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CelticPrince -> preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 5:28:56 PM)

a question that invites thoughtful responses.

In r/t D/s relationships, what is the best way in your experiences, from either side of the slash, to prevent the relationship from slipping back to vanilla?

Ponder that if you will!

CP




siamsa24 -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 5:33:05 PM)

Why would you want to prevent it if is comes naturally? If it is a struggle to stay in "r/t D/s" relationships then why make your relationship a struggle? That only puts strain on the people involved.

Maybe I'm not getting the question, but if a relationship is a constant struggle then it isn't going to last a long time (in my opinion and experiences)




Kinkypupper -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 5:38:32 PM)

To slip into a total 100% vanilla I do not think its possable..
To become "Familiar" and "comfortable" with a relationship that it has many "examples" of a vanilla relationship is not a bad thing..
One cannot live in a TOTAL 24/7 bdsm relationship for years at a time.




dominmd -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 7:20:30 PM)

It would probably be normal for realtionships to exibit traits of both lifestyles during its duration. I would say it is more healthy to go with the flow and be happy.




domtimothy46176 -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 7:30:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kinkypupper

To slip into a total 100% vanilla I do not think its possable..
To become "Familiar" and "comfortable" with a relationship that it has many "examples" of a vanilla relationship is not a bad thing..
One cannot live in a TOTAL 24/7 bdsm relationship for years at a time.



I think it depends on one's definition of what constitutes 24/7 bdsm relationships. While the floggings or whatnot may not be engaged in all the time, the recognition of who and what we are isn't something that waxes and wanes.
In response to the OP, I try to not take toy's service for granted. I find that if I allow myself to become so engaged in the mundane details of life that I fail to respond to her service appropriately, I upset the balance of our household. It's often an intangible difference, as she continues to serve well, but the atmosphere becomes less than it should be, more hollow, perhaps.
Were she other than she is, I can imagine she might withdraw her service at such times, in a tit-for-tat type of exchange until I once again began to pay attention to the running of the household. I could, in such an instance, see the possibility of things fading into a more vanilla-style dynamic. One would presume that the solution lie in not allowing preoccupation to initiate such a chain reaction in the first place.
I agree, however, with siamsa's POV. If it's that much work, perhaps the parties are striving for an unnatural level of D/s. I don't aspire to have more control than I am comfortable wielding on a constant level. I'm too lazy to bite off more than I can comfortably chew and I never want to have to actually work at being consistent with toy. I want it to flow naturally because it's who and what I am. I owe her that honest reaction.
Good topic, looking forward to reading others' opinions.
Timothy




MistressFire70 -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 8:08:09 PM)

This same way you keep any relationship going: by work and attention. Anything will wither and die without attention.

Fire




ScooterTrash -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 8:52:51 PM)

I think in any D/s or M/s relationship you will see a glimpse of "nilla" on occasion and since we do have to function in a predominantly vanilla environment, I would think that's understandable. In our case, with us being a Dominant couple, I know we would exhibit many "nilla" tendencies, particularly to outsiders (which sometimes is a good thing) when it's just us. I'm sure if they heard some of our conversations that may change, but the appearance may seem innocent (OK, maybe we never appear quite innocent..lol). But when a submissive is with us, that changes somewhat, but even then, in public, we can still drift that way when the need arises. Like a previous poster said, it's not all BDSM 24/7. But I don't know that anyone who is active in BDSM, could ever drift all the way back to "nilla" and if they did, well perhaps it really wasn't for them. I think it's healthy to have a mix of both, sort of makes you remember why we do, what we do.




Faramir -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/20/2005 9:11:29 PM)

If D/s and SM are your intimacy, you can't backslide - it's your natural state.

I think it makes sense to talk about how to keep a D/s realtionship healthy - how to meet needs so that both the "D" and the "s" can express who they are. I don't think it makes sense to ask how to keep from sliding back into vanilla. Do you ask as a straight person, "How do I keep from sliding back into being gay?"




sub4hire -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/21/2005 2:31:27 PM)

quote:

It would probably be normal for realtionships to exibit traits of both lifestyles during its duration. I would say it is more healthy to go with the flow and be happy.


I totally agree with this. I know in my own relationship we have vanilla days and some real kinky days. It just depends on what is going on today. How we both are feeling...etc.
That's what makes a relationship last is by having both types.




dominmd -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/22/2005 7:03:21 PM)

I have found that there is a balance between both sides especially with a woman whom I meet when she is vanilla. I must also state from experience with my friends, that none are all the way vanilla. Some are kinky to one degree or another.

Let's say I meet a woman that is vanilla. I introduce her to kink at a very slow pace and we find that we can only go to a moderate level. I am happy with this, as my needs would be fullfilled as would hers. If our relationship is more in the vanilla realm, I am happy with that. If the relationship follows or begins to follow a more bdsm route, I am ok with this too.




siamsa24 -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/22/2005 8:49:06 PM)

quote:

I must also state from experience with my friends, that none are all the way vanilla. Some are kinky to one degree or another.



I am starting to think that it is on a sliding scale, rather like sexuality and things like that...




CalliopePurple -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/22/2005 8:59:28 PM)

I agree with you completely, siamsa. I see pretty much everything in the world on a sliding scale, but especially the "big" things - sexuality, gender, level of kink, goodness.




siamsa24 -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/22/2005 9:05:33 PM)

Ah, thank you. I just got home from a 10 hour work day and couldn't think of any more examples




IronBear -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/22/2005 10:22:12 PM)

I'd prefer to see the "scale" within a relationship as being fluid. I guess it would probably look something like a variable sine wave on a graph. Changes of intensity and frequence occur regularly but not evenly. But that's life isn't it?




Mercnbeth -> RE: preventing vanilla! (7/23/2005 7:31:13 AM)

quote:

to prevent the relationship from slipping back to vanilla?


our relationship did not start as "vanilla", so there isn't anything to "slip back" to. neither this slave nor Master was looking for a vanilla relationship when we found each other, (thank God) and the times we have to "act" vanilla are over fairly quickly!




CelticPrince -> RE: preventing vanilla! (8/2/2005 1:51:09 PM)

siamsa,

I did not mean to imply that it was a struggle, but rather how to insure that it does not become a struggle.

To enter into a D/s relationship r/t is an expression of a mutual want.

Thanks for your thoughts

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: preventing vanilla! (8/2/2005 1:54:25 PM)

Phil,

it is a question of moderation, I understand that. But at some point the scales tip and the relationship becomes valilla with a little kink.

I have seen it eventually erode to a broken relationship.

Thanks for your thoughts.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: preventing vanilla! (8/2/2005 1:56:35 PM)

Merc & beth,

You tow have found the secret, lol but without sharing it.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: preventing vanilla! (8/2/2005 1:59:06 PM)

Bear,

grins, a sine wave huh?

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: preventing vanilla! (8/2/2005 2:04:44 PM)

dominmd,

Your a very flexable "D" indeed.

thanks for your input.

CP




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