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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

(fast reply to no one in particular)
 
I just find it absolutely funny when the GUYS are always so against a termination of a pregnancy.  Sure- they can be so adamant about something THEY can walk away from at will.  If guys really GAVE a damn about their "seed"- they'd stop spewing it and take accountability for it.
 
For me- a guy's prostesting against a woman's right to choose is laughable.

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ORIGINAL: susie

I agree totally. For those that have suggested that the decision is easy have obviously never been faced with the reality of that choice.

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ORIGINAL: hermione83

I am certainly pro-life, and think abortion is wrong; however, I don't think it should be illegal in every capacity. Under extreme cases, it really should be a choice, and there should be doctors that should be able to safely and legally perform it. However, I think it should be much harder to get one. I do realize that for most women it is a horrible, traumatic thing to go through. On the other hand, I personally knew a women in my college sociology class who claimed to have had seven abortions, without any damage to her body, or any care. By different fathers, just because she didn't take the time to use any kind of birth control at all. I can't imagine anyone's body taking seven pregnancies by her age. I think the law / a doctor / hospital should be able to refuse such a person. I don't think its a reproductive right, it involves a second human being - not just yourself. You don't have the right to murder someone because they are inconviencing you in some way. I personally have qualms with the death penalty for a guilty person. But, then I talk to people who are against the dealth penalty, AND pro-choice. How could someone think that a serial killer is worth sparing, but not a completely innocent, dependant child? And no, I see no difference between the first cells of a baby, a 12 month old, or a 60 year old man. They're all human beings. (In fact, though I definitely believe in birth control - I feel sick when people tell me they use some of the few methods like IUD's out there that actually result in continual early abortions and I must guess doctor's don't explain this to women, instead of forms such as contraceptive pills that prevent pregnancy by making cells less able to be implanted/sticking, making it a more hostile environment etc) I think the easiest way to see the moral fiber and heart of a person, is to see how they treat those smaller / beneath them. Be that an animal, a child, or someone much farther down on the food chain at your place of employment when no one is watching. (Me - I don't want any children at all. Ever. I would *want* to hurl myself off a cliff if I ever got pregnant. So, I can understand not wanting an adorable bounding baby *AND* have compassion for babies and children even though I don't want to have any myself in any way. If I was in this horrible situation, I might want to have an abortion, but I wouldn't, no matter what. The baby would be first. Not me.) It's *usually* a persons choice to have sex, so if you do, you know the possible consequences. The baby didn't have a choice on whehter it's life would start, or be taken away. People who have sex started a baby's life. That was their choice. They cannot then take the life of a child. Who is more innocent than a twinkling new life? Certainly not any parent. If you don't have a heart to spare your own baby..... well, that says something about you. Even if it means a lot of pain for you. It is selfish to think of yourself over anyone else - particularly a child, a baby.. and your own baby? Even one's selfish parts would have love for a part of onesself. In the cases of rape, incest, exteme medical problems - I do understand. That wasn't a choice that they made.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I can't see how this argument is any different from other types of murder.. where killing your own family members is a personal choice that, if you do, you'll probably regret, and that's good enough.  It just isn't.

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ORIGINAL: unownedkitty

for the people for abortions have you thought about the baby? or is all the thought with the mother?

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ORIGINAL: susie
If you cannot see the difference between aborting a fetus at say 12 weeks and killing a toddler at 12 months then really there is nothing to be said.

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ORIGINAL: susie
I also do not see that a work of fiction has anything to do with the serious matter of abortion.

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ORIGINAL: unownedkitty

for the people for abortions have you thought about the baby? or is all the thought with the mother?

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Level those statistics assume that rape/incest victims report their reasons for an abortion when getting it. In my experience having worked with them and domestic violence victims for quite some time, this is rarely the case.  However, I'm sure even with accurate statistics, the numbers would still show that most abortions are convience based.

The problem with this topic is that everyone on either side feels very strongly about their viewpoint and that it is absolutely THE right one.  I have found in life that this is rarely the case.  Religious based objections that judge and condemn seem contradictory to me. 

As Juliet's story points out, being there, having to face the reality of it is much different than touting statistics and quoting religion.  As I pointed out earlier, I am pro-choice because of my ongoing continual work with the families in the trenches that deal with these everyday issues rather than mere words, however, I would not condemn or insult someone that had a different view than mine.  Honestly neither should any of you.
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ORIGINAL: ChicagoSwitchMal

I disagree with your opinion that "GUYS" can just walk away from a pregnancy. ... I never walked away from a damn thing and guys like me deserve the credit a blanket statement like "guys can just walk away" denies them.

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ORIGINAL: unownedkitty

for the people for abortions have you thought about the baby? or is all the thought with the mother?

......to be honest my sympathy is almost wholly with the woman. Because to not do so is a slippery slope which has at its end the right of the state to tell us what to do with our own bodies.

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ORIGINAL: susie
No hostitly from me. I am being honest in that I find your posts amusing to say the least. Your arguments have so little logic in them to be not worth debate. Suggesting aborting a fetus that has no viability is the same as killing a toddler is ridiculous.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I can't see how this argument is any different from other types of murder.. where killing your own family members is a personal choice that, if you do, you'll probably regret, and that's good enough.  It just isn't.

..the difference is simple.........your cousin may be a major hindrance to your health and well being but he doesn't occupy your womb. The alternative to banning abortion is to force women to carry pregnancies against their will in some cases. There is simply no analog to that experience in the life of a male. Our bodies are not under threat of being forced by the state to go through a major process like pregnanacy.

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

because until the baby can exist outside the mothers body it is not human itself, never mind that it is never given the chance to exist in late term abortions, its skull is just crushed.....in the name of being "humane" to keep it from suffering....well if its not human....why would it suffer?