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Firm and tolerant - 7/18/2005 7:10:35 PM   
fastlane


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Status: offline 		This Master is firm 24/7 (take that as you may?) yet also tolerant of a subs denial/disobedience/lack of respect/questioning of authority/rebelliousness/acting like a complete idiot submissive, who does not know or understand shiat!!!, but that's what makes you a sub and me the Master.
The bottom line is this ..... I respect you and expect you to do nothing that degrades you to the point of no return, that's just me.
Am I as a Master/Dominat too soft on my slaves, or, am I what every slave should hope for?

Trust me...I am firm!

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/18/2005 7:24:04 PM   
stormsfate


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Status: offline 		What? I'm not sure I grasped what you are saying, but I'll give it a shot anyway..lol.

I don't have an opinion as to whether or not you are too soft on your slaves and it doesn't really matter what others think. This should be about fulfilling *you*...not about being what every slave should hope for, or about gaining brownie points from others telling you that you are the perfect owner. JMO.



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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/18/2005 7:43:55 PM   
LaMspeach


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quote:

ORIGINAL: fastlane

This Master is firm 24/7 (take that as you may?) yet also tolerant of a subs denial/disobedience/lack of respect/questioning of authority/rebelliousness/acting like a complete idiot submissive, who does not know or understand shiat!!!, but that's what makes you a sub and me the Master.
The bottom line is this ..... I respect you and expect you to do nothing that degrades you to the point of no return, that's just me.
Am I as a Master/Dominat too soft on my slaves, or, am I what every slave should hope for?

Trust me...I am firm!


On what scale do you measure firm, soft or tolerance ?? what might be firm/soft/tolerant to one slave may not be to another ( same goes for a Master).

I agree with fate. It is also my experience that subs/ slave like and need a firm Master. Being firm does not mean you are intolerant.


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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/18/2005 7:55:16 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		I don't get it either.

The Owner has zero tolerance for disobedience.

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/18/2005 8:05:39 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		I did not understand any of this post.

Are you trying to say you are firm but tolerant?

You don't need every slave to hope for you as a Master, you only need to find the one that fulfills you to own.

I hope you will reword and repost your question :)

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/18/2005 8:28:06 PM   
Gemeni


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Exactly how does being "firm" relate to you letting yourself be walked on and disespected?

And why would you want a total idiot for a slave?

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/18/2005 11:28:39 PM   
Vancouver_cinful


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gemeni
And why would you want a total idiot for a slave?


I'm with you on this!
I am also wondering if, according to this, I'm not a submissive, after all...since personally I do "know shiat" LOL

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 6:17:20 AM   
fastlane


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Status: offline 		I apologize for the lack of clarity in this thread and after reading it again I can see why no one understands it. The point I wanted to make is this. I have heard of many Master and Mistresses alike, putting their slaves in situations that are most uncomfortable to them. There was no negotiation, just orders, to which a potential slave/submissive, ended up totally turned off to the the lifestyle. The slave was made to eat bodily waste or perhaps do a threesome, for example. There was no negotiation, just strict orders and punnishment for not obeying. Now, I certainly understand how some prefer this and want this, but not all! The one's that didn't bargain for this type of D/s relationship often end up emotionally screwed up and many leave the lifestyle. Maybe these are rare cases, when you look at the big picture, yet I have been told of them fairly frequently. Often times when a submissive contacts me, the first thing I ask about is bad experiences and limits that you do not want to exceed. I think this builds up trust and respect from the very beginning. By saying my "sub doesn't know shiat", I am also referring to newbies wanting to break in to the lifestyle and who are looking to learn the roles of the D/s relationship. These are the ones who are also the most vulnerable....in my opinion.
I hope this helps clarify my initial post. Thanks all!

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 6:25:12 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		OK I get your point, IMO it's hard to say whether it's the dominants fault for being clueless and going in too fast, or the submissives fault for being clueless and going in too fast...or if it's just poeple not being responsible in general for who they are and what they do.

But anyway, the whole limits/kinks talks IMO are best saved for the 3rd online conversation at the earliest. You have no idea how many times we are IMed with the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS "what are you wearing?" "are you a sub?" (this is particularly amusing when you have sub or slave IN YOUR SCREENNAME) "How sub are you?" "Are you looking?" "What are you into?" "What are your limits?" and a few dozen others.

The minute someone pops out with these, they are crossed off the list. So it really isn't prudent to even discuss limits and kinks to a real level until you've gotten a basic contact and connection with someone already. This is why profiles can really help, you can screen out the obvious ones.

But I'm still not sure what your post was about, or what sort of discussion you were intending to spark? On the surface it just looks like you are taking the opportunity for a forum to post how great a dom you are in hope of getting chicks to notice?

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 6:52:17 AM   
plantlady64


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quote:

The bottom line is this ..... I respect you and expect you to do nothing that degrades you to the point of no return, that's just me.
Am I as a Master/Dominat too soft on my slaves, or, am I what every slave should hope for?


Hello There,
Well-said Sir.

My Master also permits me great freedom to follow my own desires and goals. He's compassionate enough to allow me to walk the paths I feel strong enough to desire to be on.
I actually don't find my freedom a weakness of my Master at all, but the exact opposite, His Greatest Strength.
I think my Master is one of the most well rounded, strict but sweet, secure, grounded people I've ever met. He's smart enough to have clear lines of discipline laid out for me. He knows the freedom he affords me allows me to grow and improve both our lives. He's secure enough in our love and himself to be flexible unless it's one of his firm rules.
To know my rules, my limits, my freedom, and the love & discipline he affords me is one of the most awesome blessings in my life I've known.

Most of the Dom's I dated before my Master were on these odd ego trips, or had very unfair, selfish, or weak standards. My Master in his Strict but Freeing way has absolute control, but allows me to be me at the same time without suffocating me.

I think you are on the right path. You can't expect total perfection or to change someone into something they are not. Your respect of your sub actually shows your strength to me, and not a weakness in your Mastering ability. It's the Dictator/Totalitarian approach that's weak in my eyes.

Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 6:57:54 AM   
feline


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Status: offline 		I think this was an advertisment for himself. Self promotion.

Fastlane,
Welcome to CM enjoy your stay here. BTW that's what your profile is for.





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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 7:37:07 AM   
fastlane


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Status: offline 		Thank you feline, fastlane strokes softly, I liked your profile too

If I have made a statement about myself, it was not for self promoting purposes, I pay my publicist good money for that

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 8:02:27 AM   
feline


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quote:

ORIGINAL: fastlane

Thank you feline, fastlane strokes softly, I liked your profile too

If I have made a statement about myself, it was not for self promoting purposes, I pay my publicist good money for that


Why? You obviously don't need them.





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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 10:18:14 AM   
fastlane


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Status: offline 		LOL....perhaps you are right Feline, I could save my money and have my felines declawed, which would be money wisely spent.

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 11:05:00 AM   
feline


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quote:

ORIGINAL: fastlane

LOL....perhaps you are right Feline, I could save my money and have my felines declawed, which would be money wisely spent.

Oh . . . and would you have them defanged as well?






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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 11:15:28 AM   
fastlane


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Status: offline 		Only if the oral sex was bad!

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 11:55:53 AM   
feline


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ORIGINAL: fastlane

Only if the oral sex was bad!


LMAO!!! Touche'






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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 12:20:32 PM   
kisshou


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ORIGINAL: fastlane

I have heard of many Master and Mistresses alike, putting their slaves in situations that are most uncomfortable to them. There was no negotiation, just orders, to which a potential slave/submissive, ended up totally turned off to the the lifestyle.


I do not understand this part of your post. How can they be an owned slave and also a potential slave? If you want to see how an owned slave would react read the head shaving thread.

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 4:25:57 PM   
subcheryl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: fastlane

I apologize for the lack of clarity in this thread and after reading it again I can see why no one understands it. The point I wanted to make is this. I have heard of many Master and Mistresses alike, putting their slaves in situations that are most uncomfortable to them. There was no negotiation, just orders, to which a potential slave/submissive, ended up totally turned off to the the lifestyle. The slave was made to eat bodily waste or perhaps do a threesome, for example. There was no negotiation, just strict orders and punnishment for not obeying. Now, I certainly understand how some prefer this and want this, but not all! The one's that didn't bargain for this type of D/s relationship often end up emotionally screwed up and many leave the lifestyle. Maybe these are rare cases, when you look at the big picture, yet I have been told of them fairly frequently. Often times when a submissive contacts me, the first thing I ask about is bad experiences and limits that you do not want to exceed. I think this builds up trust and respect from the very beginning. By saying my "sub doesn't know shiat", I am also referring to newbies wanting to break in to the lifestyle and who are looking to learn the roles of the D/s relationship. These are the ones who are also the most vulnerable....in my opinion.
I hope this helps clarify my initial post. Thanks all!




To start off with I think this post just shows that you are a compassionate Dom, yes there are many slaves, esp. new ones who find themselves in very uncomfortable situations, and mostly due to no experiences, when I first started into the lifestyle had many contact me wanting me to be poly, eat human waste, drink pee and all. I am thankful these encounters for me where all online and I was able to ignore them after I figured out what was going on and what I was really comfortable with. My Master was great, what drew me to him was the fact he didn't thump his chest and demand things of me and such, he talked about himself shared info with me and asked me about myself, I have been with my master now 7 months and must say am not sorry that I made the choice to come to him. We are still learning about each other and about ourselves, one of the things we discovered was he is more a DaddyDom type due to his nurturing nature and yet he too is firm, and I thrive in his protectiveness and guidance and his support in areas of my life. It doesn't seem like 7 months since we started our journey, in fact master says it seems like 5 mins. to him and I hope it continues to feel that way for the two of us. So perhaps you are a DaddyDom type, you think?

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RE: Firm and tolerant - 7/19/2005 7:07:33 PM   
fastlane


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Status: offline 		Feline....de-clawed and de-fanged...you are not only HOt, but also nice...go figure?
Misshou,,,,you can not be owned and a potential? You are right, sorry, potentials should not be put in this situation, but owned, often are.
SubCheryl, Perhaps I am a Daddy/Dom......Hmmm, very interesting. I do raise two boys by myself, as my ex left me for a Vanilla type...go figure?

Anyway, I'm tired of this post, my ex and my self promotion!

Children Growing Funny....ISBN 1-4137-4712-4 available at Barnes and Noble, and bookstores everywhere...Buy my Book!.....NOW, I'M SELF PROMOTING...LOL

Kevin

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