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VadFarkas -> Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 7:52:22 AM)

Here is a question for you wearers of this type of Chastity device. I designed and made this Stainless Steel hinged ring and cage due to a
special request from a good customer of mine. The one I sent him has a
Tamper Resistant screw that takes a special wrench to open.  I liked the
streamlined look of this style but the other day I made another one with
a padlock. The padlock looks more impressive but it would also show more and that would seem to be more of a hindrance than an attribute. What do you think about the style? Would either one sell? http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/im-screw-lock-merge.jpgThanks for your input... er... input about a device that prohibits input. [:D]





TheIronHorse -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 7:58:34 AM)

It appears to be a quality item. 

Probably a lot more work to make than a CB 2000/Curve/CB3K, but I cant see why it wouldnt attract a following with aficionados of such a thing.  I assume you have the tools and you dont need to make a huge production run to recover your costs. 

I think it would fly.

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ORIGINAL: VadFarkas

Here is a question for you wearers of this type of Chastity device. I designed and made this Stainless Steel hinged ring and cage due to a
special request from a good customer of mine. The one I sent him has a
Tamper Resistant screw that takes a special wrench to open.  I liked the
streamlined look of this style but the other day I made another one with
a padlock. The padlock looks more impressive but it would also show more and that would seem to be more of a hindrance than an attribute. What do you think about the style? Would either one sell? http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/im-screw-lock-merge.jpgThanks for your input... er... input about a device that prohibits input. [:D]






VadFarkas -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 8:06:24 AM)

Thanks IronHorse,
Yes you are right about the material costs are low, it is mainly labor intensive.
I make everything one at a time by hand. That is how I can keep my quality high.
I enjoyed making this, a feeling not shared by some of my friends that stopped by to visit. [:D]
I was just wondering if that was a sign or if there might be a market for this.
Thanks again, I'm very interested in what others will say.




PleaseTieMeDown -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 8:39:51 AM)

No screw is "tamper proof".... but then again i guess no lock is either.

I think youll find most people would want the locked version.
Although, the way that lock sits isnt too good :(
Needs to be raised from between the cage.




VadFarkas -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 8:46:45 AM)

PleaseTieMedown, 
It is called a Tamper Resistant not Tamper Proof. Nothing is proof, you are correct.
When I was finished and tried a lock, I was very frustrated on how it hung.
I tried all the locks I had and even bent the hasp but don't like the way it sits.
If I make another one, that will be my main design change.
Thanks!


Edited to add:
I also don't like the fact that the lock pin is inserted from the body side.
I haven't tried this on but it would seem to be more difficult than from
the front like the screw.




TheIronHorse -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 8:55:17 AM)

Your CB is definitely more secure than the polycarbonate types.  I can make quick work of removing a plastic CB, I am good with tools.

The plastic CB's start at around $130 and  are priced upwards from there. 

I make things for a living myself, and I tend to look at everything as having some sort of saleable value.  Some of the things I make in my shop sell for $600.  I get pissed off when people come to me with unsolicited offers of $150 for an item I have 16+ man hours in.

Do what you love and everything else will follow,  and dont let the idiots get to you...LOL....

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ORIGINAL: VadFarkas

Thanks IronHorse,
Yes you are right about the material costs are low, it is mainly labor intensive.
I make everything one at a time by hand. That is how I can keep my quality high.
I enjoyed making this, a feeling not shared by some of my friends that stopped by to visit. [:D]
I was just wondering if that was a sign or if there might be a market for this.
Thanks again, I'm very interested in what others will say.




masochistboytoy -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 10:36:47 AM)

i would be honored to wear such a beautiful chastity device. i also love the look of locks - more humiliating and more of a reminder of who owns my cock.




hardbodysub -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 12:21:31 PM)

I like 'em. Yes, I think they'd sell, but of course it depends on the price.

I'd love to see one with a built-in lock, similar to your device with the tamper resistant screw, but with a lock like the full steel chastity belts instead of a padlock. I can just imagine the padlock bouncing around, clicking and clacking, plus it adds bulk, which I don't want.




Lucylastic -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/29/2007 5:22:28 PM)

mmmmmmmyummy Vad, you have some awesome gear
Lucy




VadFarkas -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/30/2007 5:47:21 AM)

Lucy, so do you, I just spent some time in your store.
Thank you also hardbodysub and masochistboytoy, Looks like the lock is the the key. [;)]
As far as the price.... well I think IronHorse said it well. I have a lot of time in my work
and can't afford to give it away. Altho yesterday we shipped a collar for free on a trial basis.




ducky -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/30/2007 6:35:53 AM)

you device looks very "attractive". considerations might include spacers to provide a more optimum fit for longer term wear (also, to prevent pullout), and a solid ring versus hinged (to eliminate pinching of ball sac). when using metal lock on the cbxxxx series, the lock often catches the penis causing chafing. tape or a bandaid must be used to prevent this. what is the weight of the device? some users of lori's find the weight to be too much for comfortable wear. finally, when the penis attempts erection, will it "spill" out of the openings of the cage? if so, this can help cause edema.

i am not trying to disparage your device. it certainly has possibilities for certain kinds of "play".




VadFarkas -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/30/2007 6:57:35 AM)


ducky,
I appreciate your advice and questions as well. I have no knowledge in this sort of "play" and that is partially why I'm asking. To be honest with you, when I sent the first one to the customer, I told him he is receiving the Iron Maiden as a virgin since I didn't even try it on. He has had nothing but good to say about it after I sent him a modified version. The first did not have the stabilizer bars and he could twist out of it. He wears it 24/7 and said it is the most comfortable device he has ever worn. There is no pinching at the hinge and it is very easy to put on.
The weight of the screw type is 6.0 oz according to our postal scale by the way.




John665623 -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/30/2007 10:46:56 AM)

I think your on the right track for offering both types of locking devices.  I think long term wearers mayl want the bolt and short term players may want the lock.  Great quality. 




Termyn8or -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/30/2007 8:08:46 PM)

Vad, recently I went a few weeks in a CB3000 on which, instead of a lock, I melted the pin and mushroomed it out, making it "permanent". Of course it wasn't, but it was very nice not having that lock there.

I also own a DD Machinery CB, and it is cheap, but the price was right. Most interesting in this context is the lock. It is simply a screw, which is shrouded by a shield, and has a radial wrench which is fashioned to look like a key. The ridge pattern on the  bolt matches the key, which allows for quite a few combinations.

With what in machining I think is called a counterbore the screw could be totally recessed. And if you've seen the tamperproof torx screws, let your imagination go from there.

Also, have you ever seem those tamperproof lug nuts ? In the big city, if you see a car with racing tires on it, or even nice mag wheels, alot of times one nut on each wheel is a tamperproof. There is a groove milled into the surface of the nut, which is a cap nut. It is somewhat oval, but has some undulations in it. It pretty much needs the whole surface area of the groove to have enough torque to remove it. These are very hard to defeat, I have tried. In the rim they are also embedded in a bore, so a big rips all wrench cannot be applied.

Not that I am a thief, but my mechanic called me as he was trying to do a brake job, as he wanted to try the one I had. None of his buddy's would fit.

You would have to give thought to just what you can do and what you can't with your machines. I am sure you can do alot, and you can take that as a compliment from one who knows enough to be dangerous, but I can't do the job right now. I know how to run a lathe or a milling machine, but my work would not look like yours. Nice work, I just ain't there yet.

Anyway, an integral locking mechanism is a very very desirable feature, from one engineer to another. Ideally it would be some sort of push and turn a ΒΌ turn or something like that. That way you can stabilize the amount of torque etc. required to open the "lock". This is quite preferable to depending on how tight a screw is.

There are simpler models to try out first. It could be as simple as a six sided polygram, but of course you must make the key. Of course this option will cost money. Afteer you build a few you're going to have to go to CNC machining for this, but that will at least make it easier to make a duplicate key. For you that is.

Really a small rig for parts that small isn't all that expensive, but it takes time to get to know how to run it.

It takes a cap screw, there is an almost random pattern in it, but it is circular pretty much. But it is not a screw, it is a shaft you make to engage slots in the ring portion. When locked, it is recessed into a bore that makes turning with pliers impossible. The circular pattern can only be engaged by the proper "wrench". Nothing else will be strong enough in the right way to turn it. As I mentioned before, it might be a plus to require that it be pushed in to be unlocked as well.

Unfortunately, unless you want to get into micromachining, I think this approach will result in a bigger main locking stem, of the unit as a whole. But oh well, and, is it more bulk than the padlock was ? What's more a padlock can be cut off easily.

Make that fucker out of some really hard material, make the "boltscrew" recessed so if they want to cut, well, go right ahead. Let them try to get the shroud portion from around the lock boltscrew. Then they find out it was machined to within 0.0001" and now it'll never move. Might want to put that in the instruction manual lol.

I might want you to make something for me one day, for example what would you charge for the ones you have, I didn't notice any mention of price. I think $600 was mentioned. I think that is a bit high, if it were a normal item. Right now it has prototype status and all that. But if you sat down and decided to make ten of them in a row you could drop the price, sell them all and make a tidy little sum.

Looking at the current market, we have the CB X000 which is not metal going for between 100-200 bucks. Everything that resembles your devices is made in Europe and by the time you convert to Euros or whatever, you are paying alot more.

Best of luck, and I think you will do well. Maybe later we will collaberate on insulating some of the parts electrically to hook up, like a dog shocker collar or something. Or a TENS unit, whatever. These people are nuts and would eat it up :-) I know because I am one. It is all up to you.

I have detailed ideas about this locking mechanism if you are interested. I just do not know if we have the machinery to do it.

One last thing, do you think you will ever have the desire to build a full blown florentine style belt ? Just a question. But if you do, let me know.

T




VadFarkas -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (9/30/2007 10:00:40 PM)

Termyn8or,We are on the same wave length! The original was sent with a tamper resistant screw that is recessed so can't be turned with pliers. In my opinion it is securer than a external padlock.I have since ordered some tamper proof screws manufactured in Arizona. They are exactly as you describe. I also compared them to locking lugnut design just a micro version of it. Here is a photo:http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/tamp-merge.jpgI prefer the screw on the left because it is larger and less susceptible to damaging the key or driver. I stripped the 1st one when testing the torque and they are not cheap.Iron Horse mentioned a figure of $600 for something he was making, I was thinking $300 altho the original customer told me it was worth much more. I'm not trying to gouge anyone but want to get paid for my time. I have a very small one man shop with my wife being the book keeper and mail department. I had been making Turian style collars on the side for about 10 years but was never very aggressive with sales until the company I worked for went out of business and I couldn't find a job.Excuse me if I'm all over the place but today I found out that a good friend of almost 30 years who would come by here and watch me work in my garage died suddenly. He was just at the Dr. Wednesday. Life sure can change in an instant. Sorry for adding this but my mind is not totally on the subject. It was good to read your post and think other thoughts however.By the way Today's Photo of the Day was dedicated to you.Thank you, I appreciate all comments to make a better product.




VadFarkas -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (10/1/2007 4:31:08 PM)

We are pretty much in agreement that the lock is the key issue here. (pun intended)
The easiest fix without any actual modifications, is to switch the lock to the back of the device.
This solves the problem of the lock not sitting properly on top of the cage.
This also solves the issue of having to insert the lock pin from the body side.
But on the other hand, this might create a comfort issue.
I have made arraignments with a volunteer to test both styles for a trial period to see what the actual reviews will be before I make any modifications. Here is a photo I took with the smallest lock I have on hand.
http://www.ringofsteel.net/images/lockinback.jpg




submarriner -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (10/1/2007 4:33:10 PM)

Your device looks well made, and the design would make long term use easy. How much does the device weigh, as a heavy metal chastity device may limit it's tolerance. As to your question on marketing, I believe it would have a niche market for those with the funds for a chastity restriction with metal. Design and workmanship are better than I have seen with competing metal restraints. Your biggest competitor will be the polycarbonate devices due to their consealment without metal detection, and cost.




glynn012954 -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (10/1/2007 5:11:15 PM)

Love the look of the screw style. Will it be available with different length cages as I need a short one to match my very stubby penis, as I'm also sure there are those really hung who might need extra length. Also will there be an option to add a bar or two on the opening on the end. I know most don't like bars on the end as they cause splattering when going to the bathroom but I find it better to sit down for this anyway and the bars keeps a person from pushing out of the tip when an erection arrives. Let me know when it becomes available as I would really like to acquire one.  glynn




VadFarkas -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (10/1/2007 5:51:26 PM)

Some good feedback guys, thanks.Well we started out with one style collar about 10 years ago and now I have a lot of different ones available. I'm not sure if I will do the same with the chastity device. It took the original buyer weeks to talk me into making it. Then it was his idea that I make more. But like you mention, there are so many variants that they would almost have to be custom made. Bars can be added and sizes changed but that all adds to the labor... and cost.Well we will be going on vacation next week with no computer access, so I will have a lot of time to think about all this.Thanks again for all the different points of view keep them coming.




chastizedman -> RE: Question about new Chastity Device (10/14/2007 9:07:30 AM)

Sorry to be the one to give the first negative feedback /opinion, but from the Photo it seems abundantly clear that there is too much open space on the  Penis section, enough to allow  complete stimulation with a Vibrator or ....
This is obviously going to defeat the whole object of Chastity, therefore the device needs urgent modification. However having said that it looks great, I like it, but as it shows currently in the photo would be totally useless for an excessive masterbator, it defeats the whole object of Chastity Devices. Sorry to be so hard, infact this is my first ever post but I think my opinion is valid here.




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