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herfacechair -> RE: The ice is melting on Mars (10/12/2007 9:02:05 PM)
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kdsub: How many people that have made posts in this thread are Climatologists? If you are please post your credentials.
Unlike an argument about a war, we’re arguing about something where anybody here can access information . . . especially information dealing with climate change.
I’m not a climatologist, but I’ve based allot of my arguments on what actual climatologists - who disagree with the so called “consensus” - have said.
I’ve also based my arguments on my observations, from years of jogging the same route, experiencing the increasingly colder winters, etc to my tracking global weather for almost a year.
And you don’t need to be a climatologist to know that when two Minnesota cities hit 32 and 33 degree lows respectively - in August 18 - when it’s supposed to be hot, the north pole isn’t getting warmer as global warming alarmists would like for you to believe.
kdsub: None of the posters here, including me, know their ass from a hole in the ground but it does not stop them from making wild uninformed and stupid statements that they call fact.
Speak for yourself.
Now, here’s one comment where I said that was fact:
“In fact, during a part of the last interglacial period, sea levels were 18 feet higher than they are now.” herfacechair
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v404/n6778/abs/404591a0.html
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During the last interglacial period (the Eemian), global sea level was at least three metres, and probably more than five metres, higher than at present
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
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During the previous interglacial about 120,000 years ago, sea level was for a short time about 6 m higher than today, as evidenced by wave-cut notches along cliffs in the Bahamas.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v289/n5797/abs/289481a0.html
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We show that during the last interglacial period, sea level was only above its present level for a few thousand years at about 125 kyr when it stood at +4 to +6m.
There are other facts that I presented in my series of responses, such as the ice age cycles, and solar activity as it affects our climates.
So, the burden on you is to prove that what I mentioned didn’t happen before you say that people are making “wild” and “uninformed” statements and labeling them as fact.
kdsub: The debate amount people that know what they are talking about has not reached a total consensus as to why… even though there is a majority view…. but they have stated there is danger ahead without action.
That “consensus” isn’t a majority. In fact, there isn’t a consensus:
“It's not 2,500 people offering their consensus, I participated in that. Each person who is an author writes one or two pages in conjunction with someone else.” - Dr. Lindzen
“Ultimately, it is written by representatives of governments, of environmental organizations like the Union of Concerned Scientists, and industrial organizations, each seeking their own benefit.” - Dr. Lindzen
The reality is that the debate is still going on in the scientific community. They’re still debating about whether we’re causing global warming or not. Many are even saying that there hasn’t been any significant temperature increases.
Both satellite and weather balloon data substantiates those latest claims.
When you have a disagreement on something where there’s overwhelming evidence against the idea that we’re the one’s “causing” it, working on a “consensus” defeats the purpose of science.
But the reality is that there isn’t a consensus in the scientific community, or even among climatologists, that we’re causing global warming, or that the world is warming up to catastrophic levels.
That danger is overstated, and it’s based on computer models that don’t incorporate every climate variable that affects real world climate.
In the meantime, we have scientists with strong evidence that what these computers predict is nothing but hype.
What you’re suggesting here is for us to work on a solution to a non existent problem, based on faulty computer model results.
kdsub: In the end it will make little difference how we got to this point and time, but it may what we do from this point on.
Actually, it does.
Global warming is part of a natural cycle. The world has gotten warmer in the past, without our help. Our ancestors survived the recent global warming periods, we’ll survive future global warming periods, as they’re part of a natural cycle.
But if the world is going to warm up to the levels it was before (allot warmer than today), there’s nothing we could do about it. Even if we did everything in our power to bring our green house gas immissions down to zero.
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