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America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 6:40:03 PM

MasDom

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Lately I just miss all the real protesters
who had a point.

See...
Back when I was a kid, their were all these made in America stickers.
Just their for when shit like this came up!
Now people would rather keep buying from the Chinese,
As their own lives turn slowly into the grapes of wrath..

Its all just depressing lately..

Like a downward spiral for the entire world.
The news becoming apocalyptic as storms kill,
And wreak havoc leaving people homeless..

They even say that in 10 to 100 years the ocean
will rise one meter period.
      No stopping it!...

They also say that a lot of cities and buildings
will go under water soon.
   Most of the bordering costs just flooded..

Its all just like going down with the ship, as a
million questions fill my troubled mind..
     Things like...

I just wounder why even as we realize global warming is real,
their still isn't some decent option
to gas driven engines..

Why we didn't impeach or cast out the bad apples sooner in our government.

How many soldiers have to die before they allow dragon skin Armour as an option..

What the fuck is up with that Colombia school attracting racist assholes who want to talk publicly.

So I looked at it all, and then thought about it.
Thought about it long and hard..

Truth is...Were all pistol whipped, and tamed lately!..
Really theirs no government who gives a shit about us.

In fact all the times anything made a real impact
or difference was through protest..

Safe sex aids..Woman protestor...

Womans sufferage....

Equality between races....

Shit, even our founding fathers......

I had come to realize that its people like us who
keep things connected...

People who dream of mass transit plans to
relieve congestion and car usuage...

People like us who keep the government
in check, And people like us who suffer enough to actually gauge the issues at hand...

How ever were are we now?...
Grapes of Wrath bitches..

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 7:18:21 PM

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 7:46:54 PM

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You make a compelling point. I thought as I travelled i80 how jobs are GONE. I wondered if Ohio was worse the Michigan.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 8:05:36 PM

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In large part a lot of it is due to Presidents, Senators, and Congressmen who vote for the things that the big contributors to their campaigns want not what's good for the country as a whole.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 8:57:47 PM

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In large part a lot of it is due to Presidents, Senators, and Congressmen who vote for the things that the big contributors to their campaigns want not what's good for the country as a whole.

It has nothing to do with Politics it has everything to do with people bitching and not acting. Hell even the modern protester comes out shows there face, buys a Hillary Obama sticker and goes home feeling like they accomplished something. They won't run themselves, they wont found special interest groups, and they sure as hell wont work in a industry that supports there point of view.

Not to mention the millions of hypocrites that sit and drive cars around, wining about the possible global warming. Well the planet it is warming, and as much as many of you claim to know the effects are man made no one looks at the history of the industrial revolution when pollution was 10 times as bad. These are the same people that buy a environmentally friendly hybrid, drive it in city traffic, and pollute just as bad as most cars these days.

Personally I am sick the wining, and tired of the half ass excuse for "knowledge brought to the table." People blinding hating a war that they claim knowledge in, but have done so little research on they can't even tell me what the first WMD used on US troops was. They never can tell me the difference between a Private Contractor, a mercenary, a FOB but claim knowledge about a war they watch on TV and suck the bloggers trash up as if it was the gospel of Mark.

Yeah both sides of the story are full of idiots and morons from people claiming Hillary is a lesbian, to people now claiming Saddam never ever(through out his history) had any WMD's. Hell I always here about how Osama was trained by the CIA when the CIA had little to no contact with his organization, and were almost never in Afghanistan (bank rolling is a different story).

People are ignorant, and claim knowledge they just don't have. The US isn't full of hypocrites its full of ignorant jackasses who see the world through a myopic fishbowl of a existence.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 9:34:12 PM

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Dont hold back, say what you feel.

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p.s. I can actually answer all the questions you pose, but attempting to convince somebody who has buried his head in the concrete to avoid the reality of global politics and the idiocy inflicted by the PNAC is a waste of my time. Enjoy the blue pill.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 10:25:16 PM

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The OP is compelling. Fuck grammar, I am thinking of making a song out of it.

I'm thinking G,B, A, D, something like that.

I'll get back to you on it.

T

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 10:58:19 PM

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Someone mentioned complaining and a mode of complacency. A proactive thing all can do- [yes I have] replace all [but decorative] lightbulbs with the new energy efficient flourescents. Consider replacing appliances with new efficient ones.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 11:38:34 PM

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Isn't America's problem called capitalism, the free market? You know, the ideology America has been selling the world for the last sixty years. People in other parts of the world are starting to think America only forced the free market on them when America could make easy profits but now other countries are catching up, it seems that many Americans want to take their ball home. What happened to American confidence and know how? Was that just smoke and mirrors?

When the American market was all that American companies had to cater for things were fine but we now live in a different world. America exports less manufactured products than Germany and less than Japan (I think). That suggests American manufacturers aren't (on the whole) producing what the world wants. Both Germany and Japan put the export market before their home market and so don't rely on national loyalty for success but superior products. American corporations (like British corps) go after short term profits, a weakness in long term marketing strategy for manufactured goods. Less and less will be being made in America because that is how American companies work, a maximum profit today.

I couldn't understand a fuck what the OP was going on about so I thought I'd have my own little rant. Perhaps I should have ranted about the state of the American education system with the lack of grammar in the OP.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 11:41:35 PM

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Meat, what we have now is not "capitalism."

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 11:46:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Meat, what we have now is not "capitalism."

What would your reason be for American manufacturing not competing in the world market? (I'm excluding American outsourced products which is inevitable in today's world market.)

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/23/2007 11:57:11 PM

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What happened to American confidence and know how? Was that just smoke and mirrors?

No. Big business exploits what they can. The wealthy top 1% of the world rule- owe no allegience to any flag. In effect- we live in a corporation. The wealthy 1% are almost never photographed- they can collapse a currency- run a stock up- by politicians and in fact write legislation. [no oversight][banks wrote bankrupsty reform]

On the horizen, corporation vs corporation. Walmart vs big oil. Every penny gas goes up = so many million $ in lost revenue. At the same time record oil profits. [obsceen] So expect this.

Taking the ball and going home. Let me clarify. "they" dont want the individual to buy rxs from Canada as it isnt "safe". Yet big corporations can harvest the cheapest labor and materials. He who has the gold- makes the rules.

Add in the bought media. It isnt going to bite the mastas hand.

If more money is made via PEACE vs WAR, we would be at peace. If more cash can be made by selling gas to China, dont expect allegience to America. A corporations sole reason for existing is to profit shareholders; Not bettering the greater good.

Be that as it may; America, which is a nation of peoples from every corner of the globe; is creative and inovative. It wasnt smoke and mirrors.

I want to add; America being great; does not diminish other countries from also being great!

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 12:06:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No. Big business exploits what they can. The wealthy top 1% of the world rule- owe no allegience to any flag. In effect- we live in a corporation. The wealthy 1% are almost never photographed- they can collapse a currency- run a stock up- by politicians and in fact write legislation. [no oversight]

On the horizen, corporation vs corporation. Walmart vs big oil. Every penny gas goes up = so many million $ in lost revenue. At the same time record oil profits. [obsceen] So expect this.

Taking the ball and going home. Let me clarify. "they" dont want the individual to buy rxs from Canada as it isnt "safe". Yet big corporations can harvest the cheapest labor and materials. He who has the gold- makes the rules.

Add in the bought media. It isnt going to bite the mastas hand.

If more money is made via PEACE vs WAR, we would be at peace. If more cash can be made by selliing gas to China, dont expect allegience to America. A corporations sole reason for existing is to profit shareholders; Not better the greater good.

Be that as it may; Americans, which is a nation of peoples from every corner of the globe; is creative and inovative. It wasnt smoke and mirrors.

I want to add; America being great; does not diminish other countries from also being great!

What you are describing is capitalism. It seems to me to be promoted by more than the top 1% when the going is good, when the going gets tough, people seem to blame the top 1% everything. The problem is that the way the world is is how the majority wanted it to be because they thought they would make on it. How the world is run now was entirely predictable and people voted for it.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 3:16:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No. Big business exploits what they can. The wealthy top 1% of the world rule- owe no allegience to any flag. In effect- we live in a corporation. The wealthy 1% are almost never photographed- they can collapse a currency- run a stock up- by politicians and in fact write legislation. [no oversight]

On the horizen, corporation vs corporation. Walmart vs big oil. Every penny gas goes up = so many million $ in lost revenue. At the same time record oil profits. [obsceen] So expect this.

Taking the ball and going home. Let me clarify. "they" dont want the individual to buy rxs from Canada as it isnt "safe". Yet big corporations can harvest the cheapest labor and materials. He who has the gold- makes the rules.

Add in the bought media. It isnt going to bite the mastas hand.

If more money is made via PEACE vs WAR, we would be at peace. If more cash can be made by selliing gas to China, dont expect allegience to America. A corporations sole reason for existing is to profit shareholders; Not better the greater good.

Be that as it may; Americans, which is a nation of peoples from every corner of the globe; is creative and inovative. It wasnt smoke and mirrors.

I want to add; America being great; does not diminish other countries from also being great!

What you are describing is capitalism. It seems to me to be promoted by more than the top 1% when the going is good, when the going gets tough, people seem to blame the top 1% everything. The problem is that the way the world is is how the majority wanted it to be because they thought they would make on it. How the world is run now was entirely predictable and people voted for it.

If you remember Socialism made our little captialism look like a energy efficent green zone. Short of totlitarian rule I think Captialism/Republic has done the best so far.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 3:20:16 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasDom

-if you don't like my grammar, then send me a decent understandable link to basic writting..-

Why, when skipping to the next post or thread is so much easier......you want to be understandable, you find the link.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 3:53:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No. Big business exploits what they can. The wealthy top 1% of the world rule- owe no allegience to any flag. In effect- we live in a corporation. The wealthy 1% are almost never photographed- they can collapse a currency- run a stock up- by politicians and in fact write legislation. [no oversight]

On the horizen, corporation vs corporation. Walmart vs big oil. Every penny gas goes up = so many million $ in lost revenue. At the same time record oil profits. [obsceen] So expect this.

Taking the ball and going home. Let me clarify. "they" dont want the individual to buy rxs from Canada as it isnt "safe". Yet big corporations can harvest the cheapest labor and materials. He who has the gold- makes the rules.

Add in the bought media. It isnt going to bite the mastas hand.

If more money is made via PEACE vs WAR, we would be at peace. If more cash can be made by selliing gas to China, dont expect allegience to America. A corporations sole reason for existing is to profit shareholders; Not better the greater good.

Be that as it may; Americans, which is a nation of peoples from every corner of the globe; is creative and inovative. It wasnt smoke and mirrors.

I want to add; America being great; does not diminish other countries from also being great!

What you are describing is capitalism. It seems to me to be promoted by more than the top 1% when the going is good, when the going gets tough, people seem to blame the top 1% everything. The problem is that the way the world is is how the majority wanted it to be because they thought they would make on it. How the world is run now was entirely predictable and people voted for it.

Why do you think we are capitalist? We are more psuedo capitalist/socialist depending on the situation. For example, big corps like to be socialist(merging of government and corporations), when it is domestic, as in grants, tax incentives,surrounding area improvements, tax deferals, etc. , that is undeniably anti-capitalistic, and would fall closer to the socialist model. Then when it comes to global trade they like to be completely capitalistic, as in want tarriff free trade, want low restrictions, cheap labor. So, the big corps beg for government support at home(US supported corporations=socialism), but decry socialism when exporting jobs.

The problem is the system is the worst mixture of the two models, it sucks from the government when ever it can(socialist concept=government mixing with industry), but doesn't give back anything for that support(or very little), and when it can save a buck it decries the evils of socialism and wants capitalism.

That is the problem big mega-corps are simply playing off the schizophrenia of the US populace, that for some reason believe they can have socialist policies and at the same time play capitalism. It doesn't work, because a purely socialist model would not be exporting work to china for example to build widgets. And a purely capitalist based system would not be supporting these industries. It is my belief if we had socialism or capitalism in a much purer form it would work out better. As is we have the worst of both systems at play. I'm speaking in an industry by industry regard.

IMO.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 4:50:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: InfernoMDM

If you remember Socialism made our little captialism look like a energy efficent green zone. Short of totlitarian rule I think Captialism/Republic has done the best so far.

Since capitalism is the ideology that persuades us to consume more and more and waste more and more finite resources in the endless pursuit of economic growth for no other reason than the profit of the few. Capitalism is a madness. It has worked for the majority of westerners for the last 40-60 years, that is all. It can't solve the world's problems and the rest of the world can't consume at the levels of westerners because for that we would need five planets. Most supporters of current capitalism are complacent at best or criminally insane at worse because capitalism offers no solution to the very real problems facing the world.

As for your reference to republic, I'm not sure what the significance is.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 4:55:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

Why do you think we are capitalist? We are more psuedo capitalist/socialist depending on the situation. For example, big corps like to be socialist(merging of government and corporations), when it is domestic, as in grants, tax incentives,surrounding area improvements, tax deferals, etc. , that is undeniably anti-capitalistic, and would fall closer to the socialist model. Then when it comes to global trade they like to be completely capitalistic, as in want tarriff free trade, want low restrictions, cheap labor. So, the big corps beg for government support at home(US supported corporations=socialism), but decry socialism when exporting jobs.

The problem is the system is the worst mixture of the two models, it sucks from the government when ever it can(socialist concept=government mixing with industry), but doesn't give back anything for that support(or very little), and when it can save a buck it decries the evils of socialism and wants capitalism.

That is the problem big mega-corps are simply playing off the schizophrenia of the US populace, that for some reason believe they can have socialist policies and at the same time play capitalism. It doesn't work, because a purely socialist model would not be exporting work to china for example to build widgets. And a purely capitalist based system would not be supporting these industries. It is my belief if we had socialism or capitalism in a much purer form it would work out better. As is we have the worst of both systems at play. I'm speaking in an industry by industry regard.

IMO.

Corporations are not at all a socialist model but are national socialist model, a very different concept. They are fascistic and psychopathic in their execution of their function. However, for over 100 years now, it has been understood where the logic of capitalism would take us and that is where we are going.

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 6:12:53 AM

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Thomas Friedman has done for "Capitalism"

EXACTLY

what Karl Marx did for "Communism".

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RE: America the hypocrisy.. - 9/24/2007 6:42:02 AM

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Capitalism...

Yes, as we put up our mortgages to survive
the trend is very obvious isn't it?...

Grapes of wrath...

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