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spateful -> How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/20/2005 7:50:34 PM)

Well this topic is about crossing the line I guess you can say.

Im not going to beat around the bush, so I will just say it. I feed on other peoples pain and sadness. Im am not just talking about inflicting pyhsical pain upon one person, but also inflicting mental pain on them. I love to see a person in tears. I have been called sadistic. I have had ex's tell me they cant "play" with me cause I always cross the line. Once I get started I cant stop. I love to find out a persons fears and use them against them just to see complete and utter confusion and sadness in their eyes.

I dont know if its ok to be like this. I dont know if I should just stay away from people all together or I need something to help me.

I have been like this since I was 15, but have only known about this scene for the past 4 years.

Any feedback would be greatly appriecated.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/20/2005 7:58:24 PM)

I would find out where it comes from and make sure that you can respond appropriately when you need to- meaning that you can rein it in when you need to.

Otherwise, find yourself a bottom who can take it as deep as you can dish it out.




FangsNfeet -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/20/2005 8:53:40 PM)

As much as you like to know ones fears, don't you also want to know about what makes them happy? When it comes to a D/s relationship, there's usually a line or two that shouldn't be crossed. Otherwise you're only being an Abuser and not a Dom. After all, how can you be a Dom if you can't Dominate yourself? Dominating yourself envolves being able to stop and doing so.

Since you seem well versed in reading people and figureing them out, you should consider when they have had enough. After all, is it truely your goal to put someone through so much Hell that they end up having to recive therapy and take psychiatric medication? Strugleing, crying, and yelling "NO! Stop!" dosen't stop me from doing a session but I do pay attention to other things in movement and lack of reponse to things that would normally cause my pet to jump. I suggest that you learn how to read such signs about enough being enough so that you can and will stop yourself. After all, when you learn to stop it usually keeps the other person comming back for more to go the next step as they begin to feel more comfortable with it. So remember that the trick is to leave them wanting to come back for more.
Also consider the golden rule. Don't dish out what you can't take yourself. That will help you in not crossing the line.

I don't think you need to stay away from ppl all together. Just a little redirection. In your profile, be sure to say what kind of sadist you are and how you seek those who really feel they are ready take on your torture and mind fucking abilitities. So your a Heart Breaker. That's life and just about everyone has atleast one of those in there past. Perhaps you are one of those ppl such as myself who do bad things in the name of good. However, I see in your post that your X's are leaving you instead of you leaving them. In that case, it's about time that you start to listen to more than just there fears and dislikes and begin to act on that a little more as well. A BDSM relationship like any other is an equation or juggleing act that needs balance. Atleast for the most part.

Also start thinking about your career. Perhaps becoming a CIA interogator is in your future.






Lordandmaster -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/20/2005 9:06:10 PM)

I have a LOT to say about this, mostly from personal experience, but first I need to know what you mean by the two sentences I quoted below. What is "crossing the line"? And what is it exactly that you can't stop once you start?

Lam

quote:

ORIGINAL: spateful

I have had ex's tell me they cant "play" with me cause I always cross the line. Once I get started I cant stop.





pinkpleasures -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 8:03:04 AM)

quote:

I feed on other peoples pain and sadness. Im am not just talking about inflicting pyhsical pain upon one person, but also inflicting mental pain on them. I love to see a person in tears. I have been called sadistic. I have had ex's tell me they cant "play" with me cause I always cross the line. Once I get started I cant stop. I love to find out a persons fears and use them against them just to see complete and utter confusion and sadness in their eyes.

spateful


Well, if i understand You correctly, then You are a garden-variety abuser. You can call the Victim's Assistance Services in Your county and ask for help; such as Anger Management or Group Therapy. The help may be unavailable without a pending court case; if so, You are welcome to contact me and i can guide You to other resources.

Just because You are an abuser and not a sadist does not dimish Your worth; with help You can lead a safe and happy life. However, the motivation to change must come from You.

Again..Emerald..telling an abusive man to find a victim is not great advice.

pinkpleasures

p.s. i assumed a great deal in answering You; so if i assumed incorrectly, my apologies and please disregard my post.




Faramir -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 8:11:46 AM)

Wow - we have a lot of licensed mental health professionals in here.




RiotGirl -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 8:23:17 AM)

i know isnt it great? i swear i love coming here and having literal strangers, who dont even know the sound of my voice, or dont even know anything but what they see here, who dont even know me well enough to know that nothing is ever straight forward with me





pinkpleasures -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 10:32:07 AM)

quote:

i know isnt it great? i swear i love coming here and having literal strangers, who dont even know the sound of my voice, or dont even know anything but what they see here, who dont even know me well enough to know that nothing is ever straight forward with me

Riot Girl



Riot Girl; i said in my post that IF i understood Spateful properly what He was describing was not sadism but rather abuse. Based on that ASSUMPTION, i offered Him avenues for helping Himself, which He seemed to be asking for. i ended my post by saing if my ASSUMPTIONS were incorrect i apologised and my post should be disregarded.

No, i am not a mental health professional. However, i representated battered women in court as my free legal work for years. In that capacity i did acquire some working knowledge of the characteristics of abusive men. This is the platform my opinion.



quote:

Im not going to beat around the bush, so I will just say it. I feed on other peoples pain and sadness. Im am not just talking about inflicting pyhsical pain upon one person, but also inflicting mental pain on them. I love to see a person in tears. I have been called sadistic. I have had ex's tell me they cant "play" with me cause I always cross the line. Once I get started I cant stop. I love to find out a persons fears and use them against them just to see complete and utter confusion and sadness in their eyes.

I dont know if its ok to be like this. I dont know if I should just stay away from people all together or I need something to help me.

Spateful



So, Riot Girl, W/we were asked for O/our opinions and i gave mine, along with acceptance and assistance in the event that my opinion is of any validity.

i hope i have met the criteria that should apply for offering assistance on the boards.

pinkpleasures




AAkasha -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 10:38:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: spateful

Well this topic is about crossing the line I guess you can say.

Im not going to beat around the bush, so I will just say it. I feed on other peoples pain and sadness. Im am not just talking about inflicting pyhsical pain upon one person, but also inflicting mental pain on them. I love to see a person in tears. I have been called sadistic. I have had ex's tell me they cant "play" with me cause I always cross the line. Once I get started I cant stop. I love to find out a persons fears and use them against them just to see complete and utter confusion and sadness in their eyes.

I dont know if its ok to be like this. I dont know if I should just stay away from people all together or I need something to help me.

I have been like this since I was 15, but have only known about this scene for the past 4 years.

Any feedback would be greatly appriecated.


I don't think anyone has asked this question -- Do you get off on the sadism and abuse of another person even if they didn't ask for it? Do you enjoy hurting people in a way that they don't know you are doing it intentionally?

Do you ever feel guilt, or think you went too far? Has someone ever said "Stop!" and meant it, and you did not or could not?

Do you enjoy hurting anyone, regardless of your relationship with them? If they are a total stranger? Do you enjoy hurting animals or just people?

Your post was a little vague.

Akasha




TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 10:45:20 AM)

I think the question you are asking is asked by anyone who is worried that an action or activity may be harmful. A person drinks to much when their drinking interferes with their lives in other ways (DUI, fired from a job, etc).

Does your sociopathology interefere with your life? Have people gone to the police? Do they pack their bags and leave for good? Have you lost a job or otherwise been negatively effected by your behavior? If not, you are probably ok, but should be on constant vigalence for these things.

As someone who is a bit of a sociopath myself, I am constantly monitoring my life to make sure my lack of empathy isn't causing unwanted consequences.

Hope that helps...

Taggard




stormsfate -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 10:58:09 AM)

quote:

i said in my post that IF i understood Spateful properly what He was describing was not sadism but rather abuse.


Actually, he described a sadist quite well. Fortunately, most of the sadist we (collectively) enjoy playing with do not take it past consensual activities and are in control of themselves...which is what the OP is asking about.

FYI, one dictionary's definition of the word "sadist" is:

quote:

1. The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
3. Extreme cruelty.


best regards,
fate




onceburned -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 11:06:39 AM)

Akasha's questions are good ones. We really need to know more information about your life before we can give advice.




Gemeni -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 11:56:05 AM)

If it is ruining your happiness-seek therapy to get over it.

If it is destroying others and you see no reason to get over it-enjoy being alone.

Choose one.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 1:06:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures
Well, if i understand You correctly, then You are a garden-variety abuser. You can call the Victim's Assistance Services in Your county and ask for help; such as Anger Management or Group Therapy. The help may be unavailable without a pending court case; if so, You are welcome to contact me and i can guide You to other resources.
pinkpleasures
For what it's worth Pink, I thought the same thing when I read his post. I didn't reply because I didn't want to incur the wrath you have in stating your opinion (which in retrospect, was spineless of me).
The reason I thought that was his own statements about feeding on other people's pain, and nowhere in there inserting that he is attracted to people who enjoy pain/crying; he also doesn't say that he reveals these tendencies before playing, so that if it goes too far, she at least had some idea what was coming, and didn't leave crying because he was simply rougher than she'd anticipated.
quote:

I feed on other peoples pain and sadness. Im am not just talking about inflicting pyhsical pain upon one person, but also inflicting mental pain on them. I love to see a person in tears. I have been called sadistic. I have had ex's tell me they cant "play" with me cause I always cross the line. Once I get started I cant stop. I love to find out a persons fears and use them against them just to see complete and utter confusion and sadness in their eyes.

I dont know if its ok to be like this. I dont know if I should just stay away from people all together or I need something to help me.

I have been like this since I was 15, but have only known about this scene for the past 4 years.

Any feedback would be greatly appriecated.

Of course we could be wrong (we need more info from the OP; but if BDSM/RACK is about sane and consensual mutual pleasure, than imposing one's will/desire on anyone without first obtaining their consent is wrong and in fact illegal. M




Lordandmaster -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 3:25:12 PM)

This is shaping up to be one of those threads where some newbie walks in, drops a turd, and never comes back to see who responded, while the rest of us devolve to squabbling.




LadyJulieAnn -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 5:03:56 PM)

spateful,

I think if you are asking yourself those questions, then you are realizing that there is a problem. Some of us in this lifestyle enjoy making a sub uncomfortable, or even causing pain. The difference is that it is done in a controlled and safe manner. If you feel you are losing control and that you get to the point where you want to break someone without wanting to build them back up afterwards, I would encourage you to look deeper and seek some professional assistance to sort out your feelings.

Be well,
Julie




MstrHellsFury -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/21/2005 6:23:44 PM)

on this topic I won't even read what anyone else says in response...this comes right to your question.... I say it's not even in the ballpark of the sadist..even a sadist has control of what he/she does...this is abuse..by any other name it's still the same....get help to learn how to control the level of your actions or inflict this on yourself not others...


Fury




spateful -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/22/2005 6:53:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Do you ever feel guilt, or think you went too far? Has someone ever said "Stop!" and meant it, and you did not or could not?

Do you enjoy hurting anyone, regardless of your relationship with them? If they are a total stranger? Do you enjoy hurting animals or just people?

Your post was a little vague.

Akasha




Well let me first off start saying that I do not go on my computer everyday.

Now I will clarify a few things. When I am with someone I lay out on the table who I am and what I find to be "sexually gratifing". At that point I find out what they are into and what not. When I say that I go to far, I mean that I travel beyond what they enjoy and the second they say the "word" I stop, I end the session. I have a mental black out I guess you can say. But the second I hear the "word" and come back. I feel guilty and make he/she comfortable and walk into another room and cry myself. Which I find sexually gratifing itself. Not once did a person go to the cops or ask me to seek help. No one has packed up and just left. It ends just like any normal breakup that goes on between two people. They have all told me that I am more then they thought they could handle. And I am actually very good friends with all of them til this day. I dont go out and seek to hurt people that I do not know.And I would never hurt an animal in any way or form. I have a few myself and they are everything to me.

As far as having the pain inflicted on myself well I can take it. Ill cry or laugh. Ill talk back and make fun of the person who is inflicting the pain. I love when things that really kill me are screamed at me.

Ill give you an example to where I want to far. An ex of mine told me her fears and phobias. One phobia she had was a dirty bathroom tub. So I blindfolded her and stood her in the tub and tied her up(she ok'd what I was doing) and then I turned out the light and took off her blind fold. I then flicted on the light and she took a look at the tub I hadnt cleaned in a month. Soap scum, empty shampoo bottles, lime on the chome shower head, etc etc. She cried and yelled please stop. The sec she said stop I untied her and brought her to a clean tub and washed her.

I hope I have explained myself fully. I will answer any other questions that might be asked. I would also like to point out that I do not lead a lonely life. I have friends and family.




AAkasha -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/22/2005 8:25:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: spateful


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Do you ever feel guilt, or think you went too far? Has someone ever said "Stop!" and meant it, and you did not or could not?

Do you enjoy hurting anyone, regardless of your relationship with them? If they are a total stranger? Do you enjoy hurting animals or just people?

Your post was a little vague.

Akasha




Well let me first off start saying that I do not go on my computer everyday.

Now I will clarify a few things. When I am with someone I lay out on the table who I am and what I find to be "sexually gratifing". At that point I find out what they are into and what not. When I say that I go to far, I mean that I travel beyond what they enjoy and the second they say the "word" I stop, I end the session. I have a mental black out I guess you can say. But the second I hear the "word" and come back. I feel guilty and make he/she comfortable and walk into another room and cry myself. Which I find sexually gratifing itself. Not once did a person go to the cops or ask me to seek help. No one has packed up and just left. It ends just like any normal breakup that goes on between two people. They have all told me that I am more then they thought they could handle. And I am actually very good friends with all of them til this day. I dont go out and seek to hurt people that I do not know.And I would never hurt an animal in any way or form. I have a few myself and they are everything to me.

As far as having the pain inflicted on myself well I can take it. Ill cry or laugh. Ill talk back and make fun of the person who is inflicting the pain. I love when things that really kill me are screamed at me.

Ill give you an example to where I want to far. An ex of mine told me her fears and phobias. One phobia she had was a dirty bathroom tub. So I blindfolded her and stood her in the tub and tied her up(she ok'd what I was doing) and then I turned out the light and took off her blind fold. I then flicted on the light and she took a look at the tub I hadnt cleaned in a month. Soap scum, empty shampoo bottles, lime on the chome shower head, etc etc. She cried and yelled please stop. The sec she said stop I untied her and brought her to a clean tub and washed her.

I hope I have explained myself fully. I will answer any other questions that might be asked. I would also like to point out that I do not lead a lonely life. I have friends and family.


It sounds like your main problems are with communication. First, you aren't getting real answers out of your submissive partners regarding what they think they can handle if they tell you up front what they can handle and then later end the relationship because they can't. There needs to be ongoing communication to discuss limits and comfort levels.

The next communication problem is after the BDSM ends. It sounds like your subs take as much as they can and have to make you stop (which can be pretty traumatic for the sub), and then for you to leave and go into another room and have your own meltdown is probably extremely difficult for them. Most subs need time together with their dominant to decompress as well, and in a situation where they had to make you stop, they're probably feeling a ton of emotions. Left alone in that state they might feel rejected, like a failure, alone, etc.

The other communication issue is during the play itself. If you "black out" emotionally during the BDSM you are not in a position to emotionally connect with your partner and read their mental state. They also might feel this lack of connection. A good dominant can push limits because they get in tune with their partner and know when to stop, or slow down, *before* a submissive has to use a safeword. If you just go into another world and the sub keeps trying, without success, to give clues (consciously or subconsciously) of their distrress, they may feel unsafe.

The phobia play you talked about --- difficult to say without knowing more. The subs I have been with have had phobias, but I never used them unless it was very clear up front. Phobias are often "off limits". I can imagine that a sub who had a 'disconnected' emotional dominant might have a melt down with play like that which is very personal.

Perhaps you need to work on your communication skills -- I think that's the main part. Just my opinion.
Akasha




imtempting -> RE: How does one know if he/she needs to control themselves (7/22/2005 8:31:17 AM)

I think you need some professional help before this gets out of hand. If it affects all aspects of your life then id get help fast.




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