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tinkJH -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 5:51:32 AM)
I have to agree. There is a difference in self defence and murder, that is why one can send you to jail and once will not. Master has as much control of me in the bedroom as he does outside it. The only thing we limit to the bedroom is sceneing. 1) I would kill for my Master. In defense. To protect him or myself or my children if any of us were ever threatened, just like any other person in the world would. I wouldnt need to wait and act upon a command. Protection and Survival are natural instincts. I trust my instincts and rely on them. Would I walk across the street and kill the neighbor? No, that is just assinine and I know Master would not ask that. Would I kill someone trying to break into our house? If the situation lead me to no other choice and Master said, Yes. But I know he would only tell me so if he was not able himself. 2) Master does not tell me what to think, I am allowed my own thoughts, not that he could actually stop me from thinking something. He just prevents me from voicing the thought. There are many things that will come up, and he will just look at me, and I know I am to keep my mouth shut. I am very opinionated, and I love debate, blame my mother. I like to argue and to discuss things. Just the way I am. Master could never actually control the way I think or what to think - but he can stop me from voicing my opinion and he can impose me to voice his opinion. 3) I am not micro managed. Master controls what he wants of me, but he doesn't control everything. That is not to say I would not allow him to. It would be quite difficult. To be controlled in every way would mean from how I walk to how I brush my teeth, use the bathroom, take a shower, get dressed, cleaning up the house... litterally everything. I don't know if it is something that Master has ever wanted, more then likely not. But, It wouldnt work very well with me anyway. I am a perfectionist, a clean freak and to me.. everything has a place and should be exactly in that place. It is hard to explain. I can spend 10 minutes making sure the coffee table is exactly 12 inches away from the sofa. If it looks the fraction of the inch off during the day - I stop and fix it. If Master says "Leave it, and come here" I will actually begin to panic. I have issues cleaning the bathroom, it doesn't seem clean enough to me. I can use half a bottle of clean, the room can be sparking but if there is one discolored patch on the tub (its old, we need it replaced) I feel like I didnt do good enough and will begin crying. Master litterally had to come and physically remove me from the bathroom and assure me I did a wonderful job at cleaning it just because I felt like it wasnt good enough. I cannot even just up and stop something. I have to find a "suitable stopping point" before I can. I can't explain what the suitable stopping point would be. It depends on what I am doing, it just comes into my mind. "Okay I have to do this, I will finish this ___ and do it." Often through the day I end up asking Master "Can I find a stopping point" before preforming a task he will ask me. Most of the time it is a yes, unless it is something he needs done right then and there. I do it. But then when I return to what I was doing previously, I end up feeling lost and disarrayed at what I had been doing. So many things have to be done "my way" but on Master's terms. Such as - I have to have the kitchen clean by 10am. Okay - but I do the dishes, then clean counters, then sweep and mop. If he wanted me to clean counters, then sweep, then dishes.. I could, and I would, but I would panic. Its hard to explain. Luckily, Master is kinda enough to allow me to do my chores and the things he asks in a pattern I feel comfortable with. But, he does change it. I got in trouble last week - Master came home early from work, at 9, I had only been up maybe 45 minutes. In the morning I am to send him a TM, get cleaned up, and dressed. Not a big deal. I usually get up, lay in bed for 15 minutes waking up, then actually get up - get breakfast ready, and then at 9 my day starts. Well, not that day. Master got home before my day started, I got scolded for not sending the TM and not yet being cleaned up and dressed. So, I had to rearrange my day - to where I wake up, TM, make breakfast and get cleaned up and dressed. I felt lost and panicy for a good four days. So, Master could Mirco Manage me... He could control every little thing I do and the way that I do it... but it would cause so much emotional distress in me, that it certinly would cause more harm then good.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 5:57:49 AM)
quote: To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Master has complete 100% control. quote: Would you do WHATEVER he said? Yes. quote: Who here would kill someone for their Master? OK, this slave will play "What-If" with you----this slave would eliminate anything that Master asked her to, knowing full well that Master has His head straight----besides, maybe "one of His boys" is busy "taking care of" another problem for Him.[;)] quote: Who here is told what to think? this slave is never told WHAT to think---this slave is merely expected to express those thoughts in a manner pleasing to Master. Actually, we have different views on a lot of issues---the existence of God, online relationships, favorite colors, He hates mashed potatoes and this slave loves them, etc. this slave does not argue with Master, we discuss things---maybe that's one of the reasons she hasn't been "angry" with Him in the 3 years she has been His.

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 7:40:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: harmony3709 By the way...........why would I wait for or need a command anyway in that scenario? I was raped because Master didn't order me to defend myself? Read my prior post...it's not a likely order...but it's not a likely scenario either. Both are still more than possible. You asked for an example of how murdering someone else could be in your best interests, I gave you one.

fourpeas -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 8:36:45 AM)
I am not micro-managed either. One of my main roles outside the bedroom is as a "secretary" hence my namesake. I think both he and I know it would be an immense waste of OUR collective time for us to operate in that way. And as neither one of us are rich yet, we're trying to use our time in the best possible way. I will obey my Dom... but I will definitely point out if something isn't right about the situation. Let me put it this way: I know he isn't always right, but I do obey. And I am expected to point out (POLITELY and KINDLY and RESPECTFULLY) if there is a better way to approach the situation or if there is something that isn't right. A lot of my days are accompanied by tasks like going to the accountant, looking up directions, etc., etc... it makes me feel very fulfilled. An example of the above is the fact that he had a $1200 phone bill a few months ago... (now I wonder why that would be...) and so we've been trying to figure out a better way to do the phone thing until I move. So I jumped onto cingular's webpage and scooted through three months of bills looking to see what could happen to cut down some of those extra costs. Lo and behold, I found some other things that could be done to reduce that bill (besides the freakish overage that happened the month we started talking on the phone for the first time.) Now, I didn't go to him and say "Well you've just got to quit calling 411. And you need to try and limit your minutes." What? My ass would be broken. But I did take a detailed look at the bill and I was able to sit down and see (In about 5 minutes, I might add) what was going on with all the overage charges. So I presented it and said "You made several calls to 411, which cost $1.50 each. And you also went over another month, but I think that was a freak accident and in 6 months of your bills it looks like you haven't ever gone over..." Etc. the story continues. I don't know about "complete control." I really have no desire to give up total control. I also do not have a desire to have every second of my time micro managed, for reasons stated above. If that really works for people, then that's great. I take control of all kinds of situations... from getting the bills paid to doing some of my own endeavors like writing music, etc. I desire to submit and to use my powers for good instead of evil, and I desire to have them used to the fullest. I guess I just don't see how that is giving up all my control, or how giving up all my control would be a good thing for my Dom. Hmm. Maybe that's another thread. I do what is asked of me. But my days are made full by a multitude of other things as well. I gain my fulfillment from many sources.

dechala -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 9:06:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Superman42280 To what point? Would you sever your own arm? Again, these are NOT fantasies of mine at all, asking a slave to do horrible things, just curious as to your limits inside your head? Daddy would never ask me to do such things.He knows what's best for me because He knows me.He doesn't have the desire to manage every aspect of my life nor does He have the time really.He wants his little girl to be happy and somewhat independant.i adore Him, i worship Him,but i don't think i would ever sever one of my own limbs for Him or kill for Him but He would never ask me to.i trust Him utterly.And that's what a M/s or D/s relationship is really about for me,trusting Him to know what's best for me.

nenakajira -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 10:12:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Superman42280 To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said? Who here would kill someone for their Master? Who here would do anything and stop just short of doing something like that? (Not that i EVER would condone or request that, its JUST a question of learning more about people's limits) Who here is told what to think? Such as politically, what slave here would say "Master told me I'm a Democrat and to like John Kerry, so I like John Kerry" type thing. Who here it COMPLETELY and totally controlled in every way by their Master? Anyone not and wishes they were? I'm looking for answers outside the bedroom. My Master has total control over me.. in the bedroom and outside of it. I also trust him completely so any request he asked of me Id assume he did with good reason and Id obey. Granted, I might ask why afterwards.. but I wouldn't question beforehand. I'm not micromanaged but I do live my life by his desires and preferences. As to the political example you gave.... this last election I asked permission to vote and he said I could vote for who I wanted as he preferred neither. Of course, next time he might have a preference.. if so I'll vote as he directs. ciao, nena{R}

zaynab -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 10:53:33 AM)
wow... what a great question.... and what a tough one... In the past, with previous Doms, I have gone to great lengths (some of them even extreme lengths) to obey. It was very stressful for me to do that, but I did it with a great attitude, cheerfulness and dedication. He may have been happy, but I was not. For example, one Dom I was with for 12 years (and married to) asked me to obtain employment with American Airlines, so he could have free travel whenever he wished (this was solely for his enjoyment to meet with out of state subs whenever he wished, and I stay home for those trips). Having outside employment was particularly stressful for me, for my own personal reasons but I did it. I was hired, trained with AA for 2 months to be a reservationist and was hired. This did not pan out for reasons not relevant, but for the time period that I obeyed, my family and I suffered tremendously (can't expound on that, nor should I). I've had so many horrible things happen by obeying all... I'll never be that way again. Obey... yes.... mindlessly obey... hell no. What did I learn by this? I learned that obeying everything is not always the way to go. To be a quality sub, I also have to use my brain to determine what is a beneficial Dom request or demand. Any sub can just "nod their head and smile", do what they are told and get a pat on the head. A mindless sub? Might as well just order a blow up doll and save the cost of caring for a real life sub. An intelligent, mature sub who can think of a way to please their master by altering his request/demand to some degree, yet still accomplish his goal, without obvious disasters happening is what I would assume a wise Master would be looking for. "Such as politically, what slave here would say "Master told me I'm a Democrat and to like John Kerry, so I like John Kerry" type thing." No way I'm answering that one... don't want the politically inclined Doms to have heart attacks... LOL "Who here it COMPLETELY and totally controlled in every way by their Master?" I think only blow up dolls can actually be like this.

harmony3709 -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 10:59:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2 quote: ORIGINAL: harmony3709 By the way...........why would I wait for or need a command anyway in that scenario? I was raped because Master didn't order me to defend myself? Read my prior post...it's not a likely order...but it's not a likely scenario either. Both are still more than possible. You asked for an example of how murdering someone else could be in your best interests, I gave you one. My original answer still stands, it's not "more than possible" and I don't have the time nor the inclination to argue the minutia over this kind of topic. Splitting hairs........shrugs..........whatever.......for those who enjoy doing so, have fun! Blessed be, harmony

Jennylu48 -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 3:22:39 PM)
"To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said? " P L E A S E !!!!! Have you not heard the saying .... To thine own self be true?? To me that is more than a saying. It is who I am. Yes outside the bedroom I would do anything that Master required of me as long as it was not against my own personal code of ethics. Example: Would I lie for him ....... NO Would I steal for him ... HELL NO Would I kill for him .......NOT EVEN IF IT MEANT PEACE ON EARTH Would I go with out undies and expose myself ... YES

Superman42280 -> RE: Outside the bedroom... (7/29/2005 3:25:31 PM)
Very interesting. I like these points of views. Almost any question I ask has answers all over the map -- makes for interesting discussion :) (with the exception of the "shall all women obey?" post -- that was all in agreement I think....) Superman

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