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Soulhuntre -> RE: Security and trust in absolute/TPE relationships (10/12/2005 10:46:18 AM)
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
Maybe this has already been discussed in another thread at some point but the topic doesn't seem to come up as often as others. In "absolute" Owner/property, total power exchange relationships, the slave or property is expected to give up all rights. This may and usually does involve giving up the rights to income earned, property owned, ability to make even the smallest decision, etc.
You sure would think so but it is amazing the number of people I meet who consider themselves owned or in an absolute relationship who retain the final say on many things.
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
It occurred to me that in this kind of relationship it would be easier to trust the person one is legally married to versus simply living together with or merely seeing long distance. In other words, the slave who is legally married to her owner will find it far easier to be a slave because law inherent in a marriage contract itself would provide some security and protection for the slave and all children involved to a degree, making it easier to trust and essentially live this particular lifestyle.
That isn't trust... that is managing a lack of trust. Basically what you are saying is that you would find it easier to trust someone if there was less you had to trust him about and there was some outside authority who could force him to comply with your wishes if need be.
Now that is totally valid, but lets be sure we know what we are discussing.
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
Handing all rights, property, finances, and decision making power to an owner a slave isn't legally married to seems like it could involve great risk. How can property be assured they won't be taken advantage of?
There is risk... and it is managed by trying to make good choices.
One of the reasons I do not marry property is specifically to force this choice. If they are not ready to be my property despite this risk then I don't have use for them as property.
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
If a slave comes to an owner with nothing, financial or otherwise, there's little to lose at that moment; but if children and significant assets are involved wouldn't it be wise that this kind of relationship occur under circumstances that ensure the future protection and security of all involved?
How someone chooses to ensure their security is up to them. Some people feel they need that protection to be a legally enforcable one and others do not.
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
I hear so very little from owners regarding how they will implement and provide protection and financial security in the event things don't work out for the slaves/submissives they are not married to.
There are a few reasons for that - not the lease of which is because most people don't generally like to discuss their finances and another is because there isn't much point :)
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
I wondered for about the hundredth time why that is. I'm not just talking about an owner saying he will provide security either. I wonder how many are actually willing to put it in writing and legalize it, and how quickly they are willing to do so?
Since I don't promise security in exchange for ownership or service the answer is never. Desiring to serve or be owned by me is not nor is it intended to be a business decision. If someone is not willing to do it accepting the risk that at any time they may find themselves dismissed and sent away with nothing then don't request a place in my house.
Now, do I intend that to happen? No. Am I that kind of person? No. But will I promise or take legal action to make someone feel better? Hell no.
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
In reality if a slave isn't married to her owner, she and her children are at his mercy if serious problems should arise and she wants out or if he decides to release her. He has her property, assets, paycheck, etc. and it is then completely up to him what he'll do with it.
Sort of. We live in a seriously lawsuit happy society right now. There are innumerable opportunities in such a situation for lawsuits not to mention the omnipresent threat that she may go to the police and decide it was all really rape, abuse and kidnapping instead of a relationship. This does in fact provide her with tremendous leverage if she chooses to (ab)use it.
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ORIGINAL: themischievous1
She has nothing in the bank and nothing in her name. This is leading me to the belief that the slave who is legally married to her owner will find the role of property to be far less challenging versus the slave who isn't.
The challenge I can't speak to - but the trust level will obviously be more of an issue the more you have to actually trust people :)
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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
take care of such things...my Master is different. He doesn't want me to understand insurance, and mortgages, and driving, and most of the things that people tend to think of as necessary knowledge for independent living. He wishes me to be as helpless and utterly dependent on him as possible...that is what he needs in a slave/mate. others are different and that's fine.
You betcha. If your happy then it sounds way cool :)
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