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WannaBe13 -> BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 8:24:29 PM)
I usually don't care if my Dom leaves marks on me as long as I can hide them from the public. My last Mistress wanted me to get "SISSY SLUT" tattooed on my ass. I told her no way,she was also gonna get my nipples pierced. Are these common demands or am I just crazy for saying no. I don't mind a good spanking or caning, even if it gets me to the point of tears. I just can't see getting tattooed as part of this. Maybe one day I will be confident in who I am and for the right Mistress I will maybe do this but its really gotta be the right person.

MistressLikeToys -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 8:33:01 PM)
Permanant marks are alot different from the type that heal up and go away. It is something that should be decided on before hand in the relationship. If you told her no permanant marks then she should respect that. Everyone is different and every relationship is different, so its really a to each his own thing. But, when it comes down to it and you are no longer under her thumb it is your body and you have to live with it. I, personally, do not think you crazy for saying no at this point. Especially if you know she is not your forever love. Makes sense to me. Forgive my spelling and typing, its late and my pill hasnt kicked in yet lol.

whiteslavebitch -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 8:41:31 PM)
No, You're not crazy for saying no. A lot depends on the level of commitment you and she have. I got my nipples pierced at Master's request, but like I've said previously, I had also wanted to do it for some time. He recently jokingly (I think) talked about me getting "slave" tattooed on me. I have never, ever in my life desired a tattoo, but for him, I would willingly do it. He has also in the past joked about shaving my head, I might not like that one, but I would do it. He is happy knowing he can get me to do those things if he desired to.

iammachine -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 9:15:13 PM)
Some people are into body mods, some aren't. If you're into 'em, that can be a very powerful ritual, some permanent fixture that reminds you of a time period in your life, or the bond you have with that person. If you're not into it, or feel that that kind of "marking" isn't appropriate for that relationship, then that's hunky dorey too. Diff strokes, diff folks. You're entirely right to assert your limits. Your ideas just weren't compatible.

Damocles809 -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 10:09:07 PM)
If she makes a big deal out of it, then there's a pretty big chance she'd lose interest in you as soon as you get the tattoo. Same way a lot of guys lose interest in a girl after they fuck her once. If she sees the ass tattoo as the ultimate, most extreme, mt everest of devotion...then where do you go after that? After that she might very well get bored of you.

RumpusParable -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 10:57:18 PM)
As iammachine stated, it's a matter of personal preference. If that's not your preference, it's not your preference.

Absolom -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 11:05:13 PM)
I think it depends on the relationship of dom/sub. I would never tell my slave to pierce their body, but slave on the other hand? I toyed with the idea.. then there are some other marks, not worth noting that I also disagree with the master/slave relationships. However, my past slave did not want to tatoo her body, so I respected that

kwgeek -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 11:05:34 PM)
I feel that tattoo's are more permanant then the nipples piercing, because with nipples piercings you can remove the studs latter, and the holes will heal over, or so I think, not sure if they will or won't

Celeste43 -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/14/2007 11:32:22 PM)
Tell her you'll do it if she puts in escrow the $6,000 needed to get the tattoo removed once your relationship is over. Body modifications are permanent and you'll be the one footing the bill when left with reminders of a relationship gone bad. Myself, I don't do body modifications, at all. Most Jews don't since they were done to our relatives in the concentration camps.

chellekitty -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 3:11:55 AM)
ok curbing my nit picking...and assuming by body modifications you mean tattooing, and other on purpose scarifications...not all Jews are stuck on what happend to their "relatives in concentration camps" just like not all black americans are stuck on what happend to their "relatives when white people owned slaves"...in fact i have never heard a Jew ever refer to anything about their "relatives in concentration camps" or black americans and "relatives when white people owned slaves" for that matter.... i don't think anyone should get a permanent marking for anyone else, but thats just my stance on things...if you want to label yourself "Sissy slave" and your owner thinks thats great...go for it...cause you're the one that has to live with it, should, God forbid, they get run over by a bus tomorrow...same thing with any thing else that could be described as a label (other's names are included in this...as in basically property of), with the exception of "Mom" or her name and your children's names....there is a point in your life when "Bad Ass" just isn't going to look so cool printed across your forearm...probably when its stretched in big wrinkly letters 3 times its original size... piercings are a little different....they heal over and aren't necessarily assumed to be done for someone else...but its a lot of pain if you don't want to do this for the other person... basically...if its a red flag and they are insisting...find the door... chelle

kikinymph -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 5:40:34 AM)
Body modification is a pretty big step. It should NEVER be done on a whim. I don't care if it's as simple as an ear piercing, or as complicated as a detailed brand. If you are gonna have pain on that level, I'd suggest you have something to show for it down the road. A stable loving relationship, or should the relationship end for some reason, at least absolutely NO REGRETS at having that modification on your body. I have a paw print on the small of my back, well, it covers the small of my back. It was done with a cautery pen. Afterward, it became infected with a horrific strain of staph, called mrsa. I wasn't sorry that my Owner had done it when I had to go to my doctor and heard the inevitable "You are diabetic, and just can't do these things!" and "Why did you do it???" Why do I have no regrets? Because everytime I wash it, feel it, touch it--or he touches it--or someone comments on it, I remember that HE chose to put it there, and it truly helps me focus on the good things in our lives, and less on the negative. All of that said, a body modification isn't for everyone. And ya know something, that's okay!

Celeste43 -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 7:16:56 AM)
You're a lot younger than I am chelle, and that may affect your observations. But I can assure you that I live in a college town where kids wander around with various piercings and tatts. But I have never observed anyone at my synagogue wearing tongue, eyebrow, nose, ear cartilage, piercings, or tribals etc. They may indeed have nipple/genital piercings, or tiny tattoos but they don't have visible ones. As for that, none of my Israeli cousins do either for my 80some year old first cousin once removed who still wears the numbers tattooed on her in Bergen Belsen and who was carried out barely alive by the man who became her father in law nearly ten years later. We take our children to the Holocause Museum, we teach them about what happened the same way we teach the Passover ritual which is not about what happened to unimaginably ancient ancestors who were enslaved in Egypt, but which is done in the first person, when we were slaves in Egypt. We remember. And I have nothing but pity for those young Jews you know who were not taught and the hopes that they will see the need for community in later years.

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 7:19:06 AM)
Do you know there are people who are trying to say that never happen. How crazy is that.. I have an uncle who was with one of the army units that went their during ww2. We forget history to easy. My great grand mother walked the trail of tears. I have seen her hardship in her photos and letters. I respect those who paid for freedom. We have become a country with many diverse ideas And concepts. All those tats and body art might look cool but wait till your a lot older. A company does not have to change to fit your lifestyle yep

BiteGirl -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 7:23:56 AM)
This is not an unusual ask. I had a dom who wanted me to get some "intimate" piercings, including nipples. It's completly your disision on wheather you want it done. After you two are over, you are the one who has to live with the permanent marks, and also the one who has to explain them to your next, they, don't have to do that.

softness -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 8:02:51 AM)
body modification- and reactions to it falls into two camps for me - have i got a say in the modification (ie have a committed to sacrifice my own will) or is it fulfilling a non complusory desire from the Top for instance ... I have been with Men that really wanted genital piercings, or me to lose weight, or change my hair ... now in as far as those were things I would have wanted anyhow .. I happily agreed .. where they were things I would not have chosen for myself they were the result of careful negotiation (one example is that I was asked to dye my hair black, which I didn't want, we negotiated I would do it but if it made me very unhappy or self conscious it could be dyed back after a fixed time period). One thing though .. my weight has been and always will be something of a firm limit. It would take a deeply committed situation for me to sacrifice control of my weight to another. If I was in a very committed Ms dynamic then body modification is out of my hands - but getting to that stage of the relationship would involve a high level of negotiation - what I would stipulate as conditon is that it could be nothing that could potentially damage my health and if it was something I didn't want for myself (eg breast enhancement) that the means would be provided for me to reverse the procedure were the relationship to end

chellekitty -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 10:54:51 AM)
it doesn't matter how young i am...i am not oblivious to the horrors of the past...i am also not stuck on them either...i know people that don't have to talk about their relatives...i have a good friend that was in a concentration camp...she has the best outlook on life...the most positive person in the world...except when she's complaining about her butt hurting from her 4 hours of tennis every morning at 80 something years old...she's gonna roll her eyes and laugh when she sees me and my purple hair in church tomorrow - she's not jewish...but she was there just the same... please don't be like all those other people who judge based on the outside...or did we not learn a lesson from someone else who did that?

softness -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 1:57:36 PM)
with regard the Ha-Shoah debate ...people who experience the same event have very differing reactions .. some people feel the responsibility to keep the collective memory alive more than others ... being negative is not the only way to keep the thing alive .. but everyone who was touched by that, in fact every person of conscience has a responsibility to remember my father lost uncles and cousins in the concentration camps .. we have letters from relatives in ghettos before they were shipped and from allover europe as they scattered trying to escape ... i had them read to me when i was old enough to understand them .. and i will do the same for my children ... i have a responsibility to hold in memory those members of my family destroyed by that outrage

apiercedkitty -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 2:50:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WannaBe13 I usually don't care if my Dom leaves marks on me as long as I can hide them from the public. My last Mistress wanted me to get "SISSY SLUT" tattooed on my ass. I told her no way,she was also gonna get my nipples pierced. Are these common demands or am I just crazy for saying no. I don't mind a good spanking or caning, even if it gets me to the point of tears. I just can't see getting tattooed as part of this. Maybe one day I will be confident in who I am and for the right Mistress I will maybe do this but its really gotta be the right person. i don't think You're crazy at all... i'm very much into body mods and i'd have to be ABSOLUTELY certain that i wanted whatever tatt my Master wanted me to get... let's face it - it's going to be a reminder of that time for the rest of your life...

apiercedkitty -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 2:51:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 Tell her you'll do it if she puts in escrow the $6,000 needed to get the tattoo removed once your relationship is over. Body modifications are permanent and you'll be the one footing the bill when left with reminders of a relationship gone bad. Myself, I don't do body modifications, at all. Most Jews don't since they were done to our relatives in the concentration camps. The only problem i see with that is when you have a tatt "removed," you end up with a scar that looks just like the tatt itself... not really effective imho...

MistressRouge -> RE: BODY MARKS (9/15/2007 3:29:28 PM)
What the hell is the connection between concentration camps and black slavery day, have to do with the op? [8\|] Or have I missed something here lol. Well any form of permanent marking, should be a 100% decision, especially regarding branding, tattoos, scarification. When in doubt, do not act [:D]

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