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IF: New website advice - 10/3/2007 9:25:55 PM   
Termyn8or


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Something a friend said tonight made some sense and gave me an idea. He started on the value of money, and I railroded it into the real value of gold and silver. But I am not here to talk about investments, not at all.

Real wealth is defined in a different way, at least by me. I have a different slant on things so here goes. All the wealth of the world belongs to those who do useful work. It is stolen from them on a daily basis by people who couldn't begin to do their jobs, OK some could.

The less you work the richer you get it seems, but it is actually the opposite. I mean this on two different levels. For one you could figure out how to work less and make more. The opportunities are out there, but it is not one of those scams "Turn $6 into..." or anything like that. It seems simple to get rich, you start a business and once you get it afloat you turn it over to your number one, or somone you can trust. I don't just mean trust with your money, I mean trust their judgement.

Once you get that up and running, you have free time and can go do it again, and pretty much double your income. This can be done again and again. So you can make money, even with among the smallest of businesses.

I recall a thread in humor, but it was true. Entitled the less you work the more you earn, it postulated a formula which was not quite right. But it did show the basic concept. Time is money.

For example let's say you work and make $100, in one hour a week. Why can't you start up another thing going and use one of the other 167 hours in that week to make another $100 ? Such as it goes for business. When the place can run itself, get out. Sure you might have to stop back from time to time, but you have very little to do with day to day operations. This is where the less knowledge part comes in. You set yourself up something that makes you X a week and you only spend X time a week dealing with it. So do it again and double your income. Yes it is easier said than done, but it can be done and it has been done.

So much for fake wealth.

Now for the real wealth. How would you create wealth, by mining gold or silver ?

The real wealth of a nation is in it's citizens' work. It is precisely that which makes the rich rich. And the fact that we, the skilled, have become proletarians because we sell them all of our skills at a discount rate. They get a rakeoff on everything plus tack on a profit.

So this is how the rich get rich. Do not come crying saying you were never told. Now the question becaome what to do about it. One has to be a realist and get it in their head that we cannot break the money addiction overnight, and you heard me right. Break the money addiction. Stop buying, get everything paid down, or off if you can. Keep your car for ten years intead of trading it in in two. Fix the old TV, washing mashine etc., instead of buying new, within reason of course.

Considering all this and alot of other things, I have what may be a new idea. Consider this website, what it offers. Somehow it does that without dues. Sometimes I think the actual owners of this site like to encourage discussion and want to archive it for some reason. Actually I am all for that. Did we type all of this for nothing ?

My idea is for a website for people with real skills, to build repair or run etc., things that would come in handy if money no longer existed. Actually maybe there could be an accounting and legal section, but if you get the gist of it.

Think of the structure of CM, and just apply different variables. Give it the right name like peoplewithskills.com or something like that. This (CM) software would be fine, I wonder what it costs. It would be a bit different though. Your contact info could be in a post maybe, the categories are of course different, but there is still an internal mail system.

The rules would be different, and there would be dues, but when you pay your dues you get to decide, based on their application, whether or not new members are allowed to join. Each member has one vote, and not being foolish like some, it would not be a secret ballot. You stand behind your decisions, not a cloak of anonymity.

I really do not have all the details on how to set it up, but we need a solidarity, we need to know what happens if a shitload of us across the country do not go to work. If the tyrants are to be tamed, this is the only way, to show them where their wealth really comes from. It is the cumulative effect of our own labor, and last I heard they say we are not slaves. Therefore we can stop anytime we want. Well we could but for that addiction to money.

So just when you thought I was nuts, here I am to prove it. But for this site of which I speak, there are entrance requirements. Diplomas and GEDs don't crack the nut. You take OUR test.

I also intend to promote barter, and I mean without taxes. Taxes apply when money changes hands, if it does not they can go F... you know. Don't get me started on that unless you want it all, do the other side if you want, but that would not be on this topic. It may be hard to discern the topic, boil it down, I want a website for people with skills to have like a national organization and eventually develop some solidarity. Possibly effect a positive change in the country.; If nothing else some voting blocs. At least it is something.

So what are you doing ?

T
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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/3/2007 9:37:00 PM   
CuriousLord


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You know, you really need to provide an abstract or/and short at the top of your posts.  :P

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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/3/2007 11:20:01 PM   
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For example let's say you work and make $100, in one hour a week. Why can't you start up another thing going and use one of the other 167 hours in that week to make another $100 ? Such as it goes for business. When the place can run itself, get out. Sure you might have to stop back from time to time, but you have very little to do with day to day operations. This is where the less knowledge part comes in. You set yourself up something that makes you X a week and you only spend X time a week dealing with it. So do it again and double your income. Yes it is easier said than done, but it can be done and it has been done.


If you imply real people that do make real money at a given rate of $100/hr or more?  I know several who make plenty more than that working in the investment field.  The only problem is the company, even if you are the owner and CEO of such company, does require accountability for your finances during and off the job.  These include your bank statements, your own private investments, ownership of properties, investments in any other business etc. No one who owns stocks in your business itself wants you out making a fast buck elsewhere that absorbs your time and energy (moonlighting).  It makes bad, untrustworthy business. Not only is it ethical responsibility, imagine if your broker had a business on the side that was 1. direct competition with your advised stock? or 2. his business flopped? How can you trust an analyst/broker who does not have the keen eye or knowledge of prioritization to run a business efficiently?

Not sure if this is what you meant but that is why people with the education skills to hold jobs at that rate of $100+/hr do not ethically spread themselves thin as such.  They do what they KNOW well and do it well for themselves or for a corporation.

As far as a place like this and the members 'timesharing' skills uhhh LOLLLL, who would actually be accountable for checking references of these people?  What is the accountability if they have poor judgement? How do they thereafter behave once their skill is a known/given and they expect priority over those with lesser (of same) skill or even others.  There are enough artificial power trips on any given internet space juiced with half-truths from people who may or may not even have the skills to mop floors at k-mart.  

You dream the impossible.  What you suggest is an internet job pool or 'ask an expert' website which there are many of. It is also a fact that all such sites give a written disclaimer that 'all advice taken at your own risk'.

What am I doing? waiting for my floors to dry. lmao.


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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 3:25:49 AM   
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Its a nice idea T - but as C4U indicated in a round about sort of way, it only really works when those involved know one another personally and trust one another personally. Otherwise we're back at some point to creating a currency of some sort, by way of external authority, whereby the skills of one plumber (for instance) can be compared to the skills of another, can be compared to the work of an electrician, can be compared to the food produced by the farmer.

Yes, the whole system is a mess. Yes, hard work means nothing - the graveyards are full of people who worked hard and died poor. Yes, skills means nothing - only what they amount to in pounds, shillings and pence, as determined by those with the money in the first place who know we need to eat.

I agree with you that if we could change the system, it would be great - but I just see no way to do that without total revolution and the accompanying problems that brings, even if one had the power to achieve it. People need to eat.

The only thing to do then is, as you pointed out, to get rich without becoming wealthy - for wealth is control of the land and its production, the raw materials - the stuff which everyone needs. My personal plan is to get rich in this way - franchising a brand across Europe then selling the whole thing for a fortune in paper (or electronic) money, which I will then use to buy control of land, food production and raw materials, in order to become wealthy.

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In a test against the leading brand, 9 out of 10 participants couldnt tell the difference. Dumbasses.

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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 7:57:35 AM   
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One of the very first things you would find with this scheme is that many people have not got the skills that they believe they have.

Also with a barter economy on average all would end up poorer  because of the limited access to goods to barter. ie if I wanted a cheap pillow from China, which I bought this morning, how would barter help me get it ?

Just imagine the complex but nearly invisible transactions that have occured to bring that pillow to my bed. Amazing !

Me blig flan of Chinese manuflacture


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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 8:15:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I want a website for people with skills to have like a national organization and eventually develop some solidarity.

It will be infiltrated and subverted. Satan must be served. Creation was set up that way.

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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 9:47:07 AM   
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quote:

One of the very first things you would find with this scheme is that many people have not got the skills that they believe they have.


Yes, but some believe they have the skills they say they have LOL, even scarier.

and barter is great if in a common area/neigborhood such as a hood yard sale, but anything on a larger scope would be havok on an economy in general and eventually if the 'fad' became big enough the government would find a way to tax the items. The only true barter now is charity; a goods or service given to benefit without any payback except a 'thank you'.  Even tattoo parlours take in cash for services, no tit for tat.

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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 11:12:05 AM   
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OK- my income is fixed- as I retired early. Being that I do as well now as I did when I worked a lowly job- I shoot from it this way.  I never pay retail. Right now- I am paying a guy $5 an hour. He needs cash- and Im a buddy. He is painting. The mistint cans at Lowes are $5 a gallon. So cheap paint. He is starting the replacement windows. Which I bought from a supplier- the bargain bin. 5k worth of windows, $850. The trick is the puzzle on peicing the peices so it looks nice. [yes- he will earn more for harder work]

Bringing my home up to a value of say 70k is prudent. Too much more and it wont sell. So putting value in my home is wise. Now- did I pay market rate for my house? nope. It was a foreclosure. 5 other parties were compting for it. I called in some favors and was persistent. I scored it.  at 32.5k, appraised at 54,800.00.

Some materials I have dumpster dived for. Yup.

Now this leaves me cash- to go to the dentist- eat out- or travel if I so choose. If I paid retail- there would be no cash for that.

I never even bought a new car. The 2 vehicles I have are older- but paid for.

--> today I needed a few 2by4s- it is time sensitive so i paid full price on them. [holding up the work] so for convenience I will pay more- if the benefit is worth it.

I personally wont be rich. I dont expect to either. My brother will. When a family member does well- in theory it can elevate the family.

In doing home improvements. I did landscaping first- then insulation. Items w alot of bang for the buck.

I sorta would like to be a snow bird- or move to acreage. If anyone has any thrifty ways to achieve this lemme know.

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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 12:19:50 PM   
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quote:

I sorta would like to be a snow bird- or move to acreage. If anyone has any thrifty ways to achieve this lemme know.


PA is beautiful, especially in fall and the deepest, coldest time of winter when the trees are bursting with icicles.

I would look into a timeshare with someone you trust from a sunny/beachy southern state for a week or so per year. 

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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 1:20:24 PM   
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Thank you! Yes PA is beautiful. It is hard to believe the hardwood trees were plunderred.  Now they are back. Yould have to go to the Pacifc Northwest to find better hardwoods in the US. THe 6 county area called the "Pennsylvania Wilds", consists of among other areas- the Alegheny Forest, route 6 in the Northern tier is spectacular.

Here is the Susquehanna Valley- Amish from Lancaster  have  migrating- in effect driving up the price of land. So ild have to go north, west or south.  I know there are other nice places in the world. [but] PA has worked for me. So permanent residence will remain here.

I dont really want to be stuck with 2 places- hmm.

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RE: IF: New website advice - 10/4/2007 1:28:04 PM   
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I'd imagine there would be plenty of kink-friendly people who would jump at the chance to play 'trading spaces' with you if they perhaps have a potential play partner in your local area (especially couples).  A free home trade is much safer and far less expensive than motel/hotel fees.  The only costs would be your travel expenses and a few days of groceries. Of course the same rules would apply as if you were leaving a teenybopper on his/her own: No parties, No company, No drugs etc etc. A simple 'respect my property' contract, verbal or in writing.

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