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American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 12:53:23 PM   
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This even surprised me!


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What if anything can be done about this?  Comments anyone?






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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 2:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really Real, if that surprised you, you desperately need a subscription to the American Free Press. And you have missed so much, Rabbi Wiess, HR4230, the poop on DU weapons. All kinds of stuff. The fact that we are squandering our military superiority, dead civilians. It's all in there.

And by free they do not mean free of charge, in fact it is not really cheap, just worth it. In the short stuff section at the beginning they try to include one "good gun control" and I like the "Did They Really Say That ?". They also publish letters critical of their own publication on occasion.

The only downside is some of their advertising. The guy with the water and the wave machine that cure everything.

Incidentally, nationally syndicated columnist Charlie Reese is a regular in that paper, and Ron Paul writes as well, many of Paul's pieces being titled "Straight Talk", but not always. There are other mainstream media people who occasionally contribute, that is when they are not afraid.

It's run by Christopher Petherick, and he is not the type to back down to pressure. He has been threatened by the ADL, and I suspect a recent incident may have been perpetrated against them by the JDL. Ever heard of the JDL ? If you didn't blink you might've caught it on the mainstream media, they got busted with all kinds of explosives, and have gotten caught breaking into government buildings stealing data.

But you can't blink and not miss this on the mainstream media, which is exactly what your little video describes. And unfortunately, every fucking word of that video is true. What's more, the AFP is always rebuffed in the sense that establishment sources do as little as possible to support their efforts. But they keep on getting proven correct on issue after issue. (I mean issue as in situation, not a certain week's edition)

Real, I am going to send you a quick mail with a website, it will blow your mind. Actually, it is depressing. But if you, like Jefferson, want the truth no matter how ugly, you will love it.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 2:18:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, the answer is not much can be done. A large part of the press is manipulated one way or the other. Maybe the only way is to restrict who can own what outlets, as well as the amount of outlets they can own. The problem with that is it interferes with the freedom of the press. As with everything else, money talks, very few newspapers will print stories that will lose them money through advertising revenue.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 2:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		That film itself is pure propaganda, "Real"

To fall for that you first have to hate the West, and you also have to believe that Israel is the only organization that's ever hired a P.R. firm, or issued press releases, or that has ever wined and dined reporters.

A VERY anti-Israeli piece of work, and again - it's pure propaganda.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 3:47:33 PM   
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That film itself is pure propaganda, "Real"

To fall for that you first have to hate the West, and you also have to believe that Israel is the only organization that's ever hired a P.R. firm, or issued press releases, or that has ever wined and dined reporters.

A VERY anti-Israeli piece of work, and again - it's pure propaganda.



Which part or parts are propaganda?  

What parts tipped you off?

How can you tell what part(s) are true about israeal and what parts are not?


I am trying to figure out what I missed and may have fallen for?





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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 3:53:34 PM   
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Sadly, the answer is not much can be done. A large part of the press is manipulated one way or the other. Maybe the only way is to restrict who can own what outlets, as well as the amount of outlets they can own. The problem with that is it interferes with the freedom of the press. As with everything else, money talks, very few newspapers will print stories that will lose them money through advertising revenue.

Edited for spelling error


If that video is remotely true then it seems to me manipulated is really an understatement and the press outright lies!


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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 3:58:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		For that to be a SouthPark spoof, all you would have to do is animate it - it's that bad. The whole damn thing... I suppose that if you're really, really desperate for a reason to hate Jewish people then that film will give you warm fuzziesup the yin-yang, but otherwise it's awfully transparent race baiting, my friend.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 3:58:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		There have been lies in the press since papers were first issued. Whats new about that ? I really think some reporters don`t see they are being spoonfed stories, they are too happy with the fact they have an " Inside" source.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 4:10:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Israel could do no right during the last conflict, and Hezbollah could do no wrong - that is, according to the big three. Any fantasies that the Media is bought and paid for by Jews is just that, pure fantasy.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 4:11:17 PM   
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For that to be a SouthPark spoof, all you would have to do is animate it - it's that bad. The whole damn thing... I suppose that if you're really, really desperate for a reason to hate Jewish people then that film will give you warm fuzziesup the yin-yang, but otherwise it's awfully transparent race baiting, my friend.


Race baiting?   How so? 

Whats different from looking at israel under the microscope or iraq? afghanastan? or even the us of a?  I dont get it?   How is it different from talking about the us and waco?

Sorry I cannot realate to southpark is that a cartoon or something?

I dont have a reason to hate anyone nor do i need or want one.  However I do like to get accurate news and I do like to get down to the bottom of things and I think you for your explanation however you didnt answer even one of my questions.

What if that film is true?  Then what?    

It seems to me you made the statement that is is all propaganda the least you can do is help me understand why you believe and what you use to support your position?

Thats fair isnt it?  Does asking a simple question make me a jew hater?




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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 4:19:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		You've never seen SouthPark? Seriously? What planet are you from. And why do I owe it to you to spend my entire life trying to illustratie the obvious for you.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 4:30:03 PM   
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You've never seen SouthPark? Seriously? What planet are you from. And why do I owe it to you to spend my entire life trying to illustratie the obvious for you.


yeh man sorry.  Have you watched the road to gitmo?  I have seen that one.  i am not big on aniumated anythign comedy or otherwise frankly.  well except bugs bunny maybe.

No of course not you dont owe me anything at all.  Its just people usually have reasons for sayint the things they do and I have found nothing to support what you said thats all.

In fact I got: 

Results 1 - 10 of about 60,400 for Hasbara+project. (0.05 seconds)

hits that seem to disagree with you so can you blame me for at least asking?


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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 4:33:20 PM   
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There have been lies in the press since papers were first issued. Whats new about that ? I really think some reporters don`t see they are being spoonfed stories, they are too happy with the fact they have an " Inside" source.



If everything is fake how do we know whats real?


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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 5:14:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

There have been lies in the press since papers were first issued. Whats new about that ? I really think some reporters don`t see they are being spoonfed stories, they are too happy with the fact they have an " Inside" source.



If everything is fake how do we know whats real?



And there lies the rub...Everyone then has to decide whats real for them.

I know you`re real.... Your name says so

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 5:16:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mybe there really wasnt 16000 dead and israel really did not try to cover it up?

Does anyone have any data to support what samity is talking about?   I would like to get to the bottom of this if possible and since sanity can only give me southpark as a reference that really does not do me much good.


Ithink there is even a greater problem here and that is how bad will the news get to deceive us? 


What if anything can we do about it?




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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/21/2007 5:36:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		During the Nixon years, the press did their job.  They found sources.  They published results.

What we find during AnencephalyBoy's reign of error is that most American media sources have been bullied into a cowed silence because any attempt to discuss anything the current administration would find controversial has meant that all sources from the US Government have been totally cut to the news organization in question.

One of the things I find so interesting about Rolling Stone.  Their reporters are still able to have meaningful conversations with people like Tom Tancredo even with the anti-Neo-con idiocy stance of the interviewers, or Stephen Colbert getting asked to host the White House Correspondents Dinner.  Perhaps all that is really required to provide meaningful news is to grow a set of cajones big enough to ask hard questions.

While I find Faux Noise to be idiotic and Rupert Murdoch to be somewhat amusing as he pontificates his hypocrisy, the problem is deeper than that.  This administration has successfully silenced the Fourth Estate by denying them access to the information and the means to pass along their message.  The only thing really left would be the internet, which is why they are going after freedom of speech in cyberspace.

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/22/2007 6:19:06 AM   
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And IIRC, the sources often found the press in the Nixon years...

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RE: American Media - Occupied Territory - 9/22/2007 6:50:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did someone say "excuse to hate Jews ?".

First of all define hate. But before we get to that childish emotion which serves no purpose let's define who the fuck we are talking about.

Jews have very little to do with what the government of Israel does, it is run by Zionists. Zionists are not Jews in any sense of the word, they have absolutely no diety period, and only give that impression to satisfy the real Jews. The ones who live there, work there, demonstrate against the government or go to jail for refusing to "serve" again in the occupied territories. But largely, they get Jews to serve them. But not all.

Zionists do not consider anyone but themselves human, and the real Jews are just as expendable as the rest of us.

There are what people call Zionist Christians, an oxymoron if I ever heard one. The televangelists supporting Israel's occupation and subjugation of the Palestinians. With their distorted view, they believe somehow that Palestinians are not God's creatures and can be killed at will. Real Jews do not think that way, and as much as they may have prejudices and whatever like the rest of us, are generally opposed to genoicide, which is the goal of the Zionists. More and more Jews are beginning to see this and that the Zionists are running rampant, and the goal is not biblical.

Rabbi Weiss can tell you all about it. Do you want the picture of him demonstrating in NYC with a sign that says "Zionism is not Judaism" ? I have it.

I have no general dislike for Jews, they might be misled, but if they are really Jews, they are usually decent people. The media and government and who knows who else wants to tie any criticism of the Israeli government's actions to antisemitism. This is simply not true. The two are completely seperate issues.

What's more, Jews are not the only semites, even the word seems to be not understandable anymore. And I am not sure, but I don't think Zionists are even Semites at all. From what I've heard, the Zionists came from the Khazar region and made friends with the Jews, and then stole the show.

If you are a Jew, can you say that the government of Israel has acted responsibly and morally ? Really ?

But wait, can a Christian say that the government of the US has acted responsibly and morally ? I know a guy who voted for Bush because Kerry was a baby killer, I wonder what he thinks now.

White, Black, Jew, Arab, it is us against them. The races and creeds of tyrants runs the gamut, as do the people they oppress. The King of Saudi Arabia is not a Jew, yet he runs the country within the approval of the Zionists as well as the assholes here and in England.

We need a new word, Jew just doesn't fit. Perhaps it did at one time, but no more. Given the chance, every Man would be a dictator (Protocols), and that is true. Saddam took the ride up, then he took the ride down. To the Zionists, all this shit happening in the middle east is nothing more than a bit of redistricting.

Jews understand this, I am not against you, but please realize the atrocities comitted in your name. We are the same, just know this, there is as much blood on your hands as there is on mine. We can't stop this shit, you can't stop this shit. So it goes on.

People just don't see, there is a ruling class and the rest of us. That is all. They are precious and we are expendable. I hope we all wake up before it is too late.

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