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slaveMS -> CBT deep heat (9/8/2007 11:52:59 AM)

I've a question about using deep heat. Me and my mistress have recently accquired a tube of the white cream. We tried a fair amount on the head of my penis and balls, after a few seconds I was in serious pain and had to rub it off. Strangly enough I'm still very interested in this. I've tried Vix vapour rub which had similar effects but not as strong. I guess my real question is, aside from the quantity that I use, are any other products out there? Vix seemed a bit timid for what we wanted. We want it to be fairly discomfortable but not have me leave the scene for irritation skin reasons. Or am I overreacting, and there are no real sideffects other than a set time of the deep heat feeling- run out of ways to describe it. Any help about this situation in paticular or the whole deep heat CBT set would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.



SubJordanTyler -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/8/2007 2:11:28 PM)

Not really sure what the "white cream" is - but I'm guessing something like Ben Gay??  I've had Icy Hot used on me before, and that's going to be similar.  I had it put on a buttplug and then had it inserted into my rectum - and it burned like a motherfucker.  It was pretty irritating too, as it burned for a while (although not as strong) once the plug was removed.  I can't say it was very enjoyable, although it was used as punishment, so I suppose it wasn't supposed to be enjoyable.



TrinityDejavu -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/8/2007 2:14:31 PM)

Try a minty tooth paste



HeavansKeeper -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/8/2007 4:47:54 PM)

If you plan to mate, make sure you get a few loads off, and a few days pass before getting anyone pregnant.  Such sustained heat will surely cause an increase in abnormal sperm.

Do you want the feeling of a chemical burn, electrical burn, heat blast, or hot surface?



onthenosetone -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/8/2007 11:22:04 PM)

Clove oil is what she uses on me[;)] ralgex/deep heat i've become immune to, if you've not used it before i'd reccomend you thin it down with a little baby oil or similar as in it's neat form it can and does cause the skin to peel.....



BeachMystress -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/9/2007 5:49:32 AM)

First things first.. keep all of this stuff out of your urethra!

You are not over reacting. Some of the deep heat agents, such as Tiger Balm can cause blisters on tender flesh.  You will have to experiment to see how much you can stand. The clove oil is a good idea as is peppermint oil. Also try Tabasco or capsaicin- the stuff that makes a chili pepper hot. (It's the ingredient in the otc medication Zostrix.)

You can increase the "burn" by wrapping the penis/balls in an ace bandage after putting on the compound. (You can see an example of what I mean by this at http://beachmystress.femdommesociety.com/profile.php?member_id=6062&mode=photo fourth row down, fourth photo over. FYI, my photo album contains pictures of naked men in BDSM situations!) MONITOR THIS OR YOU WILL END UP WITH NASTY BLISTERS. You can also "up the burn" by applying something cold. Dripping ice water onto it can send a man into orbit!

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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper
Such sustained heat will surely cause an increase in abnormal sperm.
  I am  not sure why you'd think this, as we're talking about things that work on nerve endings. While real heat can affect sperm production, this is NOT real heat. http://www.technologyreview.com/Biotech/17342/



petdave -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/9/2007 10:44:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress
You are not over reacting. Some of the deep heat agents, such as Tiger Balm can cause blisters on tender flesh. 


Interesting. i know that essential oils can do that, but i would have assumed that any kind of sports liniment would be fairly safe from causing injury since they're meant to be put on the skin.

There are several different active ingredients in heat rubs, and they are often used in different concentration from one company to the next, or even within a brand (for example, you'll see a regular and a Maximum Strength). It seems to be one of those things that people have wildly different reactions to, so your best bet may be to experiment, starting with the lowest concentrations you can find.

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You can increase the "burn" by wrapping the penis/balls in an ace bandage after putting on the compound.


i can't believe You left that out of the caption! Very nice [:)]



DomForce -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/9/2007 1:55:43 PM)

I often use "Deep Heat" spray, but only a tiny little amount, then see the results. My experience shows that the cream gets way too hot and unbearable for the subs. Start with spraying a little, wait and you can always apply a little more.



SunnyTawse -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/9/2007 2:25:50 PM)

Irritants will vary person to person--we all have different body chemistries--so if you try some of the different suggestions people have offered here, you may find what works best for you.

I like ginger for a few reasons. It's a natural substance, for one, and I love the way it smells. I've only done figging with it and used it as a vaginal irritant, but I've seen demos with it as a urethral stimulant. Following the advice of a well-known local Dominant who has offered several of these demos, I have tried to stick with the natural substances as opposed to the chemical ones--Icy Hot, Bengay, etc.--especially internally, which is really where all the fun is, imo.

If you want to use ginger, google Figging: The Art of Ginger Root Play... (Thank you,  Cruelletouch!! You've given me many happy moments of kinky pleasure.)
 
For urethral insertion, carve the skinniest toothpick shape you can, which is difficult because ginger root is rather fibrous. Leave a T shape on one end so that you don't need some ER nurse to pull it out for you. Ginger will burn to different degrees depending on the ginger itself and again, the person. But when I've used it, it's never burned more than 20 minutes or so, which can be reassuring information if you don't care for it.

I've found you can counteract any sort of irritant stimulus with milk products. Cassein, the protein in milk, fits nicely into the same nerve receptors that report 'burn' to the brain and help calm the sensation. Some say--and I'd have to agree, although chemically it doesn't make much sense--that higher fat content is helpful as well. Perhaps the fat helps the milk product to stick to the skin better. I like ice cream because it's cold, which helps cool the burn feeling as well. But take into consideration that I've never done any cbt with it.

Sunny Tawse
Archon of Rings
http://AthenorLodge.com



ricar00 -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/9/2007 2:38:25 PM)

i have had Icy Hot a lot on my balls and penis. But one Mistress used to love putting ginger on a string and inserting it into my urethea.  Worst when i had a humbler on at the same time, then she used a TENS unit.  Such is life for a masochist.  LOL
richie



LaMistressa -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/9/2007 2:57:43 PM)

I like Ben Gay gel as it dissipates fairly quickly. Ginger is also great for figging. You can also increase the sensation by using breath, ice, or waving a fan over the genitals after applying the Ben Gay. 



flipr -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/22/2007 10:24:59 PM)

While in play this week, BenGay was used on my balls and cock. It burned so very badly Mistress wahed it off immediatley. I for one do not recommend it



canupleaseme -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/23/2007 4:36:51 AM)

Deep heat is excellent.  I make my boy use it during his daily ritual if he has been naughty.  Definatley steer clear of the urethra but I cover him in it and although the first few minutes are quite intense it does wear off though thats when i tend to make him wank as it seems to heat up again.  I particualy love restraining him on all fours with deep het on his cock and round his arsehole then tesing which ever bit takes my fancy [:D] 



Aimtoplease101 -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/23/2007 1:55:54 PM)

You can get the "right amount" of burn by mixing IcyHot or BenGay with a normal lube. Experiment until you find the right level for your own tolerance.

Regards, B



Petronius -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/23/2007 5:27:15 PM)


Tourist with their map and guidebook out walks up to a New Yorker and asks "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?" New Yorker responds, without missing a step "Practice. Practice. Practice.:

You've already experienced nature's way of telling you that you haven't practiced enough.

I suggest that you practice along these lines:

1) Always start with too little since you can always add more;

2) Start with diluted versions of the hot substance;

3) Start with small amounts of the hot substance;

4) Gain experience on less vulnerable areas of the body.

I'm just setting up an experiment using Chinese hot oil (as in Sichuan cooking) with a submissive. I'm going to start with a 20-1 cut (20 drops of neutral oil to one drop of hot oil.) If that's OK, and I'm sure it will be, I'll had another drop of hot oil, making it a 10-1 cut, and then another two drops for 5-1.

Our experiments aren't going to be play in themselves; they're preparation for play.



LaMistressa -> RE: CBT deep heat (9/23/2007 5:34:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: flipr

While in play this week, BenGay was used on my balls and cock. It burned so very badly Mistress wahed it off immediatley. I for one do not recommend it


Did you use the gel? Because it can be diluted with water (vs. the cream formula), which is why I recommend it. But yes, different products affect people differently.



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