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craupadinextreme -> Bastinado (9/15/2007 1:22:46 PM)

I have a slave who wants her feet caned with a bullwhip. She is dead serious. I am afraid she'll never walk again. Anybody have experience with that???



softpjOS -> RE: Bastinado (9/15/2007 1:32:57 PM)

*rushs to shut off the coffee maker as i've obviously had far too much of the stuff*
 
First question that comes to mind is...
 
how do you cane someone with a bullwhip???
 
As for the "never walking again"... caning/whipping/cutting.. anything can lead to this if not done correctly and safely.
 
Not sure if you're asking if anyone's ever done this or suffered the not walking thing .......
 
yup..coffee maker turned OFF

 



thetammyjo -> RE: Bastinado (9/15/2007 1:44:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: craupadinextreme

I have a slave who wants her feet caned with a bullwhip. She is dead serious. I am afraid she'll never walk again. Anybody have experience with that???


I think the terms are off, as softpjOS pointed out.

Sometimes as mistress or as owner or as dominant we have to be able to say "No" or "I don't know how to do, why don't you research it for me" or even "let's find you someone who can and I'll learn from them."

If you have concerns about safety that should outrank any desire or fantasy your slave may have. Frankly I think it should outrank your own fantasies and desires as well.

If it's more a concern about how to do something, I'd look for an offline mentor who has experience which I guess is part of what you are doing with your post. One thing they may tell you is that there is a lot one needs to learn about using bullwhips before one even considers using them on a specific body part. In a consensual relationship I've never seen a bullwhip used as you might think from pop culture portrayals of slavery for example -- here's a book you might be interested in about bullwhips in fact.

http://www.amazon.com/Bullwhip-Book-Andrew-Conway/dp/1890159182/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/105-3675104-4250825?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189889002&sr=1-3

There is another version of this, same author, but I have not yet read it so I cannot recommend it.



ADomDoc -> RE: Bastinado (9/15/2007 1:45:34 PM)

Just do a little reading on bastinado (I'm sure you have) and falanga (other spellings possible).  If you do it as it's supposed to be done, she'll have swelling in her feet, and due to all the nerve endings, she'll barely be able (or won't want to) walk for a day or so.  Just ice her feet & elevate them, and give her NSAIDs (if she's not allergic to them). 

You have several different strokes possible with the bullwhip ... I know of 5.  At the light end, you can bullwhip a clit & not get a scream ... and the heavy end, you'll take the hide off a Cape Buffalo.  And, obviously, with a wrap, you'll cut or bruise her up pretty significantly.  So, how good is your cracker control?  OR ... take off the cracker (popper if you prefer) and just use the raw leather ... you can use it harder because it's wider and softer ... and if pop IT too much, you'll ruin your whip. 

So, if using the bullwhip or any singletail, you need better control (if you are using it full-length (as opposed to holding onto the last foot or 2 & using it more like a crop).  You should probably avoid wrapping, and you'll do less overall damage w/o the popper. 
It's your choice ... and her limits.  As long as you don't shred her, as long as she doesn't have diabetic peripheral neuropathy (or something similar), she'll probably heal up within 2, maybe 3 days w/ the treatments I suggest above. 

Of course, classic bastinado & falanga don't use bullwhips ... and they use different stroke intensity ... 1 being harder strokes, but the other using softer strokes but many, many, many adding on each other to slowly become severe.

Ah ... you can probably minimize the swelling by elevating her feet during the torture ... it'll also drag it out longer.  Be aware that too many NSAIDs prior to the scene might lead to blood thinning and easier bleeding (bruising). 

Also, if she is low in Vitamin C (all 9 parts, including Rutin & Hesperidin, etc), she'll have more capillary fragility.  So dose her heavily with a complete vit c (NOT JUST ASCORBIC ACID) for at least a week before the scene & she'll bruise less easily.

Also, to heal her after the scene, lots of research has shown that heavy dosing with proteolytic enzymes will cut healing time in half (or double the speed of healing, however you prefer to look at it).  But I can't get into the dosing or specifics of that online. 

What part of your question haven't I answered?  (I don't read the msg boards too often, contact me directly if you need followup info.)

Hope this helps
quote:

ORIGINAL: craupadinextreme
I have a slave who wants her feet caned with a bullwhip. She is dead serious. I am afraid she'll never walk again. Anybody have experience with that???



joyinslavery -> RE: Bastinado (9/15/2007 1:47:40 PM)

Wheelchairs are readily available. 

Besides, walking is overrated. 



Drifa -> RE: Bastinado (9/15/2007 2:30:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: craupadinextreme
I have a slave who wants her feet caned with a bullwhip. She is dead serious. I am afraid she'll never walk again. Anybody have experience with that???


I am thinking that a bullwhip will be hard to control for such a small target.

I might suggest starting the scene with a bullwhip in evidence, then blindfolding the slave and securing her feet. I've seen "foot stocks" used, or the ankles padded with a small towel and then bound together. Next the big toes are tied together loosely with a small cord.

Once you have set the scene and then added the blindfold, run the heavy whip across her body and legs as a tease. But then use a quirt or even a strap -- a shorter tool where you will have better control -- when striking the foot soles.

I don't think you will have serious risk as long a you don't have a person with lymphedema or diabetic issues of the lower legs and feet, and don't use a striking tool in such a way to break the small bones in the foot. I would expect swelling, and as has already been mentioned, I'd suggest icepacks 15 minutes on, 20 off, as aftercare.

As a bottom, I can and do ask for things during scenes that I would never actually want if I was not hopped up on endorphins and sex.  My Lady is wise and knows this, and gives me what I need rather than whatever silly thing I might ask for in the heat of passion. But she does play with the outlandish requests verbally, or suggest them using blindfolds and substitution, which makes the play more fun for both of us.

The implement that I've seen that works best on the feet is a crop, personally. I'm sure there are many other possibilities.






ocilla -> RE: Bastinado (9/15/2007 3:36:04 PM)

You could just make her wait tables in bad shoes for 10 hours.  You oughta get the same results.



Petronius -> RE: Bastinado (9/15/2007 5:02:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ocilla

You could just make her wait tables in bad shoes for 10 hours.  You oughta get the same results.


Damn good suggestion under the circumstances, although my first thoughts were 3-4 dried peas in each shoe while at the dungeon.

I've never heard informed people wanting to play with the bastinado just like I've never heard any druggie, regardless of how much a garbagehead they are, wanting to abuse drugs like Thorazine.

As the Dom, as the active partner, you're responsible for what happens. Generally society leaves us alone when we play consensually. But society does intervene, consent be damned, when somebody gets seriously injured. Bastinado strikes me as having too high a chance to produce just that.

I don't have a habit of telling people that they shouldn't do something. Actually this is the first time I recall saying it: but bastinado is a really bad idea, no matter what the sub wants or thinks they want. And you're responsible for the consequences of real bastinado, regardless of what the sub says. So do not do it.



ADomDoc -> RE: Bastinado (9/19/2007 3:10:36 AM)

Anyone who can't control a bullwhip to within the size of a foot shouldn't be using a bullwhip on a person! 
I can understand it would be difficult with a 20' bullwhip ... but I'm assuming most of the folks on here don't play anything bigger than an 8' ... and 5' to 6' is more functional for casual BdSm play.  But if a person can't cut an oak leaf off the tree, 1/3 of the leaf at a time, then s/he has no business playing a sub with a bullwhip.

Of course, if s/he is an inconsiderate wanker who doesn't know or care what damage s/he does ... and that's what his/her sub/slave wants ... wale away!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drifa
I am thinking that a bullwhip will be hard to control for such a small target.



LadyHugs -> RE: Bastinado (9/19/2007 4:03:27 AM)

Dear craupadineextreme, Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
Bastinado is a high skill level.  One would be wise to get a doctor that can show on your foot all the small bones, the tissues and tendons and the nerve bundles.
 
ADomDoc has very wise advice but, I also point out that he most likely has years of medical training and practice.  Those who aren't medically versed--are given just enough information that could be dangerous.
 
From the request, to cane with a bullwhip--should be a red flag that the individual might not know what they are asking for and or the risks of what they are asking for.  Although the cane is in the whip class a bullwhip is flexible and requires great skill.  I would have someone to hit a match stick in my hand 10 out of 10 strokes, without touching my fingers and or rest of my body before I would allow them to target on genitals and or small target areas, like the feet on another human being--but, I am rather demanding when it comes to accuracy and consistancy.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 



goddessblaze -> RE: Bastinado (9/20/2007 11:32:36 AM)

When I was a sub.... Having my feet beat was the worst and that is how I was punished.  A bull whip does hurt but that chances of you actully hitting the foot enough to cause pain may take awhile.  Now a aspe like what a cop carrys (long metal pc that colapses when hit on ground, now that hurts like hell and does brake blood vessel and small bones.  I have also had the pleasure of being kidnapped and made the mistake of kicking the guy when he let go of my foot, so he stood on my ankle and beat the bottoms of my feet with the aspe, till he made sure all I could do was crawl.  Also try having your pussy single tailed for 3 hrs.. Not only was my Master good at it but when I entereded into finally being a Domina he taught me how to single tail...yeah for me.   God I dont miss having my feet beat... ouchie!!!



undergroundsea -> RE: Bastinado (9/21/2007 3:56:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ADomDoc


I appreciate the informative post that shares your expertise.

Cheers,

Sea



deliciousmorsel -> RE: Bastinado (9/25/2007 12:58:33 AM)

Feet are incredbly complex mechanisms that injure very easily. A good bruising to the plantar fascia, a badly judged limp to the bathroom, BAM! crippled. Probably permanantly. Given that just walking on cement for years ruins peoples feet speeding up the process with a big whip is not a very good idea. You might show your sub an elderly lady in those sneakers with velcro closures or real orthopedic shoes and ask her if it's worth spending life in those and a cane. It isn't. Then there's the expensive orthotics and the unrelenting pain. And it isn't the fun sexy pain, I promise! Been there after an accident. Thank god mine got better and I can wear heels again- but not everybodies does.
There are so many awful ways to injure feet just walking around. Even if you use a quirt make sure she uses crutches after. Stretched ligaments and plantar fascia don't go back to normal.
Once you ruin the feet, misalignment travels up to the knees and there's another jolly circle of hell nobody wants to visit. Sportscasters make a knee scope sound so hip n' easy? No. Don't remember it like that.
So this is way more trouble than it's worth. Say no or switch whips, but making it disappointing might be a thought too. Then you don't need to revisit the issue. Wimpy, but your judgement is the best here.

lizzy

sub, but knows foot injury tooo well



sammiebabygirl -> RE: Bastinado (9/28/2007 7:03:01 PM)

gotta chime in on this topic.
 
i absolutely LOVE bastinado, but i do agree that it MUST be done with someone skilled in it, who knows the structure of the foot. i think a bull whip requires a much larger target and the possibilities of injury are too great. Some of the best implements i have had used on my feet have been the falaaka, which was designed for bastinado, canes, riding crops, a quirt, floggers and a stun gun.
The falaaka was, by far, my favorite because you don't feel anything right away and then seconds later it is like a snake bite. i felt it with every step i took for the next few days.
 
jen



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