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Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 2:28:42 PM)
Exhibit A. I rest my case! I, and many of my brothers, can converse on whatever with whomever, and don't need "slangspeak" to do it. And my post wasn't directed towards you! Why should it be? Unfortunately, that attitude is far from unique...

DiurnalVampire -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 2:32:37 PM)
Without reading through the entire thread, I'll just actually answer the question asked in the title. I have nothing against interracial relationships, in D/s or anywhere else for that matter. I guess being raised where I was an how I was made me a little more color blind when it comes to these things. I dont personally find dark skin attractive, but that includes dark skinned hispanics and darkly tanned caucasians. Ive kept light skinned african american submissives, never really thought about the race, just the asthetics. To me, its about who or what makes people happy. Gender, religion, race and all that are such minor points when you find the right mate, really. DV

celticlord2112 -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 2:38:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 If the two are happy I don't care what they are. Gay, straight, black or white. I could not say it better.

celticlord2112 -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 2:41:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan I hope that was tongue-in-cheek! I hardly think that a preference for X-Box over Playstation even remotely compares to uniformly preferring a white mistress over a black one. I, for one, have such a problem with black people who seek out whites for initimacy, love, affection, friendship or whatever to the exclusion of other blacks. Inherent in such a position is the theory or belief that somehow whites possess something (usually something of value) that blacks don't. Uniformly favoring whites over blacks in the belief that whites are somehow "better" (better Doms, better Masters, better submissives, better Mistresses, or whatever) is, to me, racist, pure and simple! If an employer hired an all-white workforce because hiring whites was his "preference," he'd be just as liable for racially discriminatory hiring as if his hiring was motivated by the rankest racism. And he should be. People who go looking for racism are apt to find it.

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 2:54:10 PM)
Because something is a "preference" doesn't mean it isn't also racist. Racism is a belief system wherein one deems one race "better," "superior," "more intelligent" (i.e., black men speak "slangspeak," while white men, with their superior intellects, are able to discuss the wonders of the universe...--that's why I love them so!), etc., than another. A racist belief system often reveals itself as what you call a "preference." For example, if I'm a black man (which, as you can tell, I am) and I am only attracted to white women, because I believe that black women are loud, aggressive, and emasculating (to conjure up a stereotype) while white women are intelligent, supportive, and feminine (to conjure up another stereotype), then white women are my "preference" but that "preference" is the result of a racist belief system. So, saying that dating or loving or interacting with or having sex with a particular race is a preference doesn't prove that it's not also racist. It's not necessarily racist, but it certainly can be and often is.

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 2:58:11 PM)
Oooooooooh... Some reality has entered the picture...

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 3:01:43 PM)
No problem. I don't care what races we talk about. However, French/Russian is not a racial difference--it's a difference of nationalities.

SirEbonyPhoenix -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 3:04:37 PM)
[sm=crop.gif]As I close this thread, I would like to take this moment to thank everyone for their comments, such as they are. While this is one topic that will continue to stir up lively discussions, let me state in parting that W/we all have O/our individual preferences in whom W/we want in a Dominant/Master or submissive/slave, but the choices W/we make should be based on character, common interests (whether vanilla or kink related), compatibility and chemistry as opposed to the color of one's complexion. In essence, my hope for those who are in a D/s relationship or hope to be in one is that T/they are happy with the one T/they are with, based on what has been described in my previous statement. Again, thanks to all who posted on this topic. [sm=goodnight.gif]

curiousexplorer -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 3:34:18 PM)
"Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? " What a stupid question. Anyone with issues about any interacial relationship is either racist or xenophobic. And after reading the first few pages, many with "preferences" need to take a good long look at themselves, and if they ever explore beyond the surface of their "preferences", more than a few will find racism or xenophobia as the source of their "preferences". This thread makes me pity so many individuals and societies.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 4:05:36 PM)
i stated that your reply "felt" it was directed towards someone like me next time quote me properly

ADom442 -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 5:54:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan And, once again, "Come over here, you TALL woman" or "Tell me you're my BROWN EYED submissive" is not similar, in any way, to what's said in race play simply because "TALL" and "BROWN EYED" are in no way comparable to "NIGGER." At all. I understand what you're saying; read what I wrote again and try to understand what I'm saying. "Nigger" has a visceral impact for a black person that it doesn't have for me - it's just a word for me. My point was that her being black is no more relevant in terms of kink or fetish FOR ME, than the fact that she's tall and has brown eyes. A Dom

CreativeDominant -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 6:11:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiousexplorer "Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? " What a stupid question. Anyone with issues about any interacial relationship is either racist or xenophobic. And after reading the first few pages, many with "preferences" need to take a good long look at themselves, and if they ever explore beyond the surface of their "preferences", more than a few will find racism or xenophobia as the source of their "preferences". This thread makes me pity so many individuals and societies. Nice, liberal, cum-by-ah answer...wrong...but nice answer.

MidMichCowboy -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 6:12:50 PM)
Color of skin is a very minor part of attraction. With me, its the eyes, curve of waist, butt, legs, walk, great conversation, intelligence, warped sense of humour, tilt of head when smiling, off color remark given so subtly that hardly anyone picks up on it. Color or race ... damn I love em all. :)

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 6:47:12 PM)
And those who experience racism are apt to know a little something about where it is... Ya' know...?

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 6:54:01 PM)
Black men do not, as a rule, lack "integrity/ambition/strength/character" any more than any other men. Much as it pains me to admit it, white men do not, as a rule, lack "ambition, strength, character, aggression, [or] what-have-you" any more than any other men. To tar so broad a group with so broad a brush is quintessential racism. Racism is racism. You can be racist in your world, but you're still racist... And, more to my original point (waaay back when), those "broad brush" stereotypes cut more in favor of white men than anybody. Therefore, they benefit more from those stereotypes than anybody. As is amply reflected right here on CM.

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 7:07:43 PM)
If everything in this discussion is reducible to what it is "for me" or what it is "in my world," then this conversation is pointless. If everybody's kink is equally ok, whether it's saying (or being told) "Come here nigger bitch" or whatever (and I don't see the particular kink of members of the North American Man-Boy Love Association, for instance, receiving such a grand level of tolerance), and everybody's "preference" is equally ok, whether or not that "preference" is grounded in the rawest, ugliest, most pernicious racist stereotypes, assumptions and presumptions--even against your own race--just because it's "their preference," then what the hell are we talking about? How is conversation even possible? It's your preference, it's your world, it's all good, everything is all good, everybody is all good, everybody do their thing. Whatever. Next subject...

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 7:09:07 PM)
And, I understand what you're saying. But, I doubt that the word "nigger" is "just a word," even for you.

Blaakmaan -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 7:12:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl i stated that your reply "felt" it was directed towards someone like me next time quote me properly I didn't "quote" you at all. I simply stated, for the record, that it wasn't. How about you quote me properly...? And your post is still Exhibit A.

ADom442 -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 7:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan But, I doubt that the word "nigger" is "just a word," even for you. I understand your saying that. You don't know me or my background. I do know it's hard for you to believe, but it's true. A Dom

breatheasone -> RE: RE:Interracial D/s relationships:How do we really feel about them? (10/10/2007 8:50:43 PM)
quote: Much as it pains me to admit it, white men do not, as a rule, lack "am Hmmm....

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