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SugarMyChurro -> Another Clinton in the White House? No chance... (9/18/2007 6:10:02 AM)

The Hypocrisy of Bill Clinton's New Book 'Giving'
http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/20070917_giving_and_taking/

The misery sweeping across the American landscape may have begun with Ronald Reagan, but it was accelerated and codified by Bill Clinton. He sold out the poor and the working class. And Clinton did it deliberately to feed the pathological hunger he and his wife have for political power. It was the Clintons who led the Democratic Party to the corporate watering trough.

The Clintons argued that the party had to ditch labor unions, no longer a source of votes or power, as a political ally. Workers would vote Democratic anyway. They had no choice. It was better, the Clintons argued, to take corporate money and use government to service the needs of the corporations. By the 1990s, the Democratic Party, under Clinton’s leadership, had virtual fund-raising parity with the Republicans. In political terms, it was a success. In moral terms, it was a betrayal.

The North American Free Trade Agreement was sold to the country by the Clinton White House as an opportunity to raise the incomes and prosperity of the citizens of the United States, Canada and Mexico. Goods would be cheaper. Workers would be wealthier. Everyone would be happier. I am not sure how these contradictory things were supposed to happen, but in a sound-bite society, reality no longer matters. NAFTA would also, we were told, staunch Mexican immigration into the United States.

"There will be less illegal immigration because more Mexicans will be able to support their children by staying home,” President Clinton said in the spring of 1993 as he was lobbying for the bill.

But NAFTA, which took effect in 1994, had the curious effect of reversing every one of Clinton’s rosy predictions. Once the Mexican government lifted price supports on corn and beans for Mexican farmers, they had to compete against the huge agribusinesses in the United States. The Mexican farmers were swiftly bankrupted. At least 2 million Mexican farmers were driven off their land from 1993 through 2002. And guess where many of them went? This desperate flight of Mexicans into the United States is being exacerbated by large-scale factory closures along the border as manufacturers leave Mexico for the cut-rate embrace of China’s totalitarian capitalism.

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Ah yes, how the Democrats love the Clintons - the best friends the Republicans ever had.





pahunkboy -> RE: Another Clinton in the White House? No chance... (9/18/2007 7:36:17 AM)

hmmm.  ild say this is accurrate.




meatcleaver -> RE: Another Clinton in the White House? No chance... (9/18/2007 8:41:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro


But NAFTA, which took effect in 1994, had the curious effect of reversing every one of Clinton’s rosy predictions. Once the Mexican government lifted price supports on corn and beans for Mexican farmers, they had to compete against the huge agribusinesses in the United States. The Mexican farmers were swiftly bankrupted. At least 2 million Mexican farmers were driven off their land from 1993 through 2002. And guess where many of them went? This desperate flight of Mexicans into the United States is being exacerbated by large-scale factory closures along the border as manufacturers leave Mexico for the cut-rate embrace of China’s totalitarian capitalism.



But surely the US agribusinesses is also heavily subsidized and so the playing field has not been made level. If the Mexicans got rid of their price supports and the US didn't get rid of its subsidies to the agribusinesses then it is no wonder the poor Mexican farmer can't compete.

As for the US complaining about factory closures, this is also a red herring for what must be structural problems in the US. The world's biggest exporter is Germany, a far more expensive place to manufacture products than the US. Germany has realized it can't compete with cheap and so it makes products people are willing to pay a premium for and outsources the cheaper products it used to manufacture in Germany.

From what I understand, NAFTA was to function similarly to the EU. The EU works and has worked giving poorer countries access to a continent wide market. The more barriers that are removed the better the EU works. The problem with NAFTA as far as I can see, is that the US refuses to remove its trade protection barriers. Hmm also the EU allows freedom of movement for labour and finance. Universal access to services and equal rights to all citizens of the EU, this is also a necessity for such a concept as NAFTA to work.




popeye1250 -> RE: Another Clinton in the White House? No chance... (9/18/2007 11:36:56 AM)

I like Hillary's national healthcare program but that's about all I like about her.
NAFTA has got to go!
It was done with big business in mind only.
Thirteen years now and it is nothing but an abject failure.
Where are all the "high-paying manufacturing jobs" that Clinton promised if Nafta were passed? Anyone seen any of them?
I have to laugh at the people who say; "you can't stop globalisation."
All it takes is one stroke of the legislative pen!
Of course the people who say that are among the few who benefit from it.
I really don't think that it's the job-description of my government to ensure that I have enough cheap, plastic, shoddy, and now *dangerous* goods to buy from foreign countries!
"NAFTA" is nothing but *one big lie.*




UtopianRanger -> RE: Another Clinton in the White House? No chance... (9/18/2007 11:47:36 AM)

I think it was Hilliary who gave the order to have that UF student tazed [8|]




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