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Lashra -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 4:50:48 AM)

It holds no appeal for me. I bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan. I like running my own household and making the decisions. I do not want, need or desire to be June Cleaver. I know there are women who like that role and for them I hope they find what it is that they seek. But for Dominant woman such as myself I would find it boring and lacking in intellectual stimulation.

~Lashra



Grlwithboy -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 8:09:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

What i like about the 50s household is that no one had to guess about their value in the relationship.  my mother taught me this "you can never make your man come home, you can only make him want to"  How simple and lovely is this?  Women working outside the home did nothing more than to dilute the workforce so that everybody makes less money and now it pretty much takes two incomes to support a family and the kids get to be raised by strangers in day care.  How simply awful is this?

i was born in 1953.  i iron.  i don't think a floor is really clean unless i'm down there on my hands and knees.  i use cleanser in the bathroom.  i know how to bake from scratch and my bead machine is called an oven.  i actually know how to darn socks, hem with needle and thread.  i have never regretted learning how to do these things.



I was born in 1973.  I know how to make bread from scratch, it calms me. I know how to knit. I also have read Joyce and Goethe, Milton and Shakespeare, know what "Proust's Madeleine" and "Schroedingers' Cat" refer to, can do half the Times Crossword on a Sunday, and learned Latin. I give better tours of any contemporary art museum in the country than most of the docents.

I don't feel like I'm diluting anything. I don't think that makes me the hottest shit in the world, but I'm really tired of having the value of my life's interests dismissed in the face of diapers and dishes and being treated as if I am missing the only things worth doing. There's a large tent and a lot of room under it. I chose the intellectual corner for myself.

What this has to do with the 50's lifestyle I'm not sure. I still like whacking my boys and girls with a spatula and New Look skirts. Fortunately that teams up fine with Milton.




xoxi -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 10:27:20 AM)

Grlwithboy if I were a guy I would be following you like a cat behind a milk truck.

Fortunately however I'm not.  So I just think you are all awesome and stuff. [:D]



junecleaver -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 11:24:27 AM)

My name has been mentioned so many times! ;)

Despite my nick, I'm not that into a 50's household type of deal.  I'm not domestic.  I'm not asexual.  I thought of this nickname because it seemed kind of ironic and it made me giggle.

I DO like to play gender roles to an extent.  It's just not necessarily a lifestyle I'd wanted to live all the time being that wife who is helpless without her husband.



softness -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 11:31:36 AM)



quote:

i was born in 1953.  i iron.  i don't think a floor is really clean unless i'm down there on my hands and knees.  i use cleanser in the bathroom.  i know how to bake from scratch and my bead machine is called an oven.  i actually know how to darn socks, hem with needle and thread.  i have never regretted learning how to do these things.


I was born the same year and I also was taught all these things but I do not do them well at all.  I say thriow out the hole-y socks and buy a new pair!

< Message edited by catize -- 9/10/2007 4:51:10 AM >


hey .. i was born in 1983 ... these skills aren't dead  - my mother made me prove i could sew curtains/bake/decorate and fill my bottom drawer before she let me apply for university.. its just easier to go to IKEA ....(she says hand finishing a quilt ready for winter ... and no i am not being ironic ... this bugger has taken me all summer)



johnxinxscruz -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 12:01:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BDSMenigma

….50's household: what do I like about it?

If I may have in put…
It is the fantasy of that was portrayed of the 50’s family that I find appealing. The fantasy of the “female who did the homemaking”

This may sound odd, but I derive pleasure in making sure that the home is a safe and comfortable place for my spouse to come home to. Add power exchange into the life style, and I think I would have found heaven.

In all realities, I am sure the lower and middle classes did not have the “Leave it to Beaver”/”1950’s” life style. Likely then as now, the stay at home “homemaker was reserved for the wealthier people of the times.

I was not born during that era, nor do I really have any connections with people of that era, so, I can’t say what those families did or did not do.

….50's household: what don’t I like about it?

I don’t like that our society is conditioned to believe that the role is gender based, as I am a male sub, I wish it was I could be the home maker. It’s hard to find a female that can over come all the conditioning of western society, to have her spouse stay at home.

The typical believe is often a male would be considered a freeloader, if he stays at home, to be the home maker.



Who says that you can't have a 50's household and be the male who goes to work, while also being the submissive?

It wasn't the stereotype in the 50's to have a marriage run by the woman, but it wasn't impossible either. Look at the honeymooners ... not Ralph Cramden, but Ed Norton. He worked. And his wife ran their marriage. True, they depict him as a spineless and brainless idiot, but I think that's specifically because of the stereotypes of the era. The point is: 50's working male-sub can work.

There's also the 'henpecked husband' concept ... which is sometimes more about nagging than dominance, but it shows the wife exerting her command over the husband.

It's true that in the 50's household it would be an anathema to have "husband stays home to be Mr Mom"... but I don't think that the 50's household rules out a male-sub. It's just not the Mr Mom type male-sub. The question is: is your fantasy of the 50's household entirely dependent upon you being the stay-at-home?



ranrich -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 2:57:09 PM)

I think most of you are getting your ideas second hand about a 50s household from TV or movies. I was a teenager in the late 40s and early 50s and can tell you that the only difference in then and now was that most mother's did not work outside the home, there was a lot less affluence and people's lifestyles were a lot simpler. Divorces were a lot fewer, there were less labor saving devices, there was CP in schools and when you got home there was usually more punishment and many kids had jobs after school and most had summer jobs. Usually, just like today, women pretty much governed how the family was run, even though the man may have thought he was running things. Women were probably more on a pedestal than they are today but in the end the women had 75% of the money and 100% of the pussy!



Griswold -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 5:29:43 PM)

I'd be fine with a 50's style household...as long as I could still get color TV and Seinfeld reruns.



proudsub -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/10/2007 7:00:40 PM)

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  I was a teenager in the late 40s and early 50s


Hmmm ranrich....If your age in your profile is correct then you weren't a teenager until 1959, same age as me, but i agree with most of your post.[:o]



eyesopened -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 1:34:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

What i like about the 50s household is that no one had to guess about their value in the relationship.  my mother taught me this "you can never make your man come home, you can only make him want to"  How simple and lovely is this?  Women working outside the home did nothing more than to dilute the workforce so that everybody makes less money and now it pretty much takes two incomes to support a family and the kids get to be raised by strangers in day care.  How simply awful is this?

i was born in 1953.  i iron.  i don't think a floor is really clean unless i'm down there on my hands and knees.  i use cleanser in the bathroom.  i know how to bake from scratch and my bead machine is called an oven.  i actually know how to darn socks, hem with needle and thread.  i have never regretted learning how to do these things.



I was born in 1973.  I know how to make bread from scratch, it calms me. I know how to knit. I also have read Joyce and Goethe, Milton and Shakespeare, know what "Proust's Madeleine" and "Schroedingers' Cat" refer to, can do half the Times Crossword on a Sunday, and learned Latin. I give better tours of any contemporary art museum in the country than most of the docents.

I don't feel like I'm diluting anything. I don't think that makes me the hottest shit in the world, but I'm really tired of having the value of my life's interests dismissed in the face of diapers and dishes and being treated as if I am missing the only things worth doing. There's a large tent and a lot of room under it. I chose the intellectual corner for myself.

What this has to do with the 50's lifestyle I'm not sure. I still like whacking my boys and girls with a spatula and New Look skirts. Fortunately that teams up fine with Milton.




*smiles* i love your last paragraph and i agree with you!
What i didn't mention in my previous post because it is off topic is that my UMs were toddlers when i was divorced and i never remarried.  Ex didn't pay a dime in support for the first 7 years.  Yes, i brought home the bacon and fried it up in a pan and taught my children how to change the oil in their cars and how to cook and sew.  i raised a family without a male in our lives.  i did this because it was both necessary and because i am that capable and i never once ellude that women are NOT capable, strong, and valuable.  However, my believes and my opinions stand regarding what i like about the 50's household.



xoxi -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 3:39:34 AM)

rawr

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CreativeDominant -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 11:49:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

"Ward, I'm worried about the Beaver." 
June


Male chauvinist pun here...I lovvvvvvvvvvvve beavers  [&:]



ExSteelAgain -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 12:01:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

"Ward, I'm worried about the Beaver." 
June


Male chauvinist pun here...I lovvvvvvvvvvvve beavers  [&:]


How about, "Wally, where is the Beaver?"

"Gee whiz, Mom, how would I know?"



xoxi -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 12:04:15 PM)

"Ward you need to pay more attention to the Beaver."

"Sure thing honey, I'll go talk to him now."

"Hey where are you going?  That's not what I meant!"



CreativeDominant -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 12:19:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xoxi

"Ward you need to pay more attention to the Beaver."

"Sure thing honey, I'll go talk to him now."

"Hey where are you going?  That's not what I meant!"



Maybe if Ward HAD paid more attention to "THE Beaver", there would not have been such an age difference between Wally and Beaver.  [&:] 



LotusSong -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 12:42:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

"Ward, I'm worried about the Beaver." 
June


Then there was "Ward, don't you think  you're being a little hard on the Beaver"?



catize -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 6:19:27 PM)

Creative
quote:

 Male chauvinist pun here...I lovvvvvvvvvvvve beavers  [&:] 


ExSteel
quote:

  How about, "Wally, where is the Beaver?"

"Gee whiz, Mom, how would I know?"


xoxi
quote:

  "Ward you need to pay more attention to the Beaver."

"Sure thing honey, I'll go talk to him now."

"Hey where are you going?  That's not what I meant!"


Lotus
quote:

  Then there was "Ward, don't you think  you're being a little hard on the Beaver"?


Ha Ha ha ha!  All of you cracked me up!!!!



Najakcharmer -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/11/2007 8:35:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra
I bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan.


I have a great magnet on my fridge that says, "I can bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan, but somebody else better do the dishes."

Thought it was very appropriate since I hunt and slaughter my own hogs (wild hogs for meat, domestic for home cured bacon and hams).



GhitaAmati -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/12/2007 7:48:15 AM)

Wow....and I thought I was the only one who still made jello salad molds for thanksgiving dinner.....

oooh...we had a train outside the pink pig...I remember riding it.....

Damn I feel young......anyone wanna reminence about the 80's with me?



AtlantisKing111 -> RE: 50's household: what do you like/don't like about it? (9/13/2007 6:43:16 PM)

To answer the original question:

I like the 50's household attitude of expected gender roles.  For me I find a lot of fulfillment in mowing the yard, fixing the roof, protecting the property/women, taking out the trash and all those other traditional masculine things that need to be done around the house.  I also enjoy seeing a woman cooking and cleaning and doing laundry, looking to the man to make the final decision after considering her input. 

I don't like (though I assume there is less of it in today's BDSM households compared to the actual 1950's vanilla households) the racism of that era.  Having had black BDSM slaves and having dated many black women before accepting my BDSM desires, I can't do negative race-play.  Positive race play yes but not negative.  I know some are into the "plantation scene" thing and using racial slurs but that's not part of my kink.

AtlantisKing



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