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wetsub000 -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 2:17:19 AM)

I think part of the problem here is you are making a clear attack on others without any specifics and others are reading into your post whatever they can. You says= that the subs looked like 'crap', this could mean just about anything, poor clothes, poor grooming, perhaps just not what you would consider attractive. You also say 'it was clearly not humiliation' but without any specifics. Did you ask if they were being humiliated? Does you know what their Masters' preferences are?

I'm afraid I have to put in a vote for a negative here, this seems to me to be an attack on others in order to make yourself feel better. If it was a genuine question then we'd have something a bit clearer to reply to.

Not just your looks are a reflection on your Master, your behaviour is too and perhaps this would not make him so proud, or perhaps you are two of a kind who both like to feel superior to those around you.




kisshou -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 5:24:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: surfergirl
How important is it to you as a sub/or slave to loook your very best AT ALL times for your MASTER?

very important to me. It is a requirement of my Owner.

quote:

ORIGINAL: surfergirl
I ask this because last night we went to a party, and my gosh, It was so hard for me to imagine that someof the Doms were happy with the way their property looked. It was clearly not humiliation, these women jsut did not care what they looked like.
I am sorry if I am being a brat here, but for me, I alsways want my Master to feel proud of me, to look my best for him, because I represent him. People look at me and I am a direct refelction of him.

I wonder if all Masters feel this way. Maybe you should pose that question in the ask a Master forum.

quote:

ORIGINAL: surfergirl
Am I wrong?

wrong about what?

quote:

ORIGINAL: surfergirl
P.S. I KNOW there are Dom's who like their women to look like crap. BUt I can not fathom it being on a daily basis. I have seen these girls in the vanilla world, and they looked like crap then too!

I think people get into a rut with their looks as other things in life become more important. You could try to think of a positive way to express this by holding a makeover seminar for the local submissive group. Those who wanted to attend could choose to.





BlouLady -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 6:14:09 AM)

Dressed up or not it's more how you feel about yourself. If you feel great about yourself it really comes through and THAT"S what makes you attractive.NOT what you're wearing. I'm sure Dom's know there counterparts enough to know when they look good even if they're not dressed up. Until you know someone you can't really judge how they look. Of course there are instances where when a person doesn't feel good about themselves and that to really shines through.
Try to look good for yourself and you WILL look good for your Dom




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 6:15:31 AM)

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How did the male submissives compare? Just curious.

Akasha [/quote]



This brings to mind a munch that a friend and I went to a couple years ago.

It was the first time we'd been to that particular munch. held at a local Friday's-type restaurant.

Both my friend and I dressed "casual" but nice - she wore slacks and a nice shirt, I wore well fitting jeans and a peasant blouse. I've been going to munches for over 10 years, and "casual nice" is the norm.

Well my goodness...we were completely overdressed compared to the rest that showed up. I wouldn't go out of the house in clothes that the vast majority were wearing - sloppy tshirts & shorts, sweats, etc. Males AND females. We never went back to that particular munch.

Now I know many go to munches to socialize with friends, but if you were going to possibly meet someone to connect with - impressions on how you present yourself DO count. It's just as simple to put on a pair of dockers and a polo shirt as it is to throw on jeans & a tshirt, and yet it looks so much more polished, put together.

I've also had issues with male subs.....one I sent home because he wore sweatpants out on a date, another I outright banned from ever showing up in my presence in a sweatshirt again (after he wore the SAME ONE 6+ dates in a row) - then had to explain to him that while a button down shirt is nice, it has to be STAIN FREE and PRESSED. Ugh.




plantlady64 -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 7:48:44 AM)

Hello There,
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Did you ever think maybe they feel beautiful the way they are??
I think you should judge people based on the content of their spirit and not the surface.
For example I like to wear a thong & thight highs. I dated a man who was into white granny panties and loose pants. It's not always about the attire, it's about the union of the two and what's important to them.
Besides as long as you're not dating them, why do you care what others wear to be happy?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne




Quivver -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 9:26:55 AM)

I dont think your Wrong at all actually, your standards for self are just on a different level then the others or their Masters.








feline -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 11:59:58 AM)

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P.S. I KNOW there are Dom's who like their women to look like crap. BUt I can not fathom it being on a daily basis. I have seen these girls in the vanilla world, and they looked like crap then too!


eeewwwww really?!

I would say it's a matter of pride. I mean how could I expect him to be proud of me if I look like garbage? We all have our bad days. But not when your expected to make an appearance. I wouldn't want him to look like crap why would I think it would be ok for me to?!

What's really amazing is when they can look good even when they are sick with a 103 fever.


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lonewolf05 -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 12:39:09 PM)

Calliope Purple;

sits up, ears up, feels the soft hand pat his head.
sniffs, and settles down.

ahhhh a nice person at least.


and trots off happily.

wolf




plantlady64 -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 1:23:15 PM)

Hello Again,
I also do my best to be clean & dress sexy when I'm out with my Master. Who's to say these sub's you're talking about are not doing the best they can.
I still think you should worry more about yourself and less about others.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne




fourpeas -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 2:30:56 PM)

I think it is as important as you make it to be.

And whoever the hell babyface or whatever is to be making comments about how if you desire to be beautiful you are a cunt... whatever. I think maybe (surfergirl) your wording in the OP was a little harsh, but I do think it does reflect.

And looking your best doesn't mean with makeup, it doesn't mean nice clothes, but I would hope that it certainly would mean caring at least a little bit about basic things such as body hygiene, grooming, and wearing (sort of) clean clothing.

"nice" for some people means leather jackets and jeans, and "nice" for other people means formal gowns. However there is a major difference between dressing down and just not caring. It's none of my business what your hair looks like, but if I can smell your hair from across the room, I think that's not caring...




sabis -> RE: Your Looks (7/18/2005 6:16:53 PM)

i was very much an ugly duckling growing up - to the extent that "(sabis) likes you!" was one of the main insults thrown on the school bus for years. As a young girl / teen, i never spent time learning to style my hair, or to put on makeup, because it would have been pretty pointless, and a family member even told me so rather bluntly. My mother was very much the bohemian hippy type, and never encouraged me to do any of those things, either. i always dressed very conservatively to try and avoid notice, hiding as much of myself as possible behind mousey hair and big glasses... except for a brief rebellious period in my late teens, when i ran away from home and became an art model. [How i found the guts to do so, i'm not sure, except for the encouragement i got from my girlfriend at the time. That was the first time in my life i felt good about the way i looked: the positive reinforcement i got from her and the artists who were painting me.]

Even still, after nearly 20 years, i've worn unisex clothes, avoided makeup / nail polish / etc and never really been confident with how to compliment my figure with fashion or cosmetics or hairstyle.

These days, i'm slowly learning how to dress and look 'girlie,' because that is what pleases Master. He loves the slightly trashy, sexpot look; very styled hair, defined makeup, revealing clothing. He likes to have me dress up for the local munches and gatherings. He also gets a very big kick out of seeing other men lust after what belongs to Him. i have found that the more feminine i can make my appearance, the more aware of His own masculinity He is. The more masculine He is feeling, the more He expresses His Dominance. The more He expresses his Dominance, the more submissive i feel. So it's a neat circle that builds upon itself. My confidence is slowly growing.

Maybe it's the gemini dichotomy in me, but there's still a lot of days i look in the mirror and wonder how on earth He finds me sexy when THAT is in the mirror. Then i just have to remind myself that there doesn't have to be a reason. He just does. He both tells and shows me so on a daily basis that i am what He wants, what He chose, what He married for now and always. i use that as my strength to shake myself out of the old 'ugly duckling' patterns of thinking.

Maybe some of the women at the munch that you saw and whom didn't meet your standards of grooming or clothing just hadn't gained the self-confidence to do so yet.

In His service,

~ sabis




fastlane -> RE: Your Looks (7/19/2005 11:28:25 AM)

Surfer girl....you always look good. Keep the sexwax handy and the salty taste of waves on your lips.....it's glassy and offshore today![:D]




Faramir -> RE: Your Looks (7/19/2005 12:15:53 PM)

From my end, knowing she wants to be attractive to me, look good for me, take pains in her appearance for my sake - all that I take as a graceful and pleasing acts of service.

It's less about how good she looks - much more meaningful is the sincere intent to please behind it. It's a really big deal to me.




subcheryl -> RE: Your Looks (7/19/2005 5:07:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sabis

i was very much an ugly duckling growing up - to the extent that "(sabis) likes you!" was one of the main insults thrown on the school bus for years. As a young girl / teen, i never spent time learning to style my hair, or to put on makeup, because it would have been pretty pointless, and a family member even told me so rather bluntly. My mother was very much the bohemian hippy type, and never encouraged me to do any of those things, either. i always dressed very conservatively to try and avoid notice, hiding as much of myself as possible behind mousey hair and big glasses... except for a brief rebellious period in my late teens, when i ran away from home and became an art model. [How i found the guts to do so, i'm not sure, except for the encouragement i got from my girlfriend at the time. That was the first time in my life i felt good about the way i looked: the positive reinforcement i got from her and the artists who were painting me.]

Even still, after nearly 20 years, i've worn unisex clothes, avoided makeup / nail polish / etc and never really been confident with how to compliment my figure with fashion or cosmetics or hairstyle.

These days, i'm slowly learning how to dress and look 'girlie,' because that is what pleases Master. He loves the slightly trashy, sexpot look; very styled hair, defined makeup, revealing clothing. He likes to have me dress up for the local munches and gatherings. He also gets a very big kick out of seeing other men lust after what belongs to Him. i have found that the more feminine i can make my appearance, the more aware of His own masculinity He is. The more masculine He is feeling, the more He expresses His Dominance. The more He expresses his Dominance, the more submissive i feel. So it's a neat circle that builds upon itself. My confidence is slowly growing.

Maybe it's the gemini dichotomy in me, but there's still a lot of days i look in the mirror and wonder how on earth He finds me sexy when THAT is in the mirror. Then i just have to remind myself that there doesn't have to be a reason. He just does. He both tells and shows me so on a daily basis that i am what He wants, what He chose, what He married for now and always. i use that as my strength to shake myself out of the old 'ugly duckling' patterns of thinking.

Maybe some of the women at the munch that you saw and whom didn't meet your standards of grooming or clothing just hadn't gained the self-confidence to do so yet.

In His service,

~ sabis






I had pretty much the same experience as you growing up, only mine was a stepmom who raised 2 of her own girls and 2 step daughters before I came to be a teen and interested in boys or my looks, she did not allow makeup, shaving, wearing skirts above the knees this was in the 70's (mini skirts were the thing then) and jeans were unheard of. The summer of my 16th birthday spent the summer with a stepsister who taught me to shave the underarms and legs, boy did that feel good since I was particularly hairy. Makeup I have learned on my own, clothes I am learning to like girly things it started out with sexy underthings then lace on topes and now with master skirts or dress' his preference. But yes depends on what you consider to look like crap, cause even as a teen could only wash my hair once maybe twice a week, baths where once a week, I still washed and even tried babypowder trick between shampoos to take away the oily look of teen hair to make it appear fresh and clean if possible, so did make an effort with what was allowed, now take pride in self will wear makeup occasionally, and always try to appear clean and neat for master. But I have learned with dealing with younger girls my sons ages that the girls to some degree don't have a clue what iit is to take pride in the way they look and to me that is a testiment to moms who are just to busy to teach their girls how to be women. Many times I would have makeup parties for the teen girls with their mothers permissions to introduce them on how to wear makeup, for I beleive in the natural look being accentuated by just a touch of makeup, and most moms where rather pleased with the results, so as one poster put it perhaps have a makeup party invite the women of the club to it and help them learn.or take one or two of them under your wing and gently and slowly show them how to clean up to look the best they can with what money they have to work with, for some this is a factor, i know I am not working now and masters money goes for bills and occasionally clothes but I am making alot of my own due to it is cheaper. and I like to sew.




Hissweetshiv -> RE: Your Looks (7/20/2005 6:39:07 AM)

Jumps to my feet and CHEERS for sabis!!! Bravo! Well said!
I started out as a tomboy - i once chased a boy on a BMX uphill with a handful of worms (i was on foot) and almost caught him lol. By high school, i was no longer such a tomboy, but very awkward and certainly not one of the beauty queen/clothes horse/ popular girls. It took me until i was 27 to be even remotely comfortable in my body, and yes, there are days when i don't understand what Master sees in THAT. I can vouch for the fact that a lack of self confidence can, will, and often does affect one's grooming.
As for "wanting to look your best at all times" - well, it depends. When we are headed out for a social event of some sort, then yes of course, i want to be clean and dressed properly and what have you. But for staying around the house or a run to the gas station for munchies, whatever is handy works...and He loves me and thinks i'm beautiful regardless.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Your Looks (7/20/2005 9:04:47 AM)

quote:

How important is it to you as a sub/or slave to loook your very best AT ALL times for your MASTER?


Master receives joy from this slave's devotion....looking this slave's "best", in His eye's, is part of this slave's devotion to Him.

quote:

I am sorry if I am being a brat here, but for me, I alsways want my Master to feel proud of me, to look my best for him, because I represent him. People look at me and I am a direct refelction of him.


without speaking to any of the women who "did not care what they looked like", how would you know if they intentionally dressed or groomed themselves in such a manner as to please their Master....or to be pleasing to the group?




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Your Looks (7/20/2005 9:05:54 AM)

There's always hope! I didn't own a single dress that fit me when I was 18.

Now? I own more corsets, chemises, robes, formal gowns, tiaras and bustiers than a woman my age has a right to.

It was a long uphill battle, but I went to a total clothes slob and bookworm, into an absolute fashion plate geek.

Not everyone needs to be into it as deeply as I am, for example I never get manicures or pedicures and rarely get my hair cut and NEVER colored. But I know how to keep my nails neat and trim, and I know what clothes work with my type of body (which is half the battle when learning to dress well).




plantlady64 -> RE: Your Looks (7/20/2005 10:17:25 AM)

hE
quote:

how would you know if they intentionally dressed or groomed themselves in such a manner as to please their Master....or to be pleasing to the group?

Hello There,
I guess my main question that keeps coming up is why do you care what others look like so much.??
I personally wear garters & hose or thigh highs, a thong, dresses or sexy lingerie, no bra & and heels usually when out with my Master. When we're at a function I do notice what others have on, but I don't care what they are wearing as it has no bearing on my time out with my Master.
I think if everyone else was in dirty sweats and didn't brush their hair as long as they smelled clean I wouldn't care. I don't dress to impress the public; I dress for my Master's pleasure. If their Master's pleased with them why do you find it a personal issue of yours?

or to be pleasing to the group?

Do you really feel people in general need to dress for your pleasure if you're attending a function?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne





Niran -> RE: Your Looks (7/20/2005 11:02:01 AM)

I have thought a lot about this thread, and as I see it, there is a difference between unkept and uncared for, and totally casual.

I have had employees (thinking of one in particular) that didnt give a rats behind about being a fashion plate. She was of the New Hippie Era. Long hair, no makeup, etc. But she was clean, her hair always brushed, her clothes were pressed. She was neat and tidy. She looked after herself in the fashion that she felt suited her best. She was "totally casual"

I have also had employees that just didn't care. Unwashed hair, stained clothing, clothes with holes, unwashed bodies. They were also the employee that we got the most complaints of "not working out"

If one doesn't care enough to look after basic hygiene, what does that say about a person? Even if your master/mistress prefers you at your most casual, does that excuse lack of hygiene and grooming. Unless there is some humiliation play going on, making them appear in public unwashed, etc, there are just basic standards. Call me snobby, etc, but I like to be around people that have taken a shower recently.

I think what Surfergirl was trying to convey is that these people were unkempt, not casual, and was wanting to know what we all thought about a sub's appearance reflecting on their master/mistress.

Lastly, beauty has nothing to do with cleanliness, but cleanliness has a lot to do with beauty.

Niran

quote:

ORIGINAL: plantlady64

hE
quote:

how would you know if they intentionally dressed or groomed themselves in such a manner as to please their Master....or to be pleasing to the group?

Hello There,
I guess my main question that keeps coming up is why do you care what others look like so much.??
I personally wear garters & hose or thigh highs, a thong, dresses or sexy lingerie, no bra & and heels usually when out with my Master. When we're at a function I do notice what others have on, but I don't care what they are wearing as it has no bearing on my time out with my Master.
I think if everyone else was in dirty sweats and didn't brush their hair as long as they smelled clean I wouldn't care. I don't dress to impress the public; I dress for my Master's pleasure. If their Master's pleased with them why do you find it a personal issue of yours?

or to be pleasing to the group?

Do you really feel people in general need to dress for your pleasure if you're attending a function?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne







brightspot -> RE: Your Looks (7/20/2005 12:14:08 PM)

When my Domina and myself are at home just hanging out,
she prefers me in very little or no make-up. I like make-up and
feeling girly, so we usually compromise with some make-up.

When we are out I want to look great for her and enjoy when she is
witnessing others enjoying me.
I ususally allow her to dress me when we go out, she has really good taste
so I enjoy dressing for her.
If I want to try an out-fit she is open to that, but if she desires any changes I
go with that.
She also prefers to do my make-up, which bugs me sometimes because I like
it to amplify my strong points where she likes it to look natural.


*Brightspot

TYPO"S[:-]




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