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MsKittyBlack -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 6:57:40 AM)

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BoiJen -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 6:58:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hermione83

I realize that a mother and child are connected, are bonded eternally, and the child lives and feeds off of the mother. But what I mean is, it is a separate soul, person, from the mother. It is not like the mother's eyes or mouth. It get's half of it's DNA from it's mother, but it is not, ever, in fact, it's mother. They are not the same.

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Two readings influenced me a lot. One was the Barbara Ehrenreich essay that I quoted earlier in the thread. I was particularly struck by her point that having abortion as a safety net allows women to use safer birth-control options.


This is one reason why I don't have sex. The fact that I don't want kids, and I never would allow myself to think that there's a violent back-up that would help me get *my* life in order. I don't think this should ever be considered a safety net. You might as well have just said that if you can kill a rich person and take their money, it's okay to gamble with your own. What? If you have sex, the consequences should be yours. It was your deed. Not your child's.



Okay...let's get this info right. You're a virgin and don't have kids..makes sense. It's be funny if you were a virgin with kids.

People don't have abortions as a safety net. Let's get real. Abortions are at times expensive proceedures and .50 condoms are pretty cheap. Or Oral sex...last I checked women don't get pregnant by swallowing.

This idea of "you have sex so deal with it" is ridiculous. This has nothing to do with age or experience. People have sexual activity in their lives from before they realize it's sexual these days. And just because you choose not to have sex doesn't mean that others should make the same choice. Make a choice about your own body and your own pregnancy before finding yourself so high and mighty to make a judgement on anyone elses actions.

And yes a dependant life form within a womb is completely part of the host. That's why it's dependant. Hell even after a child is born they are dependant as I've never seen an infant survive without the help of being nurished by an independant being.

Lastly, no one I have ever met is "pro-abortion" just pro-choice. And I feel like the pro-lifers, not just you, really treat the pro-choice view as "pro-abortion." Obviously not right.

Please don't think I'm picking on you. You just happen to be one of the ones vocing a certain opinion. I'm sure you're not the only one with it and I'm sure I'm not the only one with the opinion that I have


PS I think all of MsK's "posts" are my fuck ups lol




sexyred1 -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 7:01:53 AM)

A very good novel for many of the posters who are in favor of the government making decisions on women, is The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood.  Good food for thought.



domiguy -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 7:33:43 AM)

What is a miscarriage?
Miscarriage is the loss of a pregnancy in the first 20 weeks. About 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, and more than 80 percent of these losses happen before 12 weeks. This doesn't include situations in which you lose a fertilized egg before you get a positive pregnancy test. Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she's pregnant, because they happen so early that she goes on to get her period about on time. If you lose a baby after 20 weeks of pregnancy, it's called a stillbirth.


Hmmmmm...There are lots of "murderers" running around this country of ours....I won't even bother with addressing hermoine83....It would abet the cause of the dummying down of America. 

When CL and others point to someone and call them a murderer it is a little bit of an assumption...Obviously the longer the pregnancy goes the better the odds it can go full term....But one does have to make a certain leap...All a pregnancy is...Is the chance for life.

If someone is truly convinced that life begins at conception then I would hope that they would want to get to the bottom of every single miscarriage....Almost 50% of all egg that are fertilized will end in a miscarriage.....Anyone want to do the math? 

The majority of abortions are done for the sake of convenience...Didn't use birth control or it failed...I'm sure it is a gut wrenching decision...Although I can't speak for the woman of this world, I'm sure the majority of them anguished over this decision.....Oh by the way, If I could speak for the women of this world they would all be saying...."Domiguy please tie me up and when your done tappin' my ass is it ok if I could blow you?....Oooooooh!  And you know what? I think I got a lil' hankerin' for some pussy right abouts now."



Lumus -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 7:54:46 AM)

I saw Hitler on the first page.  This is the fourteenth.

Whatever happened to "the moment Hitler enters a thread, you know the topic is dead"?



KatyLied -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 8:06:17 AM)

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Lastly, no one I have ever met is "pro-abortion" just pro-choice.


Thank you for this.  I think a lot of people fail to understand that the emphasis is on choice; not abortion.  And choice encompasses much more than just abortion.  It's the right to have ownership over your body.  All of the debate in the world will never convince me that it is appropriate to interfere in a woman's reproductive choice.  I don't understand why anyone would want to.  I am prochoice, but I'm not going to interfere in a woman's decision to keep or abort, it's her body, it's her choice and it is none of my concern.



domiguy -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 8:23:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Lastly, no one I have ever met is "pro-abortion" just pro-choice.


I am prochoice, but I'm not going to interfere in a woman's decision to keep or abort, it's her body, it's her choice and it is none of my concern.



Pleeeeeeez!....None of your concern?  I can see you wearing your Steelers jersey....As you chat with your friend, large Marge, "Did you hear about, Cindy, the hairwasher girl at the salon?  She had an abortion....She's such a dirty ho."



celticlord2112 -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 8:50:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
(...and celticlord2112- YOU are exactly the type of person I laugh at.


Laugh louder then, little girl, so I can hear you.


You have already proven that what you do not agree with falls on your deaf ears. I won't waste any more time on you, little bubba.


This is the best you can do?  You disappoint me.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:13:57 AM)

There may be discussion about end-of-life choices, but that has not yet changed the law. If someone needed to be on life support of some type for a temporary amount of time, then why should they be denied that, unless there is other legal arrangements.

If an unborn child can be delivered prematurely and their life sustained by medical means, then that is a life. Just as if someone has a medical condition (accidental or natural), their respiration stops for some reason, they are usually placed on a bipap or vent, to do their breathing for them. A medical assessment is then done, a prognosis created, and then a determination of other things are made. To me, once the emotion is removed, they are almost the same thing.

Now someone will say that it is the woman's body and she should make the choice to go through with the pregnancy or not. Well there are laws in some states about rendering aid. To me this is a very similar thing. At some point the rights of the unborn child, outweight the rights of the mother.

At a certain points legal rights kick in, and the emotions of an individual be damned. It does not seem that difficult to me, but then again I am called a mean, bastard often, and I just say "ayep".

Orion


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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If a human can be kept alive, via medical procedure, then they are alive. Why is that hard to understand?


I don't think things are quite that simple. There's a lot of discussion/debate about end-of-life choices and what measures should be taken to prolong bodily life.



unownedkitty -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:19:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

What is a miscarriage?
Miscarriage is the loss of a pregnancy in the first 20 weeks. About 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, and more than 80 percent of these losses happen before 12 weeks. This doesn't include situations in which you lose a fertilized egg before you get a positive pregnancy test. Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she's pregnant, because they happen so early that she goes on to get her period about on time. If you lose a baby after 20 weeks of pregnancy, it's called a stillbirth.






no if you lose a baby before 24 weeks and the baby is not born alive its still called a misscarrage if you lose a baby after 20 weeks to about 28 (i think) and the baby took at least one breath its classed as a neonatel death that is what it is in my area me a my friend lost baby at same stage 22 to 23 weeksas hers was not born alive she got no birth or death documents as mine lived for a while i got birth and death documents



dcnovice -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:25:29 AM)

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There may be discussion about end-of-life choices, but that has not yet changed the law.


I don't think there's a singular "law" on this issue; I imagine it varies by country and state. I actually thought some laws had changed with respect to, say, removing a feeding tube from a brain-dead patient. But I'm no expert on the issue.

That doesn't, though, change my main point: The thicket of end-of-life decisions is far more complex than you made it sound. For that reason, I'm not sure how useful end-of-life cases are as an analogy for abortion.

Truth be told, I'm not sure how useful any analogy is for abortion. Part of what makes abortion tricky is that there's no parallel situation.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:29:15 AM)

Yeah that is her quote but it is spelled Eleanor.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Eleanor_Roosevelt

Orion



dcnovice -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:30:47 AM)

Thanks, Orion!



domiguy -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:30:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: unownedkitty

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

What is a miscarriage?
Miscarriage is the loss of a pregnancy in the first 20 weeks. About 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, and more than 80 percent of these losses happen before 12 weeks. This doesn't include situations in which you lose a fertilized egg before you get a positive pregnancy test. Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she's pregnant, because they happen so early that she goes on to get her period about on time. If you lose a baby after 20 weeks of pregnancy, it's called a stillbirth.






no if you lose a baby before 24 weeks and the baby is not born alive its still called a misscarrage if you lose a baby after 20 weeks to about 28 (i think) and the baby took at least one breath its classed as a neonatel death that is what it is in my area me a my friend lost baby at same stage 22 to 23 weeksas hers was not born alive she got no birth or death documents as mine lived for a while i got birth and death documents


I could give a rats ass on whether you want to argue over terminology.....This is the website that I garnished the info from....If you got a beef take it up with them...Anywhoooo you English are a goofy lot....Got strange terminology for all kinds of shit....Maybe instead of a stillbirth...You could say it was born "deaders"... I truly don't give a rats ass one way or another.

http://www.babycenter.com/0_understanding-miscarriage_252.bc?Ad=com.bc.common.AdInfo%404eca69eb



unownedkitty -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:43:22 AM)

its a shame your so agressive and by someone telling u that have a diffrent view on something means they must be wanting to row with you??
i am taking it your horse is too high for you to get down today?



KatyLied -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 9:47:26 AM)

I'm sure domi would let the girls row...



susie -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 10:03:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: unownedkitty

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

What is a miscarriage?
Miscarriage is the loss of a pregnancy in the first 20 weeks. About 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, and more than 80 percent of these losses happen before 12 weeks. This doesn't include situations in which you lose a fertilized egg before you get a positive pregnancy test. Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she's pregnant, because they happen so early that she goes on to get her period about on time. If you lose a baby after 20 weeks of pregnancy, it's called a stillbirth.






no if you lose a baby before 24 weeks and the baby is not born alive its still called a misscarrage if you lose a baby after 20 weeks to about 28 (i think) and the baby took at least one breath its classed as a neonatel death that is what it is in my area me a my friend lost baby at same stage 22 to 23 weeksas hers was not born alive she got no birth or death documents as mine lived for a while i got birth and death documents


I could give a rats ass on whether you want to argue over terminology.....This is the website that I garnished the info from....If you got a beef take it up with them...Anywhoooo you English are a goofy lot....Got strange terminology for all kinds of shit....Maybe instead of a stillbirth...You could say it was born "deaders"... I truly don't give a rats ass one way or another.

http://www.babycenter.com/0_understanding-miscarriage_252.bc?Ad=com.bc.common.AdInfo%404eca69eb


Here matey who are you calling goofy??? Us english know how to speak proper like you know.

As for the term stillbirth, yes it is used in the UK just as it is with you.



blueeyespup -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 10:04:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Okay...let's get this info right. You're a virgin and don't have kids..makes sense. It's be funny if you were a virgin with kids.

People don't have abortions as a safety net. Let's get real. Abortions are at times expensive proceedures and .50 condoms are pretty cheap. Or Oral sex...last I checked women don't get pregnant by swallowing.

This idea of "you have sex so deal with it" is ridiculous. This has nothing to do with age or experience. People have sexual activity in their lives from before they realize it's sexual these days. And just because you choose not to have sex doesn't mean that others should make the same choice. Make a choice about your own body and your own pregnancy before finding yourself so high and mighty to make a judgement on anyone elses actions.

And yes a dependant life form within a womb is completely part of the host. That's why it's dependant. Hell even after a child is born they are dependant as I've never seen an infant survive without the help of being nurished by an independant being.

Lastly, no one I have ever met is "pro-abortion" just pro-choice. And I feel like the pro-lifers, not just you, really treat the pro-choice view as "pro-abortion." Obviously not right.

Please don't think I'm picking on you. You just happen to be one of the ones vocing a certain opinion. I'm sure you're not the only one with it and I'm sure I'm not the only one with the opinion that I have




very well put. 

another thing i find is that alot that claim to be "pro-life" say that in certain circumstances, abortion should be allowed.  so does that not make them pro-choice? 

i am pro choice and i find that i share alot of the opinions of some of these people that call themselves pro-life.   for pro-lifers that believe that abortion is murder... do they also believe that murder is allowed in extreme cases such as rape?  i just find the concept hard to grasp.

in any event, i respect the opinions of everyone on this thread because we all have different opinions that are based on our own life experiences.  to each their own.



came4U -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 10:05:26 AM)

Abortion is legal here as is the day after pill.

I worked with a gal who has gone to walk in clinics twice to use that pill as fallback. uhhg.

I would never abort but I do agree that others should have the right. 



hermione83 -> RE: Abortion (10/8/2007 10:09:39 AM)

Okay, I'm totally against methods that cause real abortions, but there is an actual abortion pill that is very hard to get that can abort a baby early on (we're not talking within three days like the morning after pill... and it makes people violently ill too), but that is NOT a morning after pill, which you can get OTC now. It is the same as using contraceptive pills, trust me. It really does PREVENT pregnancy. You do not become pregnant the instant after you're done having sex. It's really okay. It's got a higher dose of the same kind of hormones.



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