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Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 9:47:25 AM   
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To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said?

Who here would kill someone for their Master? Who here would do anything and stop just short of doing something like that? (Not that i EVER would condone or request that, its JUST a question of learning more about people's limits)

Who here is told what to think? Such as politically, what slave here would say "Master told me I'm a Democrat and to like John Kerry, so I like John Kerry" type thing.

Who here it COMPLETELY and totally controlled in every way by their Master? Anyone not and wishes they were? I'm looking for answers outside the bedroom.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:01:27 AM   
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To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said?

Who here would kill someone for their Master? Who here would do anything and stop just short of doing something like that? (Not that i EVER would condone or request that, its JUST a question of learning more about people's limits)

Who here is told what to think? Such as politically, what slave here would say "Master told me I'm a Democrat and to like John Kerry, so I like John Kerry" type thing.

Who here it COMPLETELY and totally controlled in every way by their Master? Anyone not and wishes they were? I'm looking for answers outside the bedroom.



The Owner has authority over every aspect of my life at all times.

He chooses not to directly manipulate me, he is not a micro manager, he prefers me to act independently and delegate to me so as to free his time and energy for other things.

However, he could at any point command anything of me.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:06:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		To what point? Would you sever your own arm?

Again, these are NOT fantasies of mine at all, asking a slave to do horrible things, just curious as to your limits inside your head?


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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:09:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I obey, but he does not make unreasonable requests (killing people ect) if he did we would have a severe problem and no I would not obey him. Anyone who WOULD doesn't need a master - they need professional therapy.

I'm not told what I can or can't think or what opinions I can have, that to ME is a bit ridiculous. We should all be valued for our own thoughts, not turned into cardboard paper dolls with a recording device strapped to the back.

Am I completely controlled out of the bedroom? Yes. I consider things I'm doing and his needs before mine most of the time, he never has to issue a "command" even in day-to-day normal situations.

I am valued - ALL of me not just when I'm tied up, which builds the trust, depth of our relationship and our journey together.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:15:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't that where the matter of trust would come in? For instance in a 24/7 TPE situation you give your trust to a Master/Mistress who you trust to always have your best interest, as well as theirs, at heart? I would think that a REAL Master/Mistress wouldn't ask a sub to do those things. Could they ask those things? Well sure. Would a sub do those things if asked? I would think a large portion of them would. The real question I think though is why would a Master/Mistress ask a sub to go against the grain of who they are? I'm thinking that that isn't at the crux of a true BDSM relationship but more of a knowing you have given over all and they have taken all you have to give with the knowledge that you will keep them safe, protected, and cared for in exchange for what you give...hence the word "exchange" in TPE. They know they can ask and they know you will do but choose not to abuse the power. Keep in mind here that I have never been in a true BDSM relationship yet so I could be way off here. I'm hoping that someone will correct me if I'm wrong here because I'm very anxious to learn as I go.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:21:29 AM   
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Inside or outside the bedroom my Master controlls everything and anything he chooses. There are no limits I have with him, and I would deny him nothing.
I'd also like to say if I thought he was not a man of integrity and an honest comapassionate person I would have never given my will to him to make dance on his puppet strings the way he sees fit anyway.
I completely trust him fully to never make me do anything, mean, bad or illegal ever. As I am his slave, my will is not mine to control but his. This doesn't mean I don't make my own choices or decisions, but rather that his love frees me to fully experience life in ways he deems necessary for my growth and fulfillment.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:35:49 AM   
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To what point? Would you sever your own arm?

Again, these are NOT fantasies of mine at all, asking a slave to do horrible things, just curious as to your limits inside your head?

If the Owner were to ask me to do something extreme, it would be for an extremely good reason and it would be obeyed. I don't say this to sound like "uber slave" it's simply the reality I work within.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:40:29 AM   
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To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said?

Who here would kill someone for their Master? Who here would do anything and stop just short of doing something like that? (Not that i EVER would condone or request that, its JUST a question of learning more about people's limits)

Who here is told what to think? Such as politically, what slave here would say "Master told me I'm a Democrat and to like John Kerry, so I like John Kerry" type thing.

Who here it COMPLETELY and totally controlled in every way by their Master? Anyone not and wishes they were? I'm looking for answers outside the bedroom.



Superman, I cant help but notice you've been asking ton's of questions lately. Most are semi wild, "what ifs"... I tend to wonder if your equating being a sub or a slave with the android from another topic. We have minds, we are not simply vacant souls that have drifted thru life waiting for it to show up on our doorstep. Even Politically we've formed *our* beliefs, although our Masters thoughts and perspectives can at times sway us to another train of thought. What I'm getting at is thought is individual, it comes from somewhere deep inside that measures desire to please against right and wrong. I'm not saying those don't exist that would follow blindly. Take a look at the ramifications of religions and movements who have began wars, slaughtered non followers all in the name of their *master*. Same thing, smaller scale. Just my take on it.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:58:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quivver, yes, i was noticing the same thing. It seems the majority of discussion lately have been posts from superman. i liked your take on the majority of people responding to their "Master", in fact wars being fought over it. i would agree, and think it is interesting food for thought.

i think there are many subs who do not question or discuss things with their Masters. i am a strong, independent, intelligent woman with a firm Master. i have many guidelines, but am not micromanaged. He appreciates a slave who is able/desires intelligent discussions on a variety of subjects...not someone who simply agrees with Him for the mere sake of agreeing. A true Master will always push a slave, but only do things to that slave that makes them more valuable to Him. What in all of the extremes mentioned would make that slave more valuable? superman gave the extreme example of cutting off your arm...how is a one-armed slave more valuable than a slave with two arms? she isn't. i also found it interesting that all of these questions have had to do with what a slave is willing to give up or do. No mention is made of the fact that a true Master gives back as much as a slave gives Him.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 12:16:31 PM   
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To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said?



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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 12:28:06 PM   
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What in all of the extremes mentioned would make that slave more valuable? superman gave the extreme example of cutting off your arm...how is a one-armed slave more valuable than a slave with two arms? she isn't. i also found it interesting that all of these questions have had to do with what a slave is willing to give up or do. No mention is made of the fact that a true Master gives back as much as a slave gives Him.

Say the sub had a disease or a horribly mangled arm and cutting the arm off would mean saving the subs life?

Is this a likely real situation? No. But then the order itself isn't likely either.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 2:40:29 PM   
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I know I ask a lot of questions, but I am very curious about a lot of things....I am getting ready to go to a munch possibly soon....

It's led to some interesting conversations!

Emerald, could I PM you?


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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 8:28:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would never disobey anything my Master told me to do, unless it does break laws. He does allow me to have opionions and would rather that I have some intelligence in most matters. I am not His doormat, and that came from His mouth!

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 8:39:45 PM   
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To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said?



Yes. We are a D/s couple, not a kinky Top and bottom or anything limited in scope.

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Who here would kill someone for their Master? Who here would do anything and stop just short of doing something like that? (Not that i EVER would condone or request that, its JUST a question of learning more about people's limits)


I most likely wouldn't - but you know what, if She ever asked me to do so, She'd have a reason I would concur with, so I can't entirely rule it out.

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Who here is told what to think? Such as politically, what slave here would say "Master told me I'm a Democrat and to like John Kerry, so I like John Kerry" type thing.


I wouldn't be with Her if our politics didn't mesh. We were discussing that earlier this evening actually.

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Who here it COMPLETELY and totally controlled in every way by their Master? Anyone not and wishes they were? I'm looking for answers outside the bedroom.


She's in charge of all things. Is She constantly being "actively" in charge. No, but She needn't be in order for us both to know whose needs/wishes control/come first in all things, at all times.

sudja





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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 9:21:11 PM   
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To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said?


Our relationship outside the bedroom is more service oriented. I jump when He wants something and i do all the chores, etc. But i think for myself, vote the way i want, etc. He would never make a completely unreasonable request, but if He did with no logical explanation then i probably would not obey.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 9:30:40 PM   
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To what degree do you allow Master control outside the bedroom? Would you do WHATEVER he said?


Yes and no. I would do anything my partner said. However, I KNOW that he would not ask me to do something against my morality or that would be against my best interest. Before I agreed to belong to him, I made sure we meshed.

So, I would do anything he said, but I know there are many things I wouldn't do, but he wouldn't ask me to.


Who here would kill someone for their Master?
Would depend on the circumstance. Honestly, if there's a situation where he'd ask me to kill for him, I would probably already want to kill for me. As in, if I were killing to protect him, I owuldn't be doing it because he told me to.



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Who here is told what to think? Such as politically, what slave here would say "Master told me I'm a Democrat and to like John Kerry, so I like John Kerry" type thing.


He wouldn't want me if I could be told what to think. That is, our politics mostly agree, otherwise, again, I wouldn't have agreed to be his. (My ownership is a life-partnership/love thing so this was important). However, he has the last word. Not necesarially on what I think, but on what I do.

If, for some reason, he wanted to tell me who to vote for, I would. I might not ideologically agree, but I do.

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Who here it COMPLETELY and totally controlled in every way by their Master? Anyone not and wishes they were? I'm looking for answers outside the bedroom.


MOST of my dynamic occurs outsie the bedroom.I am his. All the time. NO matter what or when. As I consider it, I am controlled in any way he wants to control me. Which is totally and completely. He simply chooses to excercise control only when he wants to.



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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 9:50:51 PM   
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I would never disobey anything my Master told me to do, unless it does break laws. He does allow me to have opionions and would rather that I have some intelligence in most matters. I am not His doormat, and that came from His mouth!

perfection

Except in many states BDSM is illegal, as is many sexual acts we enjoy.

Using legalities as a guideline for behavior, at least in the US, is a pretty sucky way to decide what's good and bad.

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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:05:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding specifically the question of whether I would obey were my Master to ask me to kill someone? Of course not.

How could I obey or serve a Master who so obviously did not have my best interests at heart? How could asking me to commit a heinous crime such as murder possibly be in my best interests? And as stated by others.......I am not a doormat and I am still ultimately responsible for my own behavior.

Regarding your question as "being told what to think": I can only respond that I am told how to behave, given commands that require action. I don't think a command such as "you will now THINK that I am a good Master" would really have any impact, as well as the fact that Master prefers me to use my brain.

Then again, that could make a good excuse were I to forget to do something or do it incorrectly........"But, Master, you didn't tell me to think about what I was doing!" (LOL)

Blessed be,
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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:17:09 PM   
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How could I obey or serve a Master who so obviously did not have my best interests at heart? How could asking me to commit a heinous crime such as murder possibly be in my best interests? And as stated by others.......I am not a doormat and I am still ultimately responsible for my own behavior.

If a guy was coming at you with a knife to kill/rape/do bad things to you and your master said "shoot him!" and you did...I think that would be good.

And that's just one scenario, I could (and have) come up with plenty others.


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RE: Outside the bedroom... - 7/28/2005 10:39:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: harmony3709
How could I obey or serve a Master who so obviously did not have my best interests at heart? How could asking me to commit a heinous crime such as murder possibly be in my best interests? And as stated by others.......I am not a doormat and I am still ultimately responsible for my own behavior.

If a guy was coming at you with a knife to kill/rape/do bad things to you and your master said "shoot him!" and you did...I think that would be good.

And that's just one scenario, I could (and have) come up with plenty others.




I don't own a gun nor would I have one in my hand, so "shoot him" would be a rather pointless command to me. And not as a gun issue, but in general, no, I don't think anyone ever being shot is a "good thing", since something being necessary does not necessarily mean it was good. Second, were my Master there to yell that AT me, lucky for me, HE would be the one to shoot or do whatever it takes to protect me. And lastly, in my opinion, he would not be asking me to commit murder, but to defend myself. Those are two different things and not a heinous crume (as I mentioned), but one of self-preservation.

harmony

By the way...........why would I wait for or need a command anyway in that scenario? I was raped because Master didn't order me to defend myself?



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