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TheHeretic -> Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 8:16:17 PM)
So I spent a fair amount of time today with the TV on the news station in the background, listening to the talking heads fill the air with speculation on the OJ arrest, and what is to come. He's facing enough years to easily amount to life without parole. If OJ is convicted on this case, should he get the maximum, based on his history, or should he get exactly the sort of treatment we would expect from Vegas when a high roller from out of town does something dumb, but nobody gets hurt? (That would be a fat fine and probation very often.) Is it appropriate to punish him for something he got away with before? I'll answer my own question a bit further down.

Owner59 -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 8:35:27 PM)
yawn...

FangsNfeet -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 8:55:23 PM)
He's innocent untill proven guilty. Besides, what's the circumstancial evidence? A gun, a glove with discharge recidual, finger prints, a trail of gun powder or bullet shells leading back to his place? How many weapons where found in his vehicle? How good of a lawyer can OJ hire to suggest and mislead a jury that this was another "Set Up" and get a mistrial? A bargin or plea of no contest could happen. If so, OJ's sentence will most likely be a type of fine and possibly being banned from the state of Navada. In which case, a trial may never happen. If this case ever goes to trial, the jury selection would take forever. I forsee either a deal being made or all charges being droped before we see OJ in a courthouse. But that's just my prediction based of all the info that the news has been able to give us.

dcnovice -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 8:57:10 PM)
Whatever one thinks of the verdict in the murder trial, Simpson was acquitted. So I don't think it would be fair to use that as grounds for a harsher penalty if he's convicted this time.

FangsNfeet -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 9:50:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Whatever one thinks of the verdict in the murder trial, Simpson was acquitted. So I don't think it would be fair to use that as grounds for a harsher penalty if he's convicted this time. Acquitted yes. However, the tempation for a Judge and Jury may be overwhelming. An overwhelming percent of the majority belives that OJ is a murderer. This is an opportunity to lash out in a court of justice to make him serve the harshest sentence for this particular crime. This is almost like putting Al Copone away for Tax Evasion when everyone knew he was a cold blooded killing mob boss. History reveals that if we can't get someone on a charge, then we'll wait for them to screw up again and hit them as hard as we can with the new charge. If this situation with OJ goes to trial, can and will a Judge and Jury of today change this status quo and not give him the maximum penalty of this new crime?

Vendaval -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 9:54:44 PM)
No, but how will the lawyers find people who do not have prior knowledge about his infamous trail for a jury? quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Is it appropriate to punish him for something he got away with before?

Mayhem1703 -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 10:00:42 PM)
If I recall correctly, they will settle for what they can and the judge will give strict instructions to the point of "This trial is not about the defendant's past misconduct or innocence, but only about the facts of this case." And if the judge feels that the jury convicts and recommends too harsh a sentence because of OJ's past issues, he can and will either throw out the verdict or place a lighter sentence... All in all, though, OJ has a nearly blank check to do what he wants anymore since unless they catch him doing something on tape, any lawyer will be able to push for the "The jury convicted on past bias" retrial as much as he wants and eventually find a jury who will go the way he wants... Best thing that could happen for the world regarding OJ would be for him to be run over by an out of control empty bus with no driver as it is hit by a meteor or something.... But, that's just one person's opinion....

TheHeretic -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/16/2007 11:10:39 PM)
Las Vegas is a strange city. It's the only place I know of where you can get drunk three seperate times in a day, get a tattoo, two blowjobs and go to bed with $20 more in your wallet than you started with. Yet once you get a few blocks from the Strip and main drags, it's just another desert city full of pinch-faced, too religious, mean people. I'd pull out some Hunter Thompson quotes, but the books are already packed. Those people know where their bread is buttered. The money the drunkards and painted whores bring in provides good schools, parks and roads. They don't have brownouts when everybody runs the a/c on a 115 degree day. Some of the laws are downright crazy draconian. Until recently, a joint could get you serious prison time. But the locals don't want too many horror stories scaring the tourists. Most of the stories you hear from hippie types are of a cop scaring the shit out him and making him throw it away (then handing over a speeding ticket for 20 mph faster than he was actually going). It's the Vegas Freebie, the "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" attitude. Enough go for a weekend at the MGM and get home 20 years later for the scare tactic to work, but not enough to cut into the tourism base. It's the same for a lot of the stupid things drunks with money get into. 'Getting away with it' is part of the image to be sold. Fun as the idea might be to kick around, I don't think pursuing the maximum consecutive penalty because of the murder verdict is appropriate. What I do think is entirely proper is to not cut him one bit of that Vegas Freebie. With any luck, the tourism board will decide letting him slip away would be bad for business. Besides, I bet the rental price on that room is going to go way up.

Satyr6406 -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/17/2007 6:58:22 AM)
Ya know, maybe it's that part of me that sees potential in everyone. Maybe, it's because when he was on the football field, I was in absolute awe of his talent and execution. Maybe, it's the fact that I can't believe that one human being could come so close to being put to death (according to them, wrongly) and decide that armed robbery is a good idea that they're going to get away with. I hope OJ REALLY IS innocent, this time (NOT like last time when the prosecution just failed to prove a case). I hope ... Having said that, I can't help thinking that the police, in Vegas, made sure that they dotted all their "I"s and crossed all their "T"s so that they would avoid all the obvious "rush to judgement" accusations. My thought is that famous people or elected officials should ALWAYS get maximum sentences to serve as an example for all of the rest of us. This is not based upon any animosity toward OJ. This is not really based upon any feeling of vengeance. Forget his last trial. Because he was a person that many people "idolized" (until June of 94), he should be held up for all of the rest of us who watched his glory days so we can also see how far the mighty have fallen. Peace and comfort, Michael

Level -> RE: Justice or Vengeance? (9/17/2007 10:19:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic So I spent a fair amount of time today with the TV on the news station in the background, listening to the talking heads fill the air with speculation on the OJ arrest, and what is to come. He's facing enough years to easily amount to life without parole. If OJ is convicted on this case, should he get the maximum, based on his history, or should he get exactly the sort of treatment we would expect from Vegas when a high roller from out of town does something dumb, but nobody gets hurt? (That would be a fat fine and probation very often.) Is it appropriate to punish him for something he got away with before? I'll answer my own question a bit further down. Part of me says, OJ should be beat with one of his own golf clubs.......... but. Our flawed judicial system found him innocent, so no, he should not be punished this go-round for what happened previously. Good questions Rich.

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