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.man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 2:52:31 AM   
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Supermarket staff refused to sell alcohol to a white-haired 72-year-old man - because he would not confirm he was over 21.


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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 3:00:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		If a place of business actually wants to be that un-bending as far as enforcing the law, when it is obvious the man is over 21, then I think they are being stupid, and deserve to lose the sale, as well as his future business.

Their loss - because the man can simply go to another store, instead, that will sell  to him.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 3:14:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well all I can say is lets hope that store continues with it's stupidity, it may at last learn it's error of judgement with declining sales.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 5:08:54 AM   
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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 6:55:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the US and all states from what I understand it is the law.  You must show ID period.
If the store has had busts before for violations.  They were well within the law and doing exactly as they
should have done by refusing to sell to the man.

Yes, while obvious he was well over 21.  The law doesn't follow those same rules.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 7:15:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		The licencing authority can put conditions on your licence to sell alcohol if you have broken licencing rules.
For example this store may have had a history of selling alcohol to under 21's so the licencing authority has put a condition on their licence saying anyone purchasing alcohol has to provide id.
If they fail to do this they could lose their licence altogether.
As a licensee myself, better you lose one mans trade than all your trade on alcohol.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 7:17:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		He must have looked pretty good then.
When I buy alcohol in a supermarket I get offered a chair and quick drink to help me on my way !

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 8:53:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I work part time in a supermarket and we are supposed to card everybody for alcohol. I turn away a couple of sales a shift for not having ID. The store fires at least one person a month for selling without checking ID so its simply not worth the potential trouble to let anyone slide.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 9:25:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Larger the corporations the less control a person has at the bottom of the pyramid. Many polices are implemented and strictly enforced not base on anything other then to eliminate judgment from as much as possible to avoid liability.

A corporation like the OP simply looks at it for every one of these stupid ones saves ten questionable ones that could get them in deep trouble.


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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 9:27:50 AM   
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I didn't think so.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 12:00:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

The licencing authority can put conditions on your licence to sell alcohol if you have broken licencing rules.
For example this store may have had a history of selling alcohol to under 21's so the licencing authority has put a condition on their licence saying anyone purchasing alcohol has to provide id.
If they fail to do this they could lose their licence altogether.
As a licensee myself, better you lose one mans trade than all your trade on alcohol.


The UK does not yet have personal identification cards, to confirm who we are and not everyone carries a driving licence or passport around with them, (not everyone has a passport or driving license for that matter).The time will come when we do have ID cards, that I am sure,then I would have no objection to proving who I am, but until that happens,personally in a situation such as that,I would take my business elsewhere.

In the case of liquor license holders,I do understand their position,but I do feel common sense can be applied, if someone looks young,then by all means ask for proof of age,I would, but a grey haired old man,obviously looking old,then I will use my better judgement.

I have no objection to ID cards,I carried one for seven years in the armed forces.


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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 12:21:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are willing to lose your licence or your employers licence for them so be it, your choice.
I wouldnt employ you to work in my pub in that case as it would be my livelihood you would be messing with.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 12:41:08 PM   
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Supermarket staff refused to sell alcohol to a white-haired 72-year-old man - because he would not confirm he was over 21.



Must be a piss take, a foetus can get a beer in England....6, 15, 18, 21, 72...they'e only numbers..

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 12:44:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		To a certain degree you are right gent but there again the new laws have a lot more power over places selling alcohol to minors. Most places now have the challenge 21 policy running as standard, in fact i dont think i know a pub or shop that sells alcohol in my area that doesnt.
Its becoming harder to purchase alcohol under age.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 12:47:58 PM   
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I have no objection to ID cards



'Any objection to having a collar 'round your neck with your name and address on........just in case you get lost, like?

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 12:50:11 PM   
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To a certain degree you are right gent but there again the new laws have a lot more power over places selling alcohol to minors. Most places now have the challenge 21 policy running as standard, in fact i dont think i know a pub or shop that sells alcohol in my area that doesnt.
Its becoming harder to purchase alcohol under age.


'Don't know anything about this challenge 21 thing.........'been a long time since I shared a bucket of snakebite in the park with me mates, so not quite keeping my eye in on these matters......

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 12:54:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not miss my retail days just for that fact. Where I worked the policy was to ID the whole group, yup the whole group. And as I was one of few that worked the night shift that was 21 I got the pleasure of turning people away for not having an ID. But it was better then losing my job and the store getting fined, me getting a fine and so on. Things are the way they are for a reason. If the person that bought the alcohol is under age and hurts someone while intoxicated they can say where they bought the alcohol at and things will fall back on that store. Well its the same of they are of age or if they are at a party at someones house. Whoever supplied the alcohol and allowed them to leave in that state can be held resposible. I have seen it happen.

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 1:05:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

To a certain degree you are right gent but there again the new laws have a lot more power over places selling alcohol to minors. Most places now have the challenge 21 policy running as standard, in fact i dont think i know a pub or shop that sells alcohol in my area that doesnt.
Its becoming harder to purchase alcohol under age.


'Don't know anything about this challenge 21 thing.........'been a long time since I shared a bucket of snakebite in the park with me mates, so not quite keeping my eye in on these matters......


Presumption coming here but a fair one i think.
I assume you go to your local shop and buy alcohol. I presume you may go to the pub from time to time. I assume you buy alcohol full stop.
If im wrong forgive me.
However if im not you cannot fail to see challenge 21 it is so in your face. Posters, badges etc etc etc.
Sharing a snakebite with your mates in the park you would not notice challenge 21. Going to a shop, pub etc you would. Are you blind man?

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 2:53:59 PM   
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If you are willing to lose your licence or your employers licence for them so be it, your choice.
I wouldnt employ you to work in my pub in that case as it would be my livelihood you would be messing with.


Why would there be a risk of losing a liquor licence, do you not think most people can tell if a man with grey hair, walking stick and obvious ageing of the skin is likely to be over eighteen?

Your pub,do you hold a policy of regularly ID checking all new commers that visit your establishment regardless of how old they look and for that matter,do you know the ages of your regulars,have they been checked?

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RE: .man refused alcohol. - 9/20/2007 3:03:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		when I worked as a server in a restaurant I carded EVERYBODY. I got stupid looks from older gentlemen and sly grins from the older ladies, not one person under 21 got liquor, and I kept my job and money.

the US government has cracked down on underaged drinking. I would be damn sure all my staff did the same if I sold alcahol. I would run internal audits to check, have a 19-25 year old that looked much older to try to buy alcahol. Fire anyone that didnt comply

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