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A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 3:26:00 PM   
Superman42280


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I'm not saying I beleive this, just curious what the female subs/slaves here think. Is submission a choice for the individual or do any females here think that it's a woman's place to obey? That all women should obey?

Again, not saying I think this, just curious what the women subs/slaves on here think....
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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 3:30:27 PM   
oceanprincess


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Status: offline 		Submission is a choice. I don't feel that it's a women's place to obey, other women can do whatever they want to do, and it's alright by me.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 3:33:32 PM   
sultryvoice


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Status: offline 		This comes down to personal choice. If the sub has the need to obey then by all means do so. If this is part of that has been negotiated, then that is between that submissive and her Dominant. Personally, I make the choice to obey and it will be part of my negotiations.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 3:39:28 PM   
perfection20005


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Status: offline 		I believe its a choice and up the the individual. I think I was born submissive and have never had much problem obeying orders, but only from my Husband/Master. I don't have to obey anyone else.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 3:44:21 PM   
Hissweetshiv


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Status: offline 		{Grins} I've said it before and i'll say it again. Master can give me Orders - anyone else can ask nicely and hope for the best.
Obeying blindly is not a "woman's place" unless that's the place she agreed to. There are some truly wonderful Dominant Ladies out there who would laugh at the idea of it being Their place to obey a man.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 4:05:57 PM   
fourpeas


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Status: offline 		HA HA HA!

I only obey a few people. I *serve* and try to love all. But obeying orders? Give me a f#*@ing break. The same people who believe that it's a "woman's place to obey" are also the same people who think that the things "we" do, we shouldn't be allowed to do. And so on and so forth.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 4:21:31 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I guess some people think a woman's place is to obey, but I've never thought so, and don't think that really has much to do with BDSM, either. BDSM isn't about who is supposed to obey whom, nor is it about the way the world is supposed to work. It's about being who you are, no more and no less. Someone who is born submissive is fulfilled by submitting. Anyone else is not.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 4:24:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fourpeas

HA HA HA!

I only obey a few people. I *serve* and try to love all. But obeying orders? Give me a f#*@ing break. The same people who believe that it's a "woman's place to obey" are also the same people who think that the things "we" do, we shouldn't be allowed to do. And so on and so forth.


I hear ya sister! Oops . . . I mean I agree with fourpeas. I sub to one, and try to show some degree of respect to all (people make that difficult sometimes).






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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 4:24:42 PM   
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quote:

I'm not saying I beleive this, just curious what the female subs/slaves here think. Is submission a choice for the individual or do any females here think that it's a woman's place to obey? That all women should obey?

Again, not saying I think this, just curious what the women subs/slaves on here think....


I dare you to post this question on the "Ask a Mistress" forum.

I don't feel it is a females place to obey. I am female. I am a submissive to my dominant. Yet, many obey me on a daily basis.
Most are men at that. Wonder what they would say if I asked the question of them?

I've always identified with a different time and place than the life we live today. Perhaps that is why I identify with being a submissive.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 5:14:14 PM   
littleone35


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Status: offline 		Submission is a choice that a person makes. I also felt i was born submissive. and i did obey my late Master but that was my choice to do so.

There was a reason they took "to love, honor, and obey" out of the wedding vows changed to "to love honor and cherish." So most prople agreed it is not a womans place to obey.

littleone

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 5:25:39 PM   
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Is submission a choice for the individual or do any females here think that it's a woman's place to obey?


Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting question. I love this.

Outside of my bedroom, I am fiercly independent. I take orders from no one that doesn't issue me a paycheck. I take REQUESTS, I am respectful, and I do my best to do what I feel is right. If that means complying with someone's request, so be it. But you can be damn sure if someone points a finger at me and says "you, girl, do this," they're going to be moments away from either a verbal or literal ass whipping.

And yes, this includes my boyfriend. The problem is that he knows this... and the side effect is that any time he tries to give me an order, it BECOMES a sexualized situation... this is awkward in public, I assure you. I hear that change in tone, the words become a little sharper and my knees go weak, regardless of where we are or what we're doing.

*grumble* if the little bastard doesn't quit doing that in the grocery store, I swear...

But anyhow, yes. Submission is a choice. And even for submissive women, I think, it is possible to pick and choose WHEN to submit. I display very few submissive qualities outside of my sexuality.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 5:43:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just posed this question here and now that the laughter is dying down let me say that I'm the dominant head of this household..but my two looked at me a darned near busted their guts in laughter...short point...if I ever step out of my role as being who I've always been and start spouting out orders...except during play or if I'm displeased...I'll see blazing red eyes and claws I've never seen before...they do what they do out of love and respect..not because I could order it if I wanted...that may cause a problem...hey..I'm not even gonna go there...I like calm waters...lol

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 5:53:15 PM   
brightspot


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Status: offline 		I have a problem with "every woman should obey".

My personal thoughts.....
I think every sub has a choice, but a natural
strong inclination.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/25/2005 9:02:06 PM   
Jennylu48


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Status: offline 		OH MY what a topic!!!!
I am sure that there are some people out there (both men and women) who still feel that a woman's duty is to obey. However over the last 60 years or so, women have become empowered to to more. Women's place is no longer to be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen" Women have come very far in a world that had previously totally dominated by men. These gains have not come easy and I personally do not believe that many if any women would like to think that their place is just to obey.

Now as related to the lifestyle, personally i adore obeying my Master. No task seem to be too difficult. But it is MY CHOICE TO OBEY. I see it as a large part of my submission to him.

Like other women here, I am a professional by day and I command respect from both my boss and my subordanants. Even my boss is careful how he deals with me and the tone in which he ASKS for things to be done. Notice I didn't say ordered. Maybe it is just perception ... but one is asked rather than told, one does not consciously view it as being orderd.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/26/2005 7:58:03 AM   
plantlady64


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What a male chauvinist pig statement you’ve made. I think there are more vanilla men who are the ones to obey their women. If you think about it, most family's I've known leave most of the household decisions to the ladies. In sales & telemarketing most men say, "You have to talk to my Wife". I think it's more the norm for the women to be in control of a relationship. In the dating world you don't have sex till she's ready. I haven't heard of any men being in control of when the first kiss, feel, or intercourse happens. In all I think it's mostly women taking care of the men like little boys, and deciding when things happen, what to eat, how to keep the house, writing out the bills and dealing with the finances, and what's best for day to day life. Over all men usually are involved in big financial purchases and planning for the family financial future, but women who daily grease the cog of life.
I am My Masters slave. Even though I'm his slave I keep the house the way I see fit, I choose what our family eats, and I'm the one who most of the time answers the kids requests. He has full veto power, but taking care of My Master, the Family and home are my responsibility.
I think there are also as many sub males listening to their Domme females as there are male Doms in charge.
So in my response my answer has to be a big fat NO.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/26/2005 8:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the case where it is; it is. In the case where it isn't; it isn't. If I insert man instead of woman and call it contrapositive ('cause I can't think of the correct word) that would stand in the same light, insofar as I am concerned.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/26/2005 8:30:29 AM   
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quote:

Is submission a choice for the individual or do any females here think that it's a woman's place to obey? That all women should obey?


this slave believes that submission is a choice, regardless of gender. this slave grew up in a household that had clearly defined "men's work" and "women's work". for example, this slave was not allowed to touch tools or speak with "foul language", brother could say whatever he pleased and never had to clean anything inside the house. obedience was expected by all with respect to a different set of rules according to gender.

this slave made a conscious choice to enter into a D/s M/s relationship where it is expected by both of us that this slave will obey Master--not because she is female, but because this female is Master's slave.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/26/2005 5:17:28 PM   
faithNZ


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Status: offline 		I'm a female (at least that's what is says on my drivers licence ) but I certainly do not feel that it is my place to obey a man just because he is a man. I'm frequently in situations where I may be given an order with the different jobs I have and I obey them because that's the job. Then again, it's not uncommon for me to be issuing the order either.
To obey someone, to me at least, means that I have to have respect for the other person, and respect is earned, not granted.

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/26/2005 6:26:55 PM   
Mylee


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Status: offline 		I obey Master at all times, as for everyone else? Depends if it's me or EVIL PMS me...mauhahahahah...*grins.....evily* if it's EVIL PMS me no chance in hell for obediance if your not the one holding my leash...if it's just me without my evil side, then I'm pretty well behaved and respectiful to all, men and women alike

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RE: A woman's place to obey? - 7/26/2005 6:30:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		i personally don't much hold with gender roles. Obedience due to gender is a rather old-fashioned concept. It locks both men and women into roles that they might not be psychologically suited for. i do what needs and wants to be done. If an activity is traditionally "female" then fine, if it's a "male" activity it still gets done.

i think that for most people submissive traits are inherent, but submission is voluntary.

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