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Valhalla69 -> punishment (7/15/2005 6:21:09 AM)

Hi all,i have been trying to think of non physical punishments and i thought of one which i think is quite harsh,well it is to me as a Dom,i would hate it and i was wondering what you thought.

I would make my sub kneel on the floor,tie/handcuff her hands behind her back,then i would blind fold her and place some industrial ear protectors over her ears(those big yellow ones)

This would take away 3 senses,touch sight and hearing and i would leave her there until i saw fit.

I would appreciate any views on this punishment as i can only go bywhat i think and i would hate it,but i am a Dom,hence the reason for posting this on the ask a sub/switch forum.

so,what do you think?



littleone35 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 6:26:00 AM)

That does sound rather harsh but you did not tell us what the infraction was to deserve this punishment. But when my late Master was alive the worst punishment for me was being ignored that was worse than anything physical he could put me through.

littleone



Valhalla69 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 6:32:37 AM)

There wasnt an infraction,i just think a lot and i like to try most things and that sounded like a good punishment as it would give the sub time to think about what they did with no disstractions as all they would have to do is think if they couldnt touch hear or see.

On a totally seperate note,i bought a battery powered electric fly zapper,its shaped like a tennis racket with a wire mesh across it and i tried it on myself and it hurts but also it gives a loud crack noise and a blue spark.

So if you cant afford the real thing get yourself one of these,this cost £2+batteries so mega cheap [:D]



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 6:36:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Valhalla69

Hi all,i have been trying to think of non physical punishments and i thought of one which i think is quite harsh,well it is to me as a Dom,i would hate it and i was wondering what you thought.

I would make my sub kneel on the floor,tie/handcuff her hands behind her back,then i would blind fold her and place some industrial ear protectors over her ears(those big yellow ones)

This would take away 3 senses,touch sight and hearing and i would leave her there until i saw fit.

I would appreciate any views on this punishment as i can only go bywhat i think and i would hate it,but i am a Dom,hence the reason for posting this on the ask a sub/switch forum.

so,what do you think?

Well it's physical- you're directly manipulating them physically and having them endure a physical situation.

The kneeling would get tiring for me as I can't do it long, not so limber, not so thin.

The other stuff? HEAVEN!

The first thing people do when they get sensory deprivation? They fall asleep.

I'm into hard bondage and I'm into sensory dep, so getting put into that situation would put me right into a happy headspace.

Now, if I knew I was getting it AS A PUNISHMENT, then I wouldn't enjoy it really, but that's the case no matter WHAT You do, if it's a punishment, it's not good.

My real question is, what's the point? What will having her sit there sensory deprived teach her? Unless it's a lesson about being quiet, being attentive, being still or being patient, I don't see the point. Punishment should be directly related to what behavior you are trying to modify.



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 6:37:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Valhalla69

On a totally seperate note,i bought a battery powered electric fly zapper,its shaped like a tennis racket with a wire mesh across it and i tried it on myself and it hurts but also it gives a loud crack noise and a blue spark.

So if you cant afford the real thing get yourself one of these,this cost £2+batteries so mega cheap [:D]

They are all over the net and at any bdsm convention, three zaps on one of my nipples has me bawling, even most masochists hate them with a passion.



siamsa24 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 6:43:53 AM)

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On a totally seperate note,i bought a battery powered electric fly zapper,its shaped like a tennis racket with a wire mesh across it and i tried it on myself and it hurts but also it gives a loud crack noise and a blue spark.


OMG, we sell these at the drug store that I work at and a war has broken out. Photo techs vs Cosmeticians. Everyone running around (on the slow nights) zapping each other. I can tell you first hand, it sucks to get hit, you feel like you are going to die



kisshou -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 6:46:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Valhalla69

There wasnt an infraction,i just think a lot and i like to try most things and that sounded like a good punishment as it would give the sub time to think about what they did with no disstractions as all they would have to do is think if they couldnt touch hear or see.



It would all depend on your tone. If while doing the handcuffing and blindfolding you stated your displeasure and the reason behind it, then commanded the slave to think about what they did. Then it could be effective as a form of punishment. It sounds like a more elaborate version of 'go stand in the corner with your nose pressed to the wall'.

btw(what they did is the infraction)

also: I feel this crosses the line from non physical to physical (handcuffing, blindfolding and being forced into a kneeling position)

I would consider a non physical punishment to be writing an essay.



pandoravampire -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 7:50:51 AM)

Im with emerald on this, the kneeling is too painful for me, so that would cause physical pain and DAMAGE, so thus, not a punishment acceptable in the safe sane consentual bracket for me.

Sensory deprivation: that sends me to a lovely place. Though i disagree that if it were a punishment, i wouldnt enjoy it, i simply would enjoy that anytime. Even if it were only the peace within which to reflect upon my behaviour, id still enjoy it.

The fly zapper is a physical punishment. Remember, nowhere above the heart though!

Im sure i speak for most subs/slaves when i say, that the VERY worst punishment, is a mental one, when you know you have displeased your Dom. That's not a nice place to be. Allowing/Making your submissive remain in the 'failed as a sub/slave' space, is the place to punish from within. Once you have them in that space, keep them there, until you've decided what to do. This will allow you some time to cool off, think clearly etc.
A discussion from my Dom, regarding what it is i did, when he asks me to describe what ive done wrong, me to describe why this is wrong, me to describe what the consequences of this are, has me very contrite, he then chooses the punishment, if there is to be futher punishment, but so far, the talking to, is sufficient to motivate me to change.

My love for him, my wish to please him is what motivates me to change, not a punishment.

Im a cognitive behavioural therapist, and just as a aside for your information:
Physical punishment is a very ineffectual learning method that uses operant conditioning. For it to be effective, the punishment needs to occur almost simultaneously with the undesired behaviour for it to work. It has a high extinction rate, that is, works maybe once or twice, then becomes increasingly less effective with each repeated event.

In the kinky world of a D/s dynamic, as there are one or two of us, who rather like a little pain dished out by our Dom/me's physical punishment is off to a downward spiral it seems, which ever way you view it.

Id stick to the head stuff, much more fun and effective.
good luck




pandoravampire -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 7:52:57 AM)

By the way, ty for the tip on the fly zapper. I didnt know that.

Also, on the pervertable household gadgets: those battery operated milk frothers you put in your mug. On a nipple, they are delicious and only $5! Dont you just hate the bdsm dollar sometimes!



dommemagnet -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 8:16:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pandoravampire


The fly zapper is a physical punishment. Remember, nowhere above the heart though!



Careful with the fly zapper or any other electrical toy (i personally like the ones i've tried). They all caution about using electricity above "the waste".



LaMspeach -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 8:30:58 AM)

What works for some doesnt always work for others. So i would first find out what works for you and your sub/slave.

Most sub i know hate to displease, so just telling most sub/slave they have displeased sometimes is punishment in it's self . The physical punishment allows them to stop beating thier self up and move past the infraction.

As someone else said the punishment should fit the crime.

Just my two cents.



plantlady64 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 8:51:25 AM)

Hello There,
My Master has one of those fly zappers too. You should have seen the evil grin on his face the day he boguht it and showed it to me.
Depending on the infraction some totally non-erotic punishments can be chores you need to have done. Have her vacuum out your car, scrub the floor with a toohbrush, wash the baseboards, clean the windows, mow the lawn and things like that. I think house chores are so not erotic in any way it's more of a punishment than something that can be kinky and fun.

Another thing that would be a good humiliating punishment would be to have to tell some of your lifestyle friends what she's done to deserve your displeasure & what she'll do to be sure to not let it happen again. It's very embarrasing to have to tell someone else about things you've done that displease your Master.
So far I haven't had to do any of these things for my Master, but my kids have had to do these chores or tell eachother what they've done that was wrong and how they intend to fix it so it doesn't happen again. My kids are now 21&17 and they still talk to their friends about how severe these punishments were for them and how much they hated them.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 9:00:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: plantlady64
Another thing that would be a good humiliating punishment would be to have to tell some of your lifestyle friends what she's done to deserve your displeasure & what she'll do to be sure to not let it happen again. It's very embarrasing to have to tell someone else about things you've done that displease your Master. sub suzanne

Just be sure they WANT to hear it, most people are very uncomfortable being included in something like that and I don't see much benefit unless the sub is being punished for something she did wrong to those people specifically.



stormsfate -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 9:26:35 AM)

This sort of punishment would not be harsh for me. I have a tendency to focus inward during sensory deprivation and/or confinement. It just doesn't bother me....I just go away to my own little world (which some would say I live in all the time anyway...hehehe).



best regards,
fate



Davesgirl -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 9:58:58 AM)

Have never dealt with this sort of punishment, but I do have to chime in with the others. Last night, for isntance, I did something to embarras Master when we were in bed. (And no, Im not telling! I feel bad enough just him knowing [:(] ) All he ahd to do is say that I ahd embarrassed him, and I cried myself to sleep. For the simple fact taht I had displeased him....Sometimes it jsut takes a look, or a word, and those are always the worst rather than when he yells at me.



Vancouver_cinful -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 11:16:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaMspeach

What works for some doesnt always work for others. So i would first find out what works for you and your sub/slave.


This is the place to start for non-physical consequences. For me, having to do foot worship ie. sucking on his toes, licking his feet (clean, of course) is something that could be used. I have a real thing about touching feet. Yuck!! (But others love it!)

Taking away certian things/priveledges. Not being allowed to do oral worship for a set number of days, having to miss a munch or a play party...anything like that.

Personally I'm a believe in discipline and consequences and not punishment, so the first step is to fit the consequence to the infraction, and try to make it a learning thing.

For example if I failed to keep my promise about a certian household chore then a good consequence might be to have to do that chore asap, and then follow it by having to take everything out of the closet, clean and re-organize the closet...See the connection?

Essays can be good as well.

Cin



fastlane -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 1:06:24 PM)

To ignore is the worst punnishment there is, in my opinion. I was lucky, because as a child I was adopted and my parents reminded me of it every day of just how special I was by saying "just remember, we adopted you?"
Now, that I think of it.....that wasn't a nice thing to say after all.
I'm running out to get the electric fly swatter....I'll show em who is boss now!



plantlady64 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 1:47:54 PM)

In response to fastlane


Hello There,

Oh My Gosh,
LOLROTF which means laughing out loud rolling on the floor.

I'd love to see you show up at vanilla parents house and watch what would transpire if you tried to use the fly swatter on them! Just the thought of it cracks me up for sure!

I also have to say to hold over your head they adopted you sucks! They deserve to be bound and then spanked. One lick for each time they said such a mean thing.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne



poesraven8 -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 3:11:53 PM)


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But when my late Master was alive the worst punishment for me was being ignored that was worse than anything physical he could put me through.


That is a little like a time out, and they usually work quite well. I guess boredom is the worst non corporal punishment of all. Ask anyone with an office job.



fastlane -> RE: punishment (7/15/2005 4:42:49 PM)

Well Suzanne, if your lolrotf...I guess your not tied and gagged...I'm sorry?
[;)]



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