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is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/28/2007 3:48:16 PM

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is this subspace or hypnosis or something different ? when with my Dom and he talks to me in a certain way i feel at time i am following what he is saying perfectly well. however when he leaves i seem to instantly forget what he said. about two days later i remember what he told me or what i think he told me. i feel confused and wonder if he really said that or not or if i imagined it. if i ask him if he said what i thought he will either not answer or say no he didnt (but i think perhaps he did really) whats going on and why does this keep happening to me? i normally have a really good memory so cant understand why it happens. he wont tell me why it happens but i am sure he knows. i have given up asking, he just says not worry about it but i really wat it understand it more

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/28/2007 6:57:36 PM

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Greetings serisa,

Hypnosis requires you to stare at an object while listening to a voice. If you are able to look away etc. then it's not hypnosis just you being overwhelmed, apparently, by your Master. If you recover your memories after a day or two it's probably not hypnosis. If you trust your Master stop worrying about it and just serve well.
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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/28/2007 7:16:53 PM

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If you trust your Master stop worrying about it and just serve well.

i think TM4Y has the key right here. TRUST. It seems to me that you don't trust Him and that is a bigger problem than you not remembering what He said. You stated :

"if i ask him if he said what i thought he will either not answer or say no he didnt (but i think perhaps he did really)"

That, right there, is a lack of trust.

my opinion, figure out why you doubt your ability to trust Him first.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/28/2007 8:34:47 PM

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/28/2007 8:54:02 PM

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Hm. That was helpful.

Pay very close attention to what Jen (sammiebabygirl) said. I think she hit on the core issue here. I also noted your saying that "if i ask him if he said what i thought he will either not answer or say no he didnt (but i think perhaps he did really)"

We either have two issues:

1) You're correct. Your Dom did say these things despite his denying it. That's a breach of trust on his part.

2) You're incorrect. In which case you need to put some thought into why you suspect he said those things, and why you don't trust his version of events.

I'm not sure why you're having trouble remembering what he says. It doesn't sound like hypnosis, nor does it seem like sub-space. Perhaps, as Totalmaster4u says, it's a case of being overwhelmed by him or the experience of submitting.

Back to trust: Since your recollection of what happens seems to be the question here, I'd give some thought to your master's behavior.

Has he ever lied to you before?
Has he ever caused you emotional and physical harm? (I'm talking injuries here, not pain.)
Has he ever refused a safeword, ignored a limit, or done anything else along those lines?

If the answers are "No..." then you are probably in pretty good shape. Still, it sounds like you have doubts, and it's always a good idea to listen to your instincts.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/28/2007 10:34:12 PM

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is this subspace or hypnosis or something different ? when with my Dom and he talks to me in a certain way i feel at time i am following what he is saying perfectly well. however when he leaves i seem to instantly forget what he said. about two days later i remember what he told me or what i think he told me. i feel confused and wonder if he really said that or not or if i imagined it. if i ask him if he said what i thought he will either not answer or say no he didnt (but i think perhaps he did really) whats going on and why does this keep happening to me? i normally have a really good memory so cant understand why it happens. he wont tell me why it happens but i am sure he knows. i have given up asking, he just says not worry about it but i really wat it understand it more

"Hypnosis" induces a highly focused attentional state which is probably best characterized as deep absorption. It is sometimes called a "trance", but the unfortunate implication of semi-consciousness is misleading. Crossing Fifth Avenue at 57th Street induces a highly focused attentional state, if you're lucky. Same with some forms of martial arts, where meditation may be employed to develop your capacity for attaining and maintaining the required state. As these examples show, its focus and nature can vary and a "hypnotist" is not required.

So, I don't know whether your Dom is inducing it deliberately or just taking advantage of your natural inclination under the circumstances. But I would say yes, it sounds like you are "entranced" during the times you describe.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/29/2007 6:06:13 AM

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If you're just sitting there having coffee and this happens, I'd be concerned. If it's during or afterwards play, then I'd put it down to subspace.

When I go deep, my memory does that. I get bits and pieces of things over a few days and slowly put it all together.

However, the first time I suspected he was lying to me about what he was doing/saying would be the last. I don't like mind fucks. Doing it in scene is one thing ie saying you're going to cut her with a sharp knife and you just run a butter knife over the skin. But out of it? Deliberately making me afraid to trust myself or him? Closing down communication for fear of what he'll say and how I'll feel about it? Not smart.

You need to tell him that this deliberate lying is making you distrust him. That it isn't a fun game and that it is driving you away. And if he continues, then you know he wants to drive you away.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/29/2007 7:40:35 AM

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Sounds like subspace to me. I've seen a similar thing happening, with my sub (she couldn't remember/hear all the things I had said). And it also sounds a little bit like he's fucking with your mind.

I suggest you tell him you are concerned about this. Fucks' sake, you're in a D/s relationship - you should be talking about *everything* that happens during a scene. And if he keeps reacting in that way, I'd have serious doubts about him.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/29/2007 8:02:35 AM

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this topic requires too much thought. my fellow subs/slaves, just enjoy it

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/30/2007 2:36:11 PM

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an update !, last night my Dom started talking to me in this 'way'. i can only describe it as chunks of information that require very little response from me at the end of each chunk ie yes, no or a small comment. i actually seem physically unable to say more than this. i do remember him saying (something hes never said b4) its when i talk to you in this way you get confused dont you?. i remember replying yes and then he said 'i bet you feel right now you are following everything i say fairly clearly dont you?' i remember saying yes. then after hes left i forget the rest of the conversation.... i started remembering bit quicker this time (has taken me days/weeks sometimes to remember things hes said in the past). it does all seem to filter through in chunks and i do question if he really said it or i imagined it. i get the impression this whats happening he wants me to trust my intincts what i thought he said, not question it.
today on the phone he asked me 'do you ever do things i ask but maybe you do it anyway even if you cant be sure or remember the exact situation when i asked you to do it?' i replied yes, well i think this has been happening to me i just do it anyway even if i feel fuzzy as to the conversation. he said that was good. that i shouldnt worry about or question my doubts. that if i think he said it, he probably did.
is this sort of thing common?, is this usual?, i am starting to wonder if its some sort of technique to make me auto responsive? ! any ideas?..... i do want to understand it more. cheers

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/30/2007 8:28:13 PM

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Assuming what you say is accurate (I have no reason to doubt you).... I think I'd be concerned about this guy.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/30/2007 8:37:11 PM

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To me that is called sub-drop! Yes it is hypnosis etc, but when he "leaves" you yes it is called sub drop because you need him to keep that constant pattern for you. That is normal.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/30/2007 9:55:09 PM

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Well it's all just forms of altered consciousness, we flow into plenty of them all the time- so it's hard to say when one leaves off and one starts, but it certainly sounds like more of a highly suggestible consciousness rather than simply and open blissful one.

The issue here really is your lack of communication and trust- you need direct Q&A and understanding here, no more games.

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RE: is this subspace or hypnosis? - 9/30/2007 10:40:23 PM

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1) hypnosis does not require an object to focus on...i did an experiment in 4th grade where i learned to hypnotize classmates (at a very rudementary level, mind you, but it was sucessful) using no focus objects...
2) i personally associate subspace with a type of dissociation mainly achieved through endorphin release triggered by pain...if your Master can achieve the dissociation by just using his voice...woohoo for you! as for the remembering what he said and feeling very upset...i would relate that to sub-drop and encourage you to ask questions...i would also encourage him to educate himself as to what he is playing with...there are alot of words i used in my response that if you both don't have an in depth, college or some how other personal working knowledge of definition of, i would first use the search feature on this message board to look them up and then google...particularly: subspace, sub-drop, endrophin, trigger, and dissociation...common every day deffinitions don't necessarily work....

good luck
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