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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 10/5/2007 7:02:21 PM   
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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 10/5/2007 10:47:46 PM   
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2)  The media is in the hands of relatively few corporate interests.  Nazi Germany showed this quite clearly- control the media- you've got the country.




Yes and 911 is a perfect example of that!!!

From the faux video clip:

Invincible 757 Flys Through Wtc 2

Bursts into flames on the other side!


OOOoops!  NO HOLE! CLOSE UP


OOOoops NO HOLE DISTANT


Invincible 757's that can go through both sides of a steel building and leave an invisib;e hole on the other side!!  Sweet!


Oh and the latest news for those asleep at the wheel :)

Pentagon flight 77 data recorder has been analysed.  The plane never went under 273 feet altitude and flew right past the pentagon.

Silverstein proven to be a liar.

Not only by falsifying and obfuscating his statement about pull it.

For those who may think I am lying; From the desk of the Grammar Teacher:

I get your meaning now. And you're right, and the word "And" is part of the linguistic flag here:
pull it = demolish the building
"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it (to demolish the building).' And they made that decision to pull (to demolish) and then we watched the building collapse."
Linguistic evidence
If we assume that pull it means to pull (the plug on) the operation, to stop the operation, then the second pull doesn't fit grammatically, because it would have to carry the same meaning. It'd have to be "....they made the decision to pull out ...", a different verb altogether.

The problem here, or rather the apparent problem, is the phrase pull it. It's ambiguous, that is, it has two potential meanings:

1) to end an operation, to pull out of an operation
2) to demolish a building

If the idiom pull it means to pull out of an operation, then its base verb form to pull should follow semantically. That is, in order to keep the same meaning, which is evident by the speaker's use of the conjunction "And" which connects the two sentences, to pull would have to be to pull out.

In short, you are correct. Good eye! Pull in pull it and to pull means to demolish, not to pull out. To pull is short for pull it.


When Silverstein said he was talking about pulling the firement out the state department agreed and repeated it.

This has been shown to false because all the firemen were out of the building nearly 6 hours earlier.

So there you have it?   ( Nazi Germany showed this quite clearly- control the media- you've got the country.)

hideehee hideeho, off to war we go!

Anyway nothing new here; not worth talking about :)  LOL

Nice to know we can all sleep well!









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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 10/6/2007 2:23:34 AM   
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Having visited Berlin in the past few months



Same here, we could have been there at the same time.

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But if we look at our own history- we've kind of been here before too.  Consider- that through the 1850-1912 period- the American Senate was widely regarded as an old boy's club- with Senators in the pocket of big business.  The idea that Senators represented the citizen in any way, shape or form, was laughable- they were making a fortune in bribes.  The guy who broke apart the system was Homer Smith, the Senator from Michigan, who made his mark during the Titanic investigation.  (It really was a watershed event in politics.) 



I'd say this is where the US departs from fascism; fascism demands that business is subservient to the state, because the state needs to ensure that business acts in the interests of the national ideal.

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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 10/7/2007 9:22:33 AM   
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I'd say this is where the US departs from fascism; fascism demands that business is subservient to the state, because the state needs to ensure that business acts in the interests of the national ideal.



So what is the difference between out right demanding or using our tax money to buy them, incentives, no bid contracts etc  etc?   I do not see that as a departure but a new way of doing business


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This will freak you the fuck out.... - 11/5/2007 9:47:54 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc&e



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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 11/5/2007 10:32:29 PM   
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Here's a 40 minute video of Naomi Wolf discussing the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc&e



The comment on the bottom from the poster with the moniker '' MrXfromPlanetX '' - is equally telling.

Google HR 1955 - New subversive legislation --designed to attack the internet and quell an internal rebellion-- authored by a full-blown, power-hungry AIPAC sycophant. And she's Democrat!!!!








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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 11/6/2007 12:07:44 AM   
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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 11/6/2007 7:27:14 AM   
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Imagine how hard it would be to set any kind of policy if there needed to be an agreement in congress. Some decisions right or wrong must be made quickly. The leader must be given power to make those decisions and all we can hope for is we picked the right man or woman.

It may be slow and take time but the American people will force change and demand good leadership
Butch


This was supposed to be a country where representatives represented the sentiments of the people not leaders.   Dictators monarchs etc are leaders.  Representatives are followers.

The problems are and you can see it clearly on this site, that if its not "NEWS" ots old and not worth looking at any more.  Hence the mistakes and bad judgements of previous presidents never get entirely cleaned up as we have this lets move forward mentality.

We need to look backward and clean up the mess they made in previous times before we move forward and that requires the patience to look at "old news". 

We now have a garbage pile of toxic legal waste that is poisioning our ground water.

This country was set up that way for a purpose and those stumbling blocks of congress built in for a purpse to make it hard.

That is the checks and balances incorporated into this government at the first level, the next level is by kicking them out with votes and the final level is a revolution.

I prefer the first level.  it should never come to kicking them out with votes/impeachment etc.




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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 11/6/2007 8:50:56 AM   
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"Every election year, the voters stagger to the polls and vote dry."

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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 11/6/2007 9:38:02 AM   
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In about 13 months it will be over when Bush goes.


So under the circumstances HR 1955 is nothing to be concerned with?


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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 11/6/2007 12:05:02 PM   
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In about 13 months it will be over when Bush goes.


So under the circumstances HR 1955 is nothing to be concerned with?



Not really.
Look at all the laws that we have on the books now that aren't being enforced!

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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 11/6/2007 2:04:51 PM   
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In about 13 months it will be over when Bush goes.


So under the circumstances HR 1955 is nothing to be concerned with?



Not really.
Look at all the laws that we have on the books now that aren't being enforced!


I dont remember the last time i looked at my monitor and actually winced.  LOL

i immediately had this vision of the old cartoon with bugs bunny hammering on live ammo and if it didnt go off writing dud on it.


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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 12/3/2007 12:25:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know, I knew I had seen something like this before. Finally, I have re-discovered the earlier version of this:

"The 14 Characteristics of Fascism" by Lawrence Britt
Free Inquiry magazine, Spring 2003
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

It just shows how there's nothing new under the sun. Similar opinions on the same events. Not so surprising really. Maybe there are dozens of such published outlines on this political strategy.

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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 12/3/2007 2:07:33 PM   
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he is living in Branson Missouri

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RE: This will freak you the fuck out.... - 12/3/2007 2:11:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting that here in a conservative area- that a few were venement on reversing the Patriot act.  We dont hear too much about that now.

One would think- with war- that music and arts would go wild.  the 60s made some great music.  so why is it different this time?  maybe - no draft.  a media echo chamber.  so called news which is really tabloid journalism!

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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 12/3/2007 2:22:31 PM   
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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 12/4/2007 1:55:03 AM   
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Damn, Churro, sounds like we may need to start shooting a bunch of folks.



Well the biggest problem is when you have thousands of 911 eye witnesses that disagree with the official report and many people who worked around the investigation calling it a farce.

Thats usually a good sign of a nation in deep shit.






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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 12/4/2007 3:56:36 PM   
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Wolf wrote quite an interesting essay a few years ago, on abortion:
 
http://www.priestsforlife.org/prochoice/ourbodiesoursouls.htm




Makes very valid points!  I might be the only one who read it!  But it was worth reading.  Thank you for the link!

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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 12/4/2007 4:02:30 PM   
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I wouldn't say we are a fascist or totalitarian state yet, but we are obviously on course to becoming one. And quickly too. This will happen before you fully realize it has happened and that you can't do much to stop it.



Be careful, talk like that will be outlawed by Mrs Clinton once she takes power.


You do realize that people have been targeted by Monkey in the Middle for years and years now... we do not have to wait for Clinton to take power to be afraid for our freedom of speech... and with any luck Clinton will not be the next president.. she hasn't won the primary yet.


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RE: The Rise of Fascism in America - 12/4/2007 4:30:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The biggest problem with Fascism, Dictatorships, and Monarchies are people see one person as a representative of their will.  They don't vote for their local leaders and local congressmen, but they do vote for the president.  Then when things go badly locally, they hold the president responsible.  When the economy goes well, they praise the president.  It's hero worship to the greatest degree.

They don't realize that the president, while having a great deal of power, is beholden to the wisdom and skills of those he employs.  The only thing Bush knows about the Middle East is what his advisors tell him; they reach advisory positions, based on more based on fidelity to him, than on any genuine skill, talent, or ability in their field. 

A look at how dismal democracy seems to work in third world countries (Bolivia, Venezuela) illustrates the same thing.  Educated and responsible citizens are necessary to allow a democracy to function.  Without both qualities, the citizenry becomes a tool for the rich and powerful.

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