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defiantbadgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 1:17:21 AM)

I just find it amusing that so many people on here think I have a low self esteem. Nobody seemed to think that when I only wore expensive designer clothes and spent hours in front of the mirror every day making sure my makeup was flawless and every hair was in place.




PsychoticWolf -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 1:27:56 AM)

Yea, I noticed that. . I've met people with low self-esteem, used to be a counselor to them, and you don't seem like you're doing anything drastic or anything. Just looking for answers for your own questions. I do that too. . never got my question answered, but then again, as long as I'm enjoying myself, who cares what other people think. :)




defiantbadgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 1:36:47 AM)

I'm a non traditional college student majoring in social work so I'm sure I'll be involved in counseling others as well. Of course I have plenty of experience in that already. The only difference is, after I graduate I'll get paid for it. What was the question you were never able to answer?




PsychoticWolf -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 1:47:41 AM)

Well, for my question, it's more like a curiousity than a question no one can really answer except for the people who try and treat me as they do. I have met a lot of people off of here that I've spent time and time talking to through the internet, but shortly after first meeting (let's say about 10 people off here?), I've either been completely blocked/ignored, or even hated on for no apparent reason. The only thing in common with all of them is that, I treat them like ladies with respect. It is a first date after all, they don't belong to you until they're ready.

And have fun counseling, just make sure YOU're mentally prepared to deal with everyone's unpreparedness.




eyesopened -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 1:50:05 AM)

i am 54 years old and 30 lbs over my best weight.  i'm sure my Dominant didn't start out seeking an older, larger sub but He now that He's found me, it seems He wants to take me home and keep me. *grins*  i am what He (45 years old and just slightly on the heavy side of svelt) was seeking.  There are Dominants who are more interested in the present than its wrapping.  That my appearance pleases Him is definately a plus for me.




PsychoticWolf -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 1:53:04 AM)

Good for you, eyesopened! That's the spirit. :D




defiantbadgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 1:53:39 AM)

That is strange. I seem to have the opposite problem. Doms can't understand why I don't want the first meeting to be at a hotel room or why I won't immediately drop to my knees and suck them off lol 




PsychoticWolf -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:02:37 AM)

Because you don't want to do something you're not ready for? You want to see if their's any kind of connection? Things like that I'm assuming.

My first meeting usually consists of things the subbie would like to do, so they're more comfortable in an open area. Want to go out for coffee and talk? Alright. Want to go out to a more public place like the mall or the zoo and hang out? Do that too.
Heck, I naturally pay for everything when I'm with someone, even if it's not going to work out. But that's due to me not liking to be paid for. Believe the Dominant one should be able to pay for both Himself and the one who may or may not end up serving Him.

Feeling worn out? Stressed? Need a cuddle, massage? Does this make me a subbie? No, But I do have a strong pet peeve that requires respect from both ends. I do these things believing that making a subbie comfortable in an enviroment she'd be fine with, would at least have me a few more friends, and a few less blocks.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:10:27 AM)

You're very perceptive. It sounds to me like you're meeting subs that are looking for the type of Doms I run into while I'm seeking Doms like you that appreciate and show respect for subs.




PsychoticWolf -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:13:46 AM)

I hear that from a lot of people, the "I'm looking for someone who will care, show respect, and treat me like a princess" blah blah. . I hear it often, from just about everyone, and get the same result in the end. Maybe I'm just a big scary man. :P

Looks like we're a bit confused on trying to get what we're hoping for. . Yay for life.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:28:28 AM)

Scary? They obviously have no taste if they think that. What about me, do I look scary? I've always thought of myself as average in appearance (other than the invisible tramp on my forehead that many Doms seem to see)




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:32:19 AM)

from the many profiles i've viewed (after being rudely messaged about my size), there are some doms who don't want a bbw and/or older as their sub/slave.  sometimes they word it like "i'm in great shape ...expect to stay that way and my sub/slave shall too" or "all potential subs/slaves must be height/weight and younger (but mature) than my age - NOT INTERESTED IN BBWs".  some of the nasty messages i've received from these said doms included - you're too fat to be a submissive ...go on a diet ...you're ugly etc.  i have seen one citing health reasons why he didn't want a bbw wearing his collar.

however i believe it's these same doms who clog up the forum boards ranting, bitching, and complaining how there aren't any "real" or why are there so many fat subs/slaves. i guess they're upset that the "barbie" crowd turned them down so they decide to take their frustrations and anger out on the most likely target - bbws when they should be looking at themselves. 




defiantbadgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:38:24 AM)

There was a big ugly man on Maury one day with his wife who he verbally abused about her weight. He looked like he was at least 100lbs overweight and his wife maybe 10 lbs overweight. Of course anyone that tried to tell him that needed their eyes examined.




PsychoticWolf -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:46:43 AM)

You're not scary, you are you and if no one can accept you for that, feel free to tell them all to go to hell. :)




defiantbadgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 2:55:25 AM)

Same to you. I think you're doing the right thing by treating subs with respect the first time you meet them. If they can't handle that, they're probably too shallow for you and not your type anyway. If you ever get frustrated and need someone to talk to or are looking for new friends, send me a message.




Celeste43 -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 4:08:04 AM)

The problem with FnF's experiment is that once he says "Btw, I flat out lied to you to mess with your head" he's going to be out on his ass in the cold.

And I'm with obis, women usually want to feel protected so they look for a man bigger and stronger. Plus that whole physical domination stuff is hot, being picked up and tossed on the bed, being held down while struggling. Malesubs have the same kind of fantasy of being overpowered by a domme but that's hard to accomplish unless the domme is larger and stronger.




hisannabelle -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 4:19:12 AM)

greetings dbg,

i think that in some ways the issue relates to a sense of entitlement, and also of supply and demand, in some ways. by virtue of the fact that they are dominant (and in non-bdsm relationships, by virtue of the fact that they are male), some male dominants (who do emphasize the physical and having their submissives fit a certain physical image) feel entitled (regardless of their own body image or physical situation) to having a woman who lives up to a certain "standard" in their mind. to be honest i think this comes from the definite double standard in our society regarding gender and body image. i am not saying that men do not also suffer from body image issues and in some cases suffer from unfair or absolute standards on the parts of some women, but these kinds of expectations are disproportionately projected onto women and women's bodies (in non-bdsm, and by extension bdsm, relationships). the reason i would expect that this does not happen as often in the case of submissive men and dominant women (submissive men projecting a certain physical standard onto dominant women) has to do with the fact that submissive men generally do not have as large of a sample of possible partners in dominant women (and thus maybe are more likely to relax standards), but perhaps more influentially, the fact that by virtue of being submissive, there is less of a sense of entitlement to project these physical standards onto dominant women and less of an emphasis on what "i" want in a partner. those things likely override the generally disproportionate projection of this phenomenon onto women in the case of dominant women. i think that what others have mentioned about physical size and dominance can also factor in as well.

in our relationship, he tends to prefer women who are slightly to moderately overweight, although he tends to end up with younger women, not older women (although i'm not sure he has particular reasons for seeking that out). there are a variety of complex causes and reasons for entering into an age gap relationship, though, so it would not surprise me if there exists a larger fraction of dominants out there who prefer older women than what we are seeing here or what is normally "expected" (that men want the younger, "prettier" - read: thinner - version).

on the whole, personally, i tend to approach such issues with the attitude that "i am who i am and if i don't meet your standards...feel free to search elsewhere." if i lose or gain weight, it will be because i want to, or because that's what's healthy for me, my body, and my self-image. in some cases it may be related to what my master wants, but i would not choose to be under the collar of someone who i knew disproportionately influenced weight and physical standards. i am something of a "special case," maybe, because i am disabled (and have dealt with debilitating chronic illness since a very young age) and i am pretty blunt about what i am and am not capable of regarding my physical condition...so i easily tend to weed out those who want somebody cute and athletic and who promises to always be height-weight proportionate to go running and rock climbing with ;) but i have found that a good rule of thumb in the area of relationship compatibility and meeting new partners is to decide what about yourself and your own self-image and health (physical and mental) you are willing to subject to other people's expectations or standards of what they think you SHOULD look like.

respectfully,
annabelle.




bandit25 -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 4:21:49 AM)

DBG...I think the reason people think you have low self esteem is that you keep bringing up the weight issue.  If you're happy with yourself, that's all that really matters, isn't it?

As far as the some of the other posts go, not everyone who is h/w proportionate is a "barbie".  Would be nice if we weren't knocked everytime the weight issues arises.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 5:32:19 AM)

it's not my fault if most doms are looking for that leggy woman who can wear the itty bitty skirts and tight tank tops while strutting down Michigan Avenue.  i dub what they're seeking the "barbie" types ...and now you know it feels when a dom compares the bbw size to his specifications of what a sub/slave should look like.   9 times out of 10 - he's going for the "barbie" type or the height/weight proportioned woman and not someone my size. 






chellekitty -> RE: older and larger subs (10/2/2007 6:40:45 AM)

sorry i didn't respond to this yesterday...the train didn't have a computer on it and i was on my way back from a BDSM confrence...

i can't speak for older and bbw...i know that the older submissives in my community have no problems and the bbw submissives have no problems....hmm and now that i think about it the older bbw submissives have no problems....basically it comes down to female submissives are in such high demand...even the really unattractive ones have their pick....now before anyone gets their panties macramed...the really unattractive ones could be covergirl models and be the ugliest bitches around because their attitude and their souls are corrupt and black...or not have one at all...but there is still such a high demand for "female submissives" that everyone has a pick...

that being said...i am a bbw...i have a big butt...i wear a size 24 jeans and i weigh aprox 300lbs...and this past weekend at the afore mentioned conference...aside from the ocassional having to squeeze between people in traffic jams...i don't think ~i~ took notice of the difference between the size of my ass and the size of anyone else's ass at any point durring the weekend - that is not to say that i did not to say that i did not take notice of asses...yummy gay men with tight bubble butts i just wanted to sink my claws into...damn...anyway...i am comfortable in my own skin...i am happy being uncollared right now...and this past weekend i turned down peoples' offer's to play, because i got to be choosey in who i did play with...

is my weight and/or size a limitation? only if i let it be...to pass on some advice that was given to me...and i saw it in action in myself....humble confidence can make a person so much more attractive than anything you can do on the outside...

chelle




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