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victorian play - 9/9/2007 2:42:08 PM   
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As I am quite sure thier will be a few stank comments and chuckles... out of curiousity.... what excatly is the Victorian aspect of the scene include? Besides corsets and manners?  Thanks for your responses xoxox glassdoll
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RE: victorian play - 9/9/2007 3:08:25 PM   
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It's alot to be covered.
D/s wise the relationship between the Master of the House and the servents is fertile ground.
Sex wise you have to pretty much leave the marriage bed to find anything fun.
(Proper wives for the most part had sex for procreation)
However brothels were quite popular as were the "Fantasies of deflowering a young virgin" Often made real at brothels where underaged prostitution was not uncommon.
The practice of Birching ( a form of caning was at it's height) the Taws and school disciplineing also in it's hayday during that period of history.
Written porn was available and a small sampling of picture porn.




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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 3:06:42 AM   
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Thanks for the insight. xoxox glassdoll.

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 5:55:03 AM   
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I had always considered "Victorian play" a contradiction in terms, unless it was of the variety "OK, now I'll be Sir Richard Burton the great Victorian anthropologist and explorer and you be the Arab slave girl ...."

But that doesn't really capture the essence of Victorianism, does it?

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 5:57:57 AM   
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I don't know if its technically Victorian or not, but I've always like those handlebar mustaches. So I could get into it for that reason alone.

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 6:00:25 AM   
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I never heard of it........lol

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 8:41:55 AM   
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well this was after the Victorian era, in the Edwardian times...but PBS had this living histoy special called Manor House that was quite interesting and at this link you can find the rules for the Upstairs people - the Master and Mistress and children and "higher class" or better mannered/less obtrusive? servants and the Downstairs people - the "lower class" or more bawdy servants and also the children were allowed to roam down there...
http://www.pbs.org/manorhouse/edwardianlife/index.html

not sure if this is what you are looking for, but its an interesting look into a structured way of times past....

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 1:00:00 PM   
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It's a start. Thank you.

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 1:02:40 PM   
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Oh, dear god, those creepy pre hilter era mustaches? That image is going to have me  maimed in my sleep.

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 6:25:02 PM   
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I don't know if its technically Victorian or not, but I've always like those handlebar mustaches. So I could get into it for that reason alone.


Being rather ignorant of Victorian play, I'm not sure how that would work.

Does the male Dom sort of put the tip of his mustache against the sub's clit and sing "God Save the Queen" to vibrate her off? Or does the female Domme use a string to tie the ends of the mustache to the guy's balls and then make him sneeze with a pinch of Old England Best Quality Snuff?*

* Assuming that snuff is not a hard limit.







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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 9:03:10 PM   
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Upstairs, Downstairs is much better than Manor House in presenting a well-rounded view of Eduardian times.  You can rent all five seasons from Netflix.
 
As for Victorian "play"... it's all about position (no, not those "slave positions") and service.  It's more lifestyle than play style, and to describe it would take hours that I don't have at the moment.

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 9:27:46 PM   
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I'd never heard of this before coming to this site so the links will definitely be interesting to check out.

(edited because my spelling this time of nite stinks!)

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RE: victorian play - 9/10/2007 10:19:40 PM   
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Sir Stephen and slave catherine, a couple well known in the Master/slave community, run a Victorian houshold. Here's their website...and slave catherine answers emails as she can.

http://www.restraining-order.com/

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RE: victorian play - 9/11/2007 5:51:39 AM   
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Yeah I think both those suggestions work, but only if one of the people is wearing a bowler hat. Otherwise it wouldn't do anything for me.


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RE: victorian play - 9/11/2007 6:50:19 AM   
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I suppose Victorian play is as much an historical appreciation as anything.

Women tended to wear black. After all, Queen Victoria was in perpetual mourning for her husband who died young. Attitudes towards sexuality were so restrained that women would become hysterical, would faint, would be "indisposed" and would pretend illness to cover any pretense to desire. Womens fashions were all about controlling the physical form. Corsetry was in a heyday and the way one demonstrated one's wealth was to create fashions that used more and more of rare material.

In pretty much any country, only men had rights to own property. Women had no voice in politics as they didn't vote. Men were expected to run things. Industrialization was at its height. This was the age of building bigger and new ways were found to keep bigger things standing.

Men were expected to satisfy themselves with prostitutes, as sexual urges were to be kept away from their bedchamber. People drank a lot more then than they do now but our understanding of clean water was limited to clarification. Beer was considered better for you, as it didn't get you sick like water could. We didn't know that the process of boiling the water to make beer (or tea or coffee) caused it to be sanitized.

Manners were primary. A woman could not talk to anyone of the opposite gender to whom she had not been properly introduced. So brothers, cousins and husbands were employed to allow them to widen their social circle. Many upper-class marriages were arranged. While dalliances (male, of course) with "the help" were to be expected (we're all sinners, you know) on occasion, women of good breeding were kept on a pedestal of frustration. Small wonder the vibrator (as a medical treatment to be administered only under a doctor's supervision) and psychoanalysis got their start in this era.

Were I a dominant man and interested in orgasm control of a submissive woman, I'd take a great deal of interest in this type of play. Women were certainly so sexually-frustrated in this era it's a wonder there weren't riots in the streets (oh, that's right -- women of good breeding didn't do these kinds of things).

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RE: victorian play - 9/11/2007 12:41:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Petronius

quote:

ORIGINAL: chicagochick

I don't know if its technically Victorian or not, but I've always like those handlebar mustaches. So I could get into it for that reason alone.


Being rather ignorant of Victorian play, I'm not sure how that would work.

Does the male Dom sort of put the tip of his mustache against the sub's clit and sing "God Save the Queen" to vibrate her off? Or does the female Domme use a string to tie the ends of the mustache to the guy's balls and then make him sneeze with a pinch of Old England Best Quality Snuff?*

* Assuming that snuff is not a hard limit.








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RE: victorian play - 9/11/2007 12:45:49 PM   
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Small wonder the vibrator (as a medical treatment to be administered only under a doctor's supervision)


No way! How did they operate? Or was it more of a dildo apparatus?


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RE: victorian play - 9/11/2007 1:00:40 PM   
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No way! How did they operate? Or was it more of a dildo apparatus?



It's very much the truth. It worked about the same as a vib of today, and it was very much of a vibrator not a dildo. It was thought that manual stimulation of the clit would reduce hystrics in women. They didn't realize what they were causing was an orgasm. This service was performed by doctors, who invented the vibrator to save themselves time. For years the vibrator was marketed as a way to "keep yourself looking fresh".

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RE: victorian play - 9/11/2007 1:21:53 PM   
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No way! How did they operate? Or was it more of a dildo apparatus?



It's very much the truth. It worked about the same as a vib of today, and it was very much of a vibrator not a dildo. It was thought that manual stimulation of the clit would reduce hystrics in women. They didn't realize what they were causing was an orgasm. This service was performed by doctors, who invented the vibrator to save themselves time. For years the vibrator was marketed as a way to "keep yourself looking fresh".


Did it run on batteries? I mean ?  And sex does reduce hysterics. But... I mean a doctor... masturbating you to ease mental pain? And this was the time when all methods and information about birth control was banned....

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RE: victorian play - 9/11/2007 2:30:49 PM   
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Actually, it's more like modern birth control methods & such were unknown, or very basic (rhythm method, etc).

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