example. Let say a situation arose, among 2 seperate Dom/mes.
One Dom/me is 41
The other is 24.

The 24 year old may handle a situation badly, and cause  (although not be the sole cause) of a relationship going dead. Whether its saying something, or doing something.

The 41 year old, may have already dealt with something like this before, and she is able to apply what she learned previously.

To paraphrase something I saw another Dom/me say when I used to frequent these boards:

"Who were they a Dom/me to? Ken & Barbie?"

Just my 2 cents.



The more important questions to ask a femdom, regardless of her age, is why she is into what she is into and what is the path she took.  At 24 I was a far more experienced femdom than many who decide at 40 to give BDSM a try, despite the number of successful or non successful vanilla relationships, which is an entirely different ball of wax.

At 24 if a man had asked for insight into how I got to where I was, he'd realize that when you start dabbling in power exchange as a teenager (with guys your age), in the most innocent and tentative ways, and then incorporate it into every single intimate/romantic relationship for 7+ years, that's a LOT of experience.  Not so much with TOOLS, but with communication, trust, and developing an understanding of *self* -- that means needs, fulfillment, etc.  Playfully typing up and roleplaying/slapping around as a start, then growing into a relationship with a lot more challenges, limits, fears, and dealing with hurdles are all growing stages of dominance.

There are things all femdoms experience in their learning curve:

* A partner that is ambivalent/confused after the kink ends, and he clams up and won't talk about it
* A partner that says he wants something, then freaks out when it's presented to him, and then later says he does want it again and he just got cold feet. Repeat cycle 5 times.
* Her own guilt at what she did, and the need for re assurance
* Sub drop and how to deal with it
* Reading your partner's mind and prying out the fantasies
* Incorporating underlying elements of kink in daily life to keep him on his toes
* Humiliation without fucking up self esteem
* Scenes going wrong
* Medical issues and worries

I mean..the list is huge. But imagine if you had the choice between a woman who walked those experiences as she matured, consistently, for years - because it's the way she relates romantically with men.  Versus a woman who may have had a vast amount of life experience, but really never had a man *helpless* before her until she was 42, and she said "holy shit what I have got myself into" because she's never dealt with anything like that before.  It was so much simpler for me, because I was just a teenager and so was he, and our experimenting was light and slow - and it gave me many years to build the intensity while navigating the experiences that can sometimes be very confusing because there's so much raw emotion involved.

I think I was in my second or third time in a bdsm relationship where I ever felt *guilt* - tremendous guilt - and I could not figure it out.  It was a roadblock that I had to work through at the time and I had a great partner who helped me figure it out.  Another huge learning curve is with men who are confused, delicate, vulnerable, and the way they react is with anger, resentment, ambivalence - holy fucking rollercoaster!  Hates kink one day, loves it the next. I'm glad I learned to work through that when I was 21, rather than my age now just starting.

Akasha




blackpearl81 -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:28:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha


The more important questions to ask a femdom, regardless of her age, is why she is into what she is into and what is the path she took.  At 24 I was a far more experienced femdom than many who decide at 40 to give BDSM a try, despite the number of successful or non successful vanilla relationships, which is an entirely different ball of wax.

At 24 if a man had asked for insight into how I got to where I was, he'd realize that when you start dabbling in power exchange as a teenager (with guys your age), in the most innocent and tentative ways, and then incorporate it into every single intimate/romantic relationship for 7+ years, that's a LOT of experience.  Not so much with TOOLS, but with communication, trust, and developing an understanding of *self* -- that means needs, fulfillment, etc.  Playfully typing up and roleplaying/slapping around as a start, then growing into a relationship with a lot more challenges, limits, fears, and dealing with hurdles are all growing stages of dominance.

There are things all femdoms experience in their learning curve:

* A partner that is ambivalent/confused after the kink ends, and he clams up and won't talk about it
* A partner that says he wants something, then freaks out when it's presented to him, and then later says he does want it again and he just got cold feet. Repeat cycle 5 times.
* Her own guilt at what she did, and the need for re assurance
* Sub drop and how to deal with it
* Reading your partner's mind and prying out the fantasies
* Incorporating underlying elements of kink in daily life to keep him on his toes
* Humiliation without fucking up self esteem
* Scenes going wrong
* Medical issues and worries

I mean..the list is huge. But imagine if you had the choice between a woman who walked those experiences as she matured, consistently, for years - because it's the way she relates romantically with men.  Versus a woman who may have had a vast amount of life experience, but really never had a man *helpless* before her until she was 42, and she said "holy shit what I have got myself into" because she's never dealt with anything like that before.  It was so much simpler for me, because I was just a teenager and so was he, and our experimenting was light and slow - and it gave me many years to build the intensity while navigating the experiences that can sometimes be very confusing because there's so much raw emotion involved.

I think I was in my second or third time in a bdsm relationship where I ever felt *guilt* - tremendous guilt - and I could not figure it out.  It was a roadblock that I had to work through at the time and I had a great partner who helped me figure it out.  Another huge learning curve is with men who are confused, delicate, vulnerable, and the way they react is with anger, resentment, ambivalence - holy fucking rollercoaster!  Hates kink one day, loves it the next. I'm glad I learned to work through that when I was 21, rather than my age now just starting.

Akasha



I think I understand what your saying...

Its not neccesarily WHAT Her experience is, but the consistancy?

Is that fairly accurate?




AAkasha -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:33:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: blackpearl81




I think I understand what your saying...

Its not neccesarily WHAT Her experience is, but the consistancy?

Is that fairly accurate?


Probably more accurate to say the "nature" of her experience - and if she has had an opportunity to really work through what is at the foundation of power exchange: communication, trust, overcoming challenges, relating, empathy.   When you are dealing with the intensity of power exchange it requires a lot of people skills.  Just knowing how to tie someone up or talk bitchy is never going to be enough.  You have to know firsthand what kinds of emotions and challenges submissive men go through (because many THEMSELVES do not know) so you can be the right kind of partner if you want it to last.

Akasha




lateralist1 -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:42:19 PM)

Quite a few submissive men have told me that they could not submit to somone young.
Of course just like dominance, submissiveness is a state of mind and if you think a young woman can't dominate you then she probably can't.
Personality, style and confidence have a lot to do with domination.
I do believe that sometimes age can bring confidence.but then so can youth lol.
All I would say is that stereotypes are for the players.
Good relationships are built on knowledge of the other person.




DomForce -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:48:14 PM)

Dominance does not depend on age.

However, experience may have something to do with it. You may find slightly older dominants here as they have sufficient experience to be here. It goes without saying: the more experienced the dom/domme is, the more dominant he/she sounds/comes accross.




SunNMoon -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 1:55:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetDommes
(Holly will be 28 in a week, I'll be 30 in a few months).



Happy almost your birthday, Holly! [sm=banana.gif]




SweetDommes -> RE: Female Dominants (9/9/2007 2:18:43 PM)

I'll tell her [:)]




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