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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/9/2007 5:43:58 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Who ever asked MY consent for driving in an SUV?  Or worse, those goddamned pick-up trucks.  People will get upset by all kinds of peculiar and arbitrary things.  You don't seem to be grasping that point.

Look, I agree that slapping someone in public isn't a good idea, but it's because that's likely to get you arrested, not because it might irritate other people.  Other people don't give a fuck about you, and certainly have not earned the right to compel you to moderate your behavior to their standards.  If it happened to offend other people for you to speak your mind publicly, would you agree that you'd have to keep your mouth shut just because other people didn't "consent" to hear your unpopular opinions?  One of the consequences of living in a free society is that you have to tolerate other people who are different from you.  That goes for the vanillas as much as it goes for us.

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

yes we as kinksters should respect the nilla public not force them to watch us at place ...did we ask them consent first before beating the crap out of someone for humiliation? no, we did not. what might be considered play to us will be viewed as abuse. like it or not - we have a duty and responsibility to adhere while playing in public.


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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 5:05:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I going to add another vote to the "you need to find out more from her" crowd.  Humiliation is a very difficult area and is really touching some very primal emotions.  You are basically dancing around seriously hurting a person's feelings - of course that is the appeal, isn't it?  When my slave an I first started with humiliation, we ran into all kinds of issues that were totally unexpected.  Simple things like calling her "slut" made her hot, but calling her "whore" deeply hurt her feelings.  Finding out more won't prevent you from stepping over the line, but at least you'll have a much better idea of where that line might be lurking.

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 6:01:22 AM   
ExquisiteFeline


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Status: offline 		The names work for me. Master calls me, "dirty whore", "greasy slut", and "greedy bitch"...that can really get me going in the heat. He also buys me the most disgusting frumpy, flowery dresses from 2nds shops, although he hasn't made me wear them in public yet, just likes to sit and drink his tea while he laughs hysterically at me. He picks at my house keeping even when clean, and is always two hours late if i try to arrange a time to meet, so i am left where ever i am looking like a slut. Theres more but i will keep them to myself.
He only face slaps me when i try to be a ventriloquist and squeeze his cheeks together so his lips look like a bird and i make rooster noises... funny i cant seem to get away with even trying that one now...

i think the most humiliating thing for a girl is the dress thing, instead of making her dress like a slut, make her dress like your grandma, or worst still flowery 3/4 length leggings, slippers and your worst t shirt, no make-up and she isnt allowed to style her hair or shave her legs for a month, then make her go to the elite suburbs and buy Y fronts. Make her ring her girlfriends before she knows what is going on, to meet her for lunch, at a trendy city cafe, i would find that very humiliating anyway.

Edit- Sorry for responding, i am not a Master, *bows head and runs out of the room* not raising above my post, just chatty...

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 6:11:50 AM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		I love face slapping.  I'd never do it in public.

What I have done, though, is grip her by the chin, and growl what a nastly slut she is to her (in a lower tone of voice.)  It's not something that'll land you in jail, but damn does it bring a red tinge to the cheeks.

In this vein, having her walk a pace or two behind you.... and walk fast.  Have her carrying all of the bags while you do this.  Make her work to keep up.  When you finally get to where you're going, stop at the door.  She'll totter there, arms laden with bags confused... until you state flatly "Well, the door isn't going to open itself!" 

At a resturant for dinner, when the waiter comes, order a nice meal for yourself, with a glass of wine (or what not.)  Then clearly state "and the lady will have a small side salad and a glass of water."  (Do remember to feed her something when you get home.)

Bear in mind, these are just suggestions; I'd say use them sparingly, and only when you know the person in question can appreciate the context.

Stephan


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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 8:18:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

What I have done, though, is grip her by the chin, and growl what a nastly slut she is to her (in a lower tone of voice.)  It's not something that'll land you in jail, but damn does it bring a red tinge to the cheeks.



add a possessive pronoun to that and it makes it just fucking hot and i would gush...


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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 3:50:32 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		Which reminds me...

Orgasming on command in public is another nice humiliation tactic. 

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 4:39:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		take her out to eat and ask for an empty plate for her(most food service staff figure you're going to share a meal); when the food comes, pop open a can of alpo dog food, pour onto her plate and make her eat it, and using no silverware to boot...

if she barfs it, make her eat that as well; i wonder if she'll think that's humiliating or degrading; hmmmmmmmm.

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 5:01:29 PM   
feastie


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Status: offline 		Humiliation doesn't have to be public to be effective.    In fact, the OP states he is thinking of the public humiliation, he didn't say girl in question was, just that she's into humiliation.

One thing that seems effective for lots of people is placing a disposable, aluminum turkey roasting pan in the middle of the livingroom and making her squat over it to urinate.  Then, naturally, she gets to clean up any mess and empty it.  She's only allowed to use the pan in the middle of the livingroom.  Make sure she consumes plenty of liquids.   

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 5:22:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		next time she's on her period, don't let her use any tampons or pads, then send her to the store, during dinner rush time, to purchase said items, while all the while knowing she's visibly staining her clothing.

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 7:23:07 PM   
ExquisiteFeline


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

Which reminds me...

Orgasming on command in public is another nice humiliation tactic.

Stephan



Is that while you still have hold of her chin, and a deep growly voice?
ohh Stephann, fuk you are hot!

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 8:27:12 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		That's the easiest way to do it, sure.

Having her standing at the checkout lane, and just coming up behind her, placing your hands firmly on her shoulders or hips, and whispering "Cum for me" in her ear is another way to do it. 

As an aside, for the female dominants to do to a male submissive, I can only imagine the double humiliation he has of possibly having his..erm.. enjoyment made visible through his jeans/khakis would be double humiliation.

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/10/2007 10:58:00 PM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		why does he have to make us kittens all squishy?

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/11/2007 7:46:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bound2Dominate


I was thinking of some 'public' humiliatioin... she enjoy's face slapping... so was gonna give her a few in public...for starters..just gently...across the face... making sure 'other's are watching'...
The general public did not consent to be a part of your scene. Beyond the that I think it's amazingly rude to play in general public, in some cases, it can earn you a nice trip to the local jail.

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/11/2007 11:26:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

UMs are going to see much more ugliness in the world than two lovers expressing their love in an unconventional fashion.



That statement just floors me. It is true that UMs may see some frightening and violent things in real life. But those hopefully will be rare, and accidental. To justify a deliberate display of slapping, when people seeing it have no idea that the woman wishes this, rather than that she is just being assaulted, by saying "well, you'll see a lot worse than this, so get used to it", is callous.

Also, the last thing kids would think in seeing one person slapping another, is that "love" is being expressed. Even the majority of adults would have trouble believing this. Without knowing and understanding the dynamics of the ones involved, all the kids would remember is a frightening and confusing assault.

How would you suggest parents explain it? "Why did that man hit that woman, Mommy?" "Well, honey, he must be a bad man who has no control of his temper". Not pretty, hmm? Or, how about "Well, maybe she likes it, and was asking for it, honey." Huh??? Nice way to propogate the myth that victims of abuse deserve it and ask for it.

The most likely exchange, if it happened in front of me and my kids would be "Why did that man hit that woman right before Daddy punched him, Mommy?" "Well, honey, I don't know. I think he must have been crazy or something. Probably the police will find out when he wakes up."


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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/11/2007 4:56:01 PM   
Bound2Dominate


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Status: offline 		Thank you one and all !! suggestion, advice, ideas, and flames all gladly received!. that was the point of this discussion, question, but some are right, in that ''you have to find out more as to what's humilating to her'.. I totally agree!. but this slavegirl doesnt' speak English too well and is rather shy in voicing her fantaises.. only that she ''needs this'' or she needs that from her Master/Dom''... Thank you for sharing your views everyone!!. I appreciate your 2 cents worth guys and gals !!

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/12/2007 10:17:26 AM   
SirCache


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Status: offline 		Physical actions may be difficult to pull off, especially since other people might consider it assault and call the police.  Verbal humiliation can often be effective so long as it isn't an endless stream of the same curse words we all heard back in 3'rd grade. 

You might want to consider public subjugation as an acceptable alternative?  Have her serve you as if she was your maid, addressing you properly while in public, referring to her in almost contemptuous terms, call her 'girl' rather than dignify her with a name... I uhm... I rather enjoy that aspect of things from time to time, admittedly.  And a friend of mine most certainly adores it.

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RE: Help experienced Masters !!! - 9/12/2007 12:34:27 PM   
lilsissybabyabby


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Status: offline 		I would need more information on what she thinks is humiliating. It can very from person to person.
In private, I use orgasm control, and puppy play. Leading her around on all fours, naked but for a collar, and led by you on a leash or having to follow your commands. Sit! Stay! Heel! Beg! Beg can be a good one.
In public, I will follow suit with everyone else in telling you to be careful. I recommend having her call you by a formal name, for example Mr. so and so in place of Master or Sir, when in public. Or having to ask your permission to buy something, a more mild "nilla" version of begging. Or having you order her food while at a restraunt. You could also call her little girl or young lady, if she is not behaving.
But different people consider different things humiliating.
Good Luck.

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