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Been thinking - 9/15/2007 2:53:42 AM   
Termyn8or


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Sure, go ahead, say how surprised you are, but if this isn't off topic I don't know what is.

I am finding online correspondence such as this more and more satisfactory, and in person discussions les and less so as time goes on. It is 4AM Saturday here, they all left. I am unattached so we are talking about a bunch of dudes. But that is how it is. There were a half dozen people here and that is slow for a Friday night. Two were what I call interrupters.

One I threw out, we sent out for beer, HE actually was the one who asked me something and I was answering him and he interrupted me at the third fucking word. I mean come on, if I had gotten a full sentence out it would not be so bad, but three words ? Well he had beer coing from the beer runner and I told him when his stuff was here he was out of here. I have dealt with this guy too fucking much. He says whatever pops into his head. He also, as a good friend supposedly, betrayed my kink. He did that to someone on the form of gossip, that I did not hang with at the time. I know the person, and we do hang now, but it was not his place to reveal my kink. It seemed to just slide. I have tried to help this dude throughout his life, and counselled him to go to trade school and now he makes more money than I. He showed up at my door one day suicide ready and now he is what he is. Perhaps I made a mistake helping him.

I have become quite quiet in ral life discussions, even in my own home. I am becoming very careful not to interrupt, to hold my thought. To be polite. In the past I tried to educate this guy, but it did not work. I went so far as to resort to physical punishment, in the form of punching in the arm. This guy did not wear sleeveless Tshirts for years. But you see, he still came around. He has had trouble at work because of his mouth, and just doesn't see the big picture. Even with what the mamby pambies would call physical abuse, he still chose to come over again and again.

But he bought another house and we do not see each other as much, and it seems as if he is as bad as when the whole thing started.

Now see, right now some of you, if I had said this in a den or bar or yacht club or something, would want to interrupt me and ask a question. "Did he this" or "Did he that". What you fail to realize is that the answer may likely come in the very next sentence.

So maybe we should just give up on speech. Especially on those who get nothing from it. I mean why waste time trying to be coherent and on topic, and polite, if others do not do the same ? Some may want to draw analogies to hijacks in threads, but it is not the same thing. Getting interrupted in a RL convo is like you stop typing as soon as they read the first three words you typed. Try a discussion forum like that for a few seconds. Because that is about all any of us could stand. If they type while you type, you stop, it stops responding, and they cut in with whatever they want. Give that a try. Let any online forum or chatroom be like that and nobody will support gun control ever again.

In a verbal conversation, the orator of the moment has a train of thought, based on what he has heard. This is called a response. This response is generated right nown with the respondent thinking on his feet so to speak. I was literally calling upon my knowledge to answer a question put to me by this person, and it was on the fly, but there was no ,,,,,,,,, wait, I got interrupted after THREE WORDS. There was no nothing.

I have had some limited success fighting this with a new technique. I clam up. I mean I just stop talking, I might turn to the PC and surf the web, or find a tune to play. But I will not speak for a time. Tonight it was about twenty minutes, AND getting thrown out on the ear with your beer basically. Really nine thirty is pretty young of a night. But that is when the beer got here, he took his home or wherever, and we drank ours. I did NOT say "Don't come back" , but I just didn't want him around for My Friday Night.

You see, I thought a verbal discussion was supposed to be a meeting of the minds. That you are thinking about the other person's words. If that were so, why interrupt ? That I get interrupted on the third word meams that I would be talking to the wall. I have used the silence tactic several times, and others in the room have expressed a desire to hear what I was going to say. Half the time I can't remember it, and half the time I feign forgettance. (I know, but yall can handle that one)

Now I have indeed been thinking. What if this is something like a brain hiccup ? Maybe like a very mild form of Tourette's syndrome. Something like that.

Let's say it is something like that, if that is so then to use imposed (by me) societaly restraints would be wrong, or would it ? It might reinforce their will, and their recovery. It is much better to recover from this than the consequenses of not being able to keep your mouth shut. I am not just talking about a fight or an illegal deal, I am talking about anything.

Why do people have that gossip instinct ? I don't care what other people do unless it hurts someone. Getting exposed was not bad, it was to somone who was also kinky, but this guy did not know that. EXTREMELY stupid.

His day will come. Eventually that new word I learned will again be most effective. Hang on let me look it up.................................

Oh yeah, right here on the first page. NO.

You see the results when they come back. It's not always "That bar I wanted you to give me a ride to was raided for drugs and everybody went to jail", although that has happened it is not the norm, but other things are.

He who speaks without thinking often acts without thinking.

This guy with the loose lips has sunk his own ship. He would be sitting pretty on some decent real estate right now if he would've taken my advice, but he decided to act on impulse and lost it. At alot more than I make, he lives pay to pay now.

I just don't know anymore.

T

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RE: Been thinking - 9/15/2007 3:38:28 AM   
mefisto69


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I'm not a 'professional' in the area i'm responding to, but I've studied a lot, know the professionals and deal with little people that have all kinds of 'disorders'. Your explaination sounds like he may be ADHD with poor impulse control. Since he's now an adult, he was never diagnosed and never recieved any help for it. If you're not a psychologist or psychiatric social worker you can not help him. You can continue your limited friendship on your terms-for as long as you can tolerate his behaviors, if you choose. He can still get help as an adult and you can point him in that direction.

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RE: Been thinking - 9/15/2007 4:36:18 AM   
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I have read your post a few times - and to actually 'hear' all of it properly i will have to read it again. That is why i love this form of communication over verbal - verbal communication is so random and people waste a lot of words saying nothing. Whatever pops into their heads just spurts out of their mouths. I like to take time to consider an answer before giving it and would like to think that the person i am talking to would actually take into consideration the fact that i am giving them the benefit of my wisdom and experience. Small talk annoys me - i don't give a damn what the weather is like - and if you ask how i am you better actually want to know cos if i were to ask you it is not a casual question - i really do want to know.
I apologise if this all seems a bit random also - it is how i think so therefore how i generally write.
You cannot change how a person acts - your friend may or may not realise in time that he is an idiot. Lots of people waste their lives away - they live in a very shallow place. They are too caught up in the here and now to worry about their future. And while i am all for living in the here and now in the spiritual sense these people have no concept of delayed gratification. Also i do believe that there are people out there that are just not thinkers - they have no deep thoughts - they do not question their actions or thoughts and how these things affect others. There are also people who are thinkers - but you are very lucky if you meet one in real life - too much time is spent on trivial matters. Most people don't want their friday nights drinking 'ruined' by serious discussion. They want to go out and get drunk. And how rude to ask a question and then interrupt!! These people only seem interested in what they will say next - this guy asked you a question and interrupted you after 3 words - but you do know that he did not hear even those words because he was thinking of what rubbish he could come out with next. I hope at least it was on topic - but i fear it was probably something very random!
I don't have advice for you - and i am not sure you were looking for it. But I suppose i am replying because i can really relate!! I will probably come back to this - as i said - i will need to reread the origional post!!   

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