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laurell3 -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/3/2007 5:25:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

What kind of a therapist are you?  The medical model treats symptoms, therapy treats the underlying causes.  Unless one really has a straight physiological condition, therapy is necessary to actually learn to deal with the problem and change behaviors. 
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First of all i ws an artist. Then I lectured. I then re-trained as a hynotherapist and registered as such in 1997. In that year I continued with my training and now am a registered hypno-psychotherapist. I am also a regiestered teacher and specilialise in working one to one with those with learning difficulties and/or medical-psychiatric conditions. I am not licensed to prescribe and I am happy not to but I do not exclude the medical model and work in tandem when and if it permits. For the last three years I have turned my professional development to sexual issues and work now more with sexuality than ever before.
I work eccelcticially and predominantly with a person-centred approach and combine five major approaches or pespectives. i am publishing both in my field and as a writer of eriotica under two nom de plumes.
Mu own sexuality informs what I work at as a therapist. I am a single mother also of three kids/young adults and they are my most difficult job....difficult because there is a right  time and a wrong time to ease them into what they know of my predilections......

just a woman really...........
P. xx



Interesting, I assume your collegues don't know you are in the lifestyle?  or do they? 
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xoxi -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/3/2007 5:41:04 PM)

I would assume most peoples' colleagues don't know that they are into BDSM.

And for the ones who do tell their vanilla coworkers who work in a vanilla job setting...FFS that is not water cooler conversation.  There is such thing as TMI and broadcasting your sex life is just tacky!



laurell3 -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/3/2007 6:27:34 PM)

well xoxi I was asking her obviously....as she's a sex therapist....
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Prinsexx -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/3/2007 11:31:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3



Interesting, I assume your collegues don't know you are in the lifestyle?  or do they? 
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My life is interesting and I am grateful for it. My friends know I am in the lifestyle. And that includes certain of my colleagues. Actually it does also include one of my management who was extremely supportive when my previous Dom tried to blackmail me. it's amazing what some people will do with personal information about sexuality, like use is as power over me and pull the righteousness card.
Maybe it's fear that keeps so many people living a life of secrecy. or living parallel lives, trapped in a vanilla life they CAN talk about and playing at a lifestyle they feel they cannot talk about for fear of ridicule or misunderstanding.




feastie -> RE: "Partners on behavioral Meds..." (10/4/2007 4:07:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EvilGenie

Most of the conditions listed are not due for 'behavioural meds.'  Bipolar disorder, a chemical imbalance in the brain involoving seratonin, as well as others, is not a behavioural issue/disorder. The medications used generally and primarily replace the seratonin balance, the same for unipolar (depressive illness only without having ever had a manic phase) You have listed a range of conditions which cannot be all lumped together and called 'behavioural.' I agree as with any relationship disclosure should be expected. However, that being said, some of these diagnoses listed are too vastly different to be using the label of behavioural. You have sort of 2 categories here; mental illness and some relatively non-treatable conditions listed in the DSM as character flaws, meaning no real or effective treatment, no chemical imbalance. 

My thing is not with disclosure, it is with the grouping together of vastly different issues and conditions under one heading.

Be Well,

EG

This is in response to the original post, not to whomever this post happened to attach onto.


I'm sorry, but you are grossly misinformed on Bipolar Disorder and the drugs used to treat it.  My sister's UM, (we all live together), is currently hospitalized because the meds needed adjustment.  Psychosis often can and does develop at times like these and includes hearing voices, hallucinations and delusions.  This often manifests itself in violence.  The new regimen, which is helping dramatically so far includes Tegretol, Topramax, Geodon and Strattera.  Drugs which only replace the serotonin, such as Prozac, Paxil, Effexor, etc., and are typically used to treat Depression only agitate this UM and induce extreme violence.  Not, not everyone with Bipolar Disorder requires this same sort of medication regime that this UM does, but many do. 

For the record, males with BD often exhibit the manic side of it, while females typically exhibit the depressive side of it.  Both, however, can and do cycle between the two even while medicated.  Medications do not cure, they only help alleviate symptoms.  They often need adjustment or change as the body becomes accustomed to the levels in the system.  It is not always clear to the person with BD that his/her meds are out of order. 

Yes, medical conditions which require medication, and those which do not, should not be kept from a potential partner, once it becomes clear that a relationship is developing.  That doesn't mean one should go about with a sign denoting their diagnosis on it hanging from their neck.  Honesty is the best policy, even when it seems that honesty is costing one relationships.



brattysarahjane -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 5:33:52 AM)

i believe that with holding such information is kin to a breech of contract.  The trust in that relationship has been distroyed.  However, if the condition is discovered while in the relationship, the best thing to do, if possible, is to be supportive of that person.

Meds help, but it takes time.

brattysarahjane



Bobkgin -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 6:21:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: brattysarahjane

i believe that with holding such information is kin to a breech of contract.  The trust in that relationship has been distroyed. 



I would expect to be told about this during the interview process, when I ask about illnesses, injuries and other health problems.



GoldStallion -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 7:30:26 AM)

OK Wickad, you have had your chance, but you insist on your trying to maintain your position in the face of explanation and clarification

Note: I am not about to get into a long running debate on this topic, thus, if my answer contained herein is does not answer your questions ... well, to bad - lol.

If you dont want to get into a long running debate then start reading what I am writing; and if its not clear enough then ask for clarification, instead of assumption and putting your own spin on it.

GoldStallion,

You have stated that you would not preclude a relationship with someone on medication "...as long as they wanted to sort themselves out ie get to the point where they are healthy without any tablets."  The point I was making is that you would never have this same expectation of people who were taking .... ohhh, lets say insulin.   Actually I would. The key point you are missing is "get to the point where they are healthy without any tablets". HEALTHY WITHOUT ANY TABLETS....HEALTHY. WITHOUT. ANY. TABLETS. That means they work and work and progress and heal towards the point where they dont need to take the tablets any more, because they are healthy without them, or put another way they are healthy, even without any tablets; you know when you have a headache you take some painkillers, but then without the painkillers you have no headache so you no longer take the tablets. Thats it. the person has arrived at the state of "healthy without any tablets"...now just replace headache with any condition/symptom you like. Its like painting by numbers. You can do it if you try.

The reason for this (and this is a presumption mind you) is that insulin is necessary for the diabetic person to ... ohhh, live.  Without insulin a diabetic will wither away and die. Without proper medication, many people who suffer from mood disorders would ... well, jump off a bridge, engage in risky behaviour, or simply lie in bed until they die.  In both cases the person is dead.  These folks, diabetics or those suffering from a chemical mood disorder, will always need to take some form of medication (ie: a tablet) or they will not survive.  Wrong again. Did you not go to school? They will always need to take some form of medication UNLESS they heal and their underlying condition is cured. Fat lot of chance of that happening with an attitude like yours. Sounds like fear based medicine to me.

Now here is where you look a little bit arrogant, but I will put it down to, ohhh, ignorance?, Both the diabetic and the person suffering from a chemical brain disorder will never "...get to the point where they are healthy without any tablets." How the hell do you know? You might not have a way to cure them, I might not have a way to cure them, but to suggest that there is no cure is irresponsible, naieve, ignorant and arrogant, all at once. You are not God. After listening to you someone is supposed to just accept they cant be helped except by taking these tablets (along with the side effects and long term effects), its the only way and just live with it, dont try looking elsewhere? Thats pretty convenient, stops you having to undertake any further growth learning etc. Keeps those doors on your mind firmly shut. What matters to someone with any illness is not your authority, it is what works. And if there is something that works better than what they are currently doing, then who would object to that? Only someone who might have a vested interest in the status quo.
 
You dont know a way. And with that attitude you wont ever find one. Anti progress, anti humanity.
 
There are lots of examples of people recovering from so called incurable diseases. And lots of "medically impossible" stuff happens. Just because a doctor/anyone has no answer doesnt mean there IS no answer. There is a reason people are ill and there is a reason they end up recovering, or not, no matter what the problem. Apply a bit of objectivity and logical rational consideration of the facts of reality, as opposed to regurgitation of what the books say.
 
For this reason I believe you are speaking about something you do not know anything about and thus speak (aka type) out of ignorance.

And you are assuming you know everything which is a state guaranteed to ensure ignorance more than any other. I can see you are an expert in something, but I think its in ignorance.

ig·no·rance [ig-ner-uh ns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.

No place in your original post do you ever state "(What I actually say is they should stop taking the medication if they can get to the point where it is not necessary.)". Except the bit where I say " get to the point where they are healthy without any tablets". Which bit of that sentence are you refusing to read? This is only brought up in your second post. No, it is elaborated and explained and referred to in my second post. If I have misunderstood your position then I suggest you re-read your original post with a critical eye and see what is actually in it as opposed to what you thought was actually in it.  In fact what you do say is,

I suggest you take some responsibility for ignoring whats written - like I have said, if its not clear enough ask for clarification ,before you make the kinds of assumptions you are keen to make. Oh, and read the words. Crikey, do you operate like this in the rest of your life? I hope to god it doesnt involve listening to anyone to make important decisions. Or reading anything.

"Health does not come from a medicine cabinet. Health comes from how we deal with who we are and from taking part in objective reality and living life".

Though I may agree that health is not solely derived from medications (ie: a medicine cabinet), for some people a large part of them maintaining and being healthy (OK, here I can point out that our definitions of health differ - I define health as "good decorum" , ie not just no symptoms, but feeling vital, bright, happy, abundant and being able to deal with life effectively and creating a value in doing so - all without any medications, and with nothing more than what is available to us all from nature and from a balanced life. That is real health in the spirit of the word as well as the meaning) does come from some form of medication.  To get back to the insulin dependant person, I doubt any form of exercise, meditation, balanced lifestyle choices, stress management, etc is going to effect their life as much as insulin. Well then do some further research. You might doubt it, but that doesnt count as fact. The same can be said for persons whose disorder is of a brain chemical nature that manifests itself in a mood disorder. All this bit is a tangent from your own refusal to actually put the effort in to understand the meaning of my original post. It looks good, but its based on your own position not mine.

I hope this has cleared this up for you and any other reading this thread. You are not the authority to validate, or not, my statements. There is nothing for you to clear up, I am simply pointing out your inability to understand my post, with further clarification for you. I suggest you get out of your ivory tower, at least in your leisure time.

As someone else has commented on ... I hope the mods close this thread very soon as it is simply a re-hashing of previous threads on people 'being crazy' and is really leading no where.

Well, of course, you would as you already know the answers and it isnt any fun having to look again at your world view. I would suggest people keep their mouths shut as long as they want to keep their minds closed.
 
Try pulling any more of this bs on me and I will throw the matches away and toast you with napalm.

Wickad

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All comments added in blue are my remarks.



camille65 -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 7:39:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: brattysarahjane

i believe that with holding such information is kin to a breech of contract.  The trust in that relationship has been distroyed. 



I would expect to be told about this during the interview process, when I ask about illnesses, injuries and other health problems.


Not everyone thinks to ask. If not asked it is hard to bring up and it is hard when to know to bring it up. I'm not about to say what drugs I need on a first casual meet, it is personal and very important to me. I don't play on a first meet, that time of meeting is to see if there is the possibility for a second meet.

So when do I say it? I say it when there is a feeling of 'yes this can move forward'.
It is not their business if it is someone I am not going to see again. Much of that is also because I don't see it as medication for a behavioural issue, but medication for a personality/emotional issue stemming from physical problems.

However if it is someone I am talking to online chances are that they are aware of my physical problems. It is in my profile and if chatting there is the high probability that there will be times when my typing gets erratic so I tend to alert the person (whoever they are) to the issue.

Edited to add: GoldStallion, I understood what you meant btw.



velvetears -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 7:43:00 AM)

i would divulge personal info on my terms. If they can't deal with that then they aren't for me. i don't owe anyone explanations or information unless i feel i want pursue something more.  Nor would i ask another to.  



GoldStallion -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 7:59:47 AM)

camille

Glad you understood what I wrote, makes me feel I have not just thrown my little tantrum for no reason at all.

Now, where did my rattle go.....



Bobkgin -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 8:32:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: brattysarahjane

i believe that with holding such information is kin to a breech of contract.  The trust in that relationship has been distroyed. 



I would expect to be told about this during the interview process, when I ask about illnesses, injuries and other health problems.


Not everyone thinks to ask. If not asked it is hard to bring up and it is hard when to know to bring it up. I'm not about to say what drugs I need on a first casual meet, it is personal and very important to me. I don't play on a first meet, that time of meeting is to see if there is the possibility for a second meet.

So when do I say it? I say it when there is a feeling of 'yes this can move forward'.
It is not their business if it is someone I am not going to see again. Much of that is also because I don't see it as medication for a behavioural issue, but medication for a personality/emotional issue stemming from physical problems.

However if it is someone I am talking to online chances are that they are aware of my physical problems. It is in my profile and if chatting there is the high probability that there will be times when my typing gets erratic so I tend to alert the person (whoever they are) to the issue.


First, I am writing from the point of view of someone seeking a LTR, not something casual.

Second, if I was a nobody to the individual in question, such that they didn't feel a need to tell me about their illness, why are they pursuing anything with me?

Third, if I was someone with whom they'd want to pursue a relationship, why deceive me about their illness when asked? Do I not have a right to know -before- I engage my heart in a relationship? What other information will be withheld, and for what reason?

Seems to me withholding medical information can be seen as a form of entrapment: wait until the sucker is hooked before you reveal the full truth.

If this happens to be the individual you want for a relationship, how does this show respect to wait until the moment when it is most difficult for him to leave before giving him this information?

I've always felt it was better to get the 'bad news' out as soon as possible, to give those who do not want such an individual the chance to bow out gracefully and early. In seeking an LTR I want people who do not see the 'bad news' as 'bad' (iow, they embrace what most people reject).

I would not want to go days, weeks, months investing time in someone only then to reveal the 'bad news' and have them abandon the effort because of it.



camille65 -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 8:49:31 AM)


[/quote bobgkin]

First, I am writing from the point of view of someone seeking a LTR, not something casual.
So the very first time you meet someone you have already decided it is going to be long term. Lotta pressure there for the other party!

Second, if I was a nobody to the individual in question, such that they didn't feel a need to tell me about their illness, why are they pursuing anything with me?
Pursuing............. is not a first meet. Do you give everyone the impression that they have to give their entire history because you've decided that a first meet is a lifelong commitment?

Third, if I was someone with whom they'd want to pursue a relationship, why deceive me about their illness when asked? Do I not have a right to know -before- I engage my heart in a relationship? What other information will be withheld, and for what reason?
Oh for petes sake. Bob if you 'engage your heart' the first time you meet someone you are in for a whole lot of disappointment.

Seems to me withholding medical information can be seen as a form of entrapment: wait until the sucker is hooked before you reveal the full truth.
Entrapment?? Because I don't spill my entire life to a stranger the first time I meet them in a coffee bar? Oh yeah I really do search out suckers that I can hook in. Wow you are both judgemental and rude on this one.

If this happens to be the individual you want for a relationship, how does this show respect to wait until the moment when it is most difficult for him to leave before giving him this information?
Well golly, I guess that keeping my life private is a gross show of disrespect. I guess you had problems reading my post. I said that this applies to A FIRST MEET.

I've always felt it was better to get the 'bad news' out as soon as possible, to give those who do not want such an individual the chance to bow out gracefully and early. In seeking an LTR I want people who do not see the 'bad news' as 'bad' (iow, they embrace what most people reject).
What 'bad news'? Bowing out? I think those are your worries and issues coming to the forefront. I don't see someone needing medication as having bad news lol. Wow.

I would not want to go days, weeks, months investing time in someone only then to reveal the 'bad news' and have them abandon the effort because of it.
Let me try this one more time. I said I would not go into this subject on a first meet. First meaning the primary meet. First meaning not the second, not weeks, not months but actually first. And once again I have to just blink at your words of 'bad news'. What a truly sad and defeating way to see things.
That says an awful lot about you whether you realise it/believe it or not.
 
With your outlook I have to wonder if you ever have second meets.
 
Again you are pushing your morality and your thinking as the only correct way to be. Any one doing it differently is: disrespectful, looking to entrap, and deceitful
 
Bob the world does not spin on your way of doing things.


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collareddreams -> RE: "Partners on behavioral Meds..." (10/4/2007 8:51:52 AM)

I find myself the longer I am in the lifestyle surrounding myself with people who maybe not necessarily understand why I choose to serve someone but are accepting of the fact that without I don't feel whole...Without DISCIPLINE, does life really exist??? I don't like to have to "fake" and "hide" who it is that i am...I shouldn't have too... I work in management and all of my co-workers are well aware that i live within this lifestyle and support my choices...
~serenity



Prinsexx -> RE: "Partners on behavioral Meds..." (10/4/2007 9:22:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: collareddreams

I find myself the longer I am in the lifestyle surrounding myself with people who maybe not necessarily understand why I choose to serve someone but are accepting of the fact that without I don't feel whole...Without DISCIPLINE, does life really exist??? I don't like to have to "fake" and "hide" who it is that i am...I shouldn't have too... I work in management and all of my co-workers are well aware that i live within this lifestyle and support my choices...
~serenity


I think that's brilliant that colleagues know. I don't feel the need to hide or to be fake and that's why I felt the need to talk about my lifestyle choices when the situation required that I had to.  Otherwise, as an employee in education i don't feel the need to. Also, in client relationships I don't always feel the need to but sometimes iformation exchange is relevant. When someone comes for support and they feel they are the only one who ever felt the need to be totally owned, or they desire pain, it does support them to know that i understand not just from theory but from practice.
Your post has also made me consider this....having that feeling of being totally owned is wonderful and like a drug in itself......I mean if it enables you to feel whole and to function then isn't that the same as meds would do if you were in need of meds?
Anyway i loved the way you expressed your need in your post.



Bobkgin -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 9:25:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65


[/quote bobgkin]

First, I am writing from the point of view of someone seeking a LTR, not something casual.
So the very first time you meet someone you have already decided it is going to be long term. Lotta pressure there for the other party!
 
No. The only thing I've decided is that I am seeking LTRs, and I did that before I wrote my profile. I do not encourage casual encounters with me, and I lose interest if that is what the other person is seeking with me.

Second, if I was a nobody to the individual in question, such that they didn't feel a need to tell me about their illness, why are they pursuing anything with me?
Pursuing............. is not a first meet. Do you give everyone the impression that they have to give their entire history because you've decided that a first meet is a lifelong commitment?

See above. The interview process and the first meeting are all conducted under the assumption we are both seeking an LTR. As appearance is not something I grade, the first meeting is the first face-to-face where we can continue our discussions that started during the interview process.
 
Understand that given my location, that first meeting is held only after substantial discussions have led us to believe there is a possible future for us.

Third, if I was someone with whom they'd want to pursue a relationship, why deceive me about their illness when asked? Do I not have a right to know -before- I engage my heart in a relationship? What other information will be withheld, and for what reason?
Oh for petes sake. Bob if you 'engage your heart' the first time you meet someone you are in for a whole lot of disappointment.

Some of us find it easier to be compassionate and caring than others, Camille.
 
Mine is not a guarded heart.

Seems to me withholding medical information can be seen as a form of entrapment: wait until the sucker is hooked before you reveal the full truth.
Entrapment?? Because I don't spill my entire life to a stranger the first time I meet them in a coffee bar? Oh yeah I really do search out suckers that I can hook in. Wow you are both judgemental and rude on this one.

Or I am approaching this issue from a very different point of view than you.
 
I don't meet "strangers". I meet people I've talked with for weeks or longer and who already have a good idea of what my life has been like, as I should know them.

If this happens to be the individual you want for a relationship, how does this show respect to wait until the moment when it is most difficult for him to leave before giving him this information?
Well golly, I guess that keeping my life private is a gross show of disrespect. I guess you had problems reading my post. I said that this applies to A FIRST MEET.

And as you can see, we do the "first meet" differently. Meeting is not amongst the first things I do when getting to know someone, it is the culmination of all the talk that led up to it.

I've always felt it was better to get the 'bad news' out as soon as possible, to give those who do not want such an individual the chance to bow out gracefully and early. In seeking an LTR I want people who do not see the 'bad news' as 'bad' (iow, they embrace what most people reject).
What 'bad news'? Bowing out? I think those are your worries and issues coming to the forefront. I don't see someone needing medication as having bad news lol. Wow.

I don't think that speaks for everyone, Camille. A lot of people would prefer someone who doesn't need any medication, and to hear that someone they are considering is ill might cause them to look elsewhere.

I would not want to go days, weeks, months investing time in someone only then to reveal the 'bad news' and have them abandon the effort because of it.
Let me try this one more time. I said I would not go into this subject on a first meet. First meaning the primary meet. First meaning not the second, not weeks, not months but actually first. And once again I have to just blink at your words of 'bad news'. What a truly sad and defeating way to see things.
That says an awful lot about you whether you realise it/believe it or not.
 
Obviously because you've failed to understand my use of the term. To quote from above: "In seeking an LTR I want people who do not see the 'bad news' as 'bad' (iow, they embrace what most people reject)"
 
Use of 'bad news' is a form of self-deprecating humour. It is who I am, but I recognize that the majority would not prefer such qualities in a partner.
 
In my case, 'bad news' would be seeking two bisexual females for a poly relationship. I could withhold that information and get more interest and attention from my profile, but eventually that information has to come out and whenever that is I will lose the interest of those who do not want such a life.
 
I believe it is better and more respectful to reveal that information up front, get the 'bad news' out of the way, so that those who choose to remain do so being informed of the my expectations.


With your outlook I have to wonder if you ever have second meets.

That really depends upon compatability. I've yet to hear anyone complain that I released information too early. No one has ever said they'd wished I'd saved the information about a poly relationship till later. Indeed, one of the most frequently repeated compliments is the one that thanks me for such a complete and informative profile.

Again you are pushing your morality and your thinking as the only correct way to be. Any one doing it differently is: disrespectful, looking to entrap, and deceitful

No, Camille. I am expressing my way, my thoughts, what is right for me. I am explaining why my way works for me, and why I do not use a different way.
 
Each reader can decide for him/herself if it sounds like a way that will work for them.

Bob the world does not spin on your way of doing things.

I am well aware of that.
 
Have you seen the state of the world lately: unprovoked wars, genocide, global warming, environmental destruction, people starving, racism, sexism, homophobia, ...
 
Very obvious to me the world does not spin according to my way of doing things.





chellekitty -> RE: "Partners on behavioural Meds..." (10/4/2007 9:31:14 AM)

wow bob, that font is annoying and thats against forum guidelines...



Mercnbeth -> RE: "Partners on behavioral Meds..." (10/4/2007 9:34:30 AM)

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Let me try this one more time. I said I would not go into this subject on a first meet. First meaning the primary meet. First meaning not the second, not weeks, not months but actually first. And once again I have to just blink at your words of 'bad news'. What a truly sad and defeating way to see things.
That says an awful lot about you whether you realize it/believe it or not.
 
With your outlook I have to wonder if you ever have second meets.
camille,
Your entire post was so on point and logical you are doomed to be blocked.

Regarding the quoted area; as intimate as beth and I are with each other and have tried to disclose just about every nuance and quirk, like and dislike, fantasy and fetish, to each other, I only found out two months ago that she liked oysters!

Consider this, if the situation was that she hated or was allergic to oysters and she didn't tell me and subsequently she disclosed that at a dinner where I ordered them the position of Bob would be to "withdraw" his dominance because after all - she hadn't disclosed this and by definition she is guilty of a "betrayal of trust". I guess the logic is better to eat the oyster and die than risk the "withdraw". (O.o) 



Bobkgin -> RE: "Partners on behavioral Meds..." (10/4/2007 9:36:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: collareddreams

I find myself the longer I am in the lifestyle surrounding myself with people who maybe not necessarily understand why I choose to serve someone but are accepting of the fact that without I don't feel whole...Without DISCIPLINE, does life really exist??? I don't like to have to "fake" and "hide" who it is that i am...I shouldn't have too... I work in management and all of my co-workers are well aware that i live within this lifestyle and support my choices...
~serenity


I think that's brilliant that colleagues know. I don't feel the need to hide or to be fake and that's why I felt the need to talk about my lifestyle choices when the situation required that I had to.  Otherwise, as an employee in education i don't feel the need to. Also, in client relationships I don't always feel the need to but sometimes iformation exchange is relevant. When someone comes for support and they feel they are the only one who ever felt the need to be totally owned, or they desire pain, it does support them to know that i understand not just from theory but from practice.
Your post has also made me consider this....having that feeling of being totally owned is wonderful and like a drug in itself......I mean if it enables you to feel whole and to function then isn't that the same as meds would do if you were in need of meds?
Anyway i loved the way you expressed your need in your post.



"All you need is Love."

"All you need is Love."

"All you need is Love, love, Love is all you need."

Beatles.



xoxi -> RE: "Partners on behavioral Meds..." (10/4/2007 9:42:07 AM)

Meh.

"Money can't buy you love...but it can buy a bed to fuck in"
-some comedian



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