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bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 12:39:07 AM   
Slutsub


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Status: offline 		Hello Masters and Sirs..........could someone please tell me......what You would consider to be a bratty slave/sub. and what kind of things would this entale........just curious

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 2:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know this is a questions for Masters, but given the events of today, I thought I might have a POV.

I went into full brat mode today. And I saw and heard myself doing it, but I couldn't seem to stop myself. I had a simple task to complete. Nothing big, all I had to do was make sure it got done. Well, I didn't, and as opposed to immediately apologizing, owning my mistake and correcting it, I found myself trying to explain why it wasn't done. Then I got indignant when my explanation wasn't appreciated. Whoo. Big mistake. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I got my just dessert, which was a 2 hour lecture on reliabilty, all delivered to me like I was 5. (cringe).

Being bratty, to me, is demanding that my needs and wants be addressed before S/He thinks they should. You could almost liken it to the kid in the mall that you would call bratty - loud, demanding, selfish and ill-tempered, unwilling to accept correction and twisted ideas on who has the authority.

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 7:35:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me being bratty means trying to get attention put on one's self, even to the expense of others happiness and getting negative attention.

I find brats generally very unpleasant to be around, very selfish, and people who haven't learned how be calm.

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 9:52:50 AM   
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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 10:20:56 AM   
chattelunderling


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Status: offline 		Well as a slave/child, being raised in an alt lifestyle, i learned along time ago that whatever you are is what you are, and Whatever Master/Dom/Daddy decides to collar you, is for that reason. What H/She does to shape, mold, or train is usually suppose to build you, not change you, and i mean that on a deeper value. i am a brat, and my former Master/Daddy loved the challenges as well as He enjoyed that i was myself, no matter what i was or how i was, that was His reason in why i was special to Him. Til His death. He enjoyed the feeling of what He learned from it as well, it kept Him freash on controlling His temper (as i seemed to be most bratty when His day was already hectic), and He as He would put it"Did His exersises or workout" that day...
Being of True nature in this lifestyle, i in turn naturally was a brat, but also knew where to push and when to stop. Yes maybe being a brat is selfish, or a call for attention, or pushing to be boss, but so what? If this is known by your Master from the start...Besides there is not much One of True nature of the lifestyle, can not deal with. It is better than forcing yourself to be someone your not, resulting in unhappiness within, which enevidably (opps), ends up in desaster as well as wasting and disapointing your Top!!!
P.S. speaking for my Former M/D as He would wish of me to. Respectfully,
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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 11:32:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my experience there are two common definitions of brats in regards to submissives/slaves

One uses the negative definition you would find in the dictionary... an unruly, ill-mannered person. Thus a bratty submissive is someone who is being unruly and ill-mannered, not a good thing. A submissive who does this all the time isn't really being a submissive since being obedient and unruly are pretty much a contradiction in terms. On the other hand, most submissives I've know tend to act out at times... luvdragonx's example of her own behavior would be an example of what I would call "acting out". Sometimes it happens because a submissive is testing limits, sometimes its just from feeling frustrated. If it only happens occasionally I don't view it as a serious problem, though if it comes from frustration the source of the frustration should be identified and dealt with (otherwise the behavior may repeat).

A second definition is that of a submissive who deliberately acts out in small ways in order to be punished with spankings, etc. Most of this is intended to be playful and harmless, though not all doms view it as such. It seems to be most common with those who identify as babygirls and Daddydoms. So long as it remains exactly that, something playful and the dominant has no problem with it, there's nothing really wrong with it. The problem I've often seen how ever is that either a "babygirl brat" tries this behavior with a dominant that does not appreciate it and then doesn't understand why she receives a very real and unpleasant punishment; or the once playful and acceptable behavior starts to escalate into things that are not any longer acceptable or amusing.

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 3:55:13 PM   
imtempting


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Status: offline 		The people that act out for pain aint they the people after pain?? and could that be a reason why??


And my head and stomach feels crap, think I had too much Johniee Walker :(

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 4:02:05 PM   
Padriag


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Status: offline 		Its not necessarily pain they want... my observation was it was generally attention they wanted and they were using bratty behavior in the same way some children do to get attention. Most of us will do that in some way at some point... for example, someone feeling very frustrated may enact a behavior that gets them some attention and sympathy... that's a fairly normal human behavior so far as it goes, deal with the root problem and the behavior quickly disappears. However, for a significant proportion of the babygirls I have encountered, acting out in a bratty way to get attention was nearly a full time occupation, and that just gets plain annoying.

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 4:48:34 PM   
MLapis


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Status: offline 		I think luvdragonx hit the nail on the head!

I also recognize it as when I say something is going to happen one way and begging begins or a full fledge discussion endures and despite my continuous attempt to explain why....I begin to feel pushed into a guilt trip...and the discussion turns into a very very uncomfortable one for both of us...and I begin to feel My Dommeness is being questioned or...perhaps ignored. Like being topped from the bottom.
I have little patience for brattiness...Thanks to Slutsub for starting this post...it helps to see this in black and white!

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 5:18:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there is a fine line between a sub/slave who is being a brat (perhaps in jest ) and one who is an alpha sub and a true brat (i.e. Bratty most of the time and requires constant watching and discipline).

I can forgive a sub/slave if she is occasionally bratty as long as she doesn’t try it on for size in public. I’ll simply give her back as much as she gives as far as shit stirring goes. (WEG I have definitely a Machiavellian SOH).

I enjoy an alpha sub for I know she will rise to the occasion especially when I give her responsibilities.

A real brat? I don’t have the time to deal with her; we’d be parting and going our different ways.


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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 5:53:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Playful bratty is better. Just a regular brat is a pain in the ass. Sorry to be blunt, but there it is.



Edited for spelling

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 6:15:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dominmd

Playful bratyt is better. Just a regular brat is a pain in the ass. Sorry to be blunt, but there it is.





that is pretty much how I feel and is my style with my Master/Daddy, I have a bratty playful nature but also know when not to be doing it too, so I guess the natural me is playful but the mature side knows the limits.

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 6:46:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll say it again..we all have different ways of looking at and dealing th the situation presented to us...what one considers a BRAT another might consider a playful exchange...now for MHO...a brat to me is a submissive who knows a line has been crossed yet refuses or continues down that road to destruction...I don't cotton kindly to a slave trying or even thinking of testing my patience or capabilities...maybe I'm to old school for that kind of interaction because if it's bratty I see and it continues...my reaction is swift and final...there's no mistaking what's to be play and what's to be irritating...


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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 7:35:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dominmd

Playful bratty is better. Just a regular brat is a pain in the ass. Sorry to be blunt, but there it is.



Edited for spelling



I echo that


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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/29/2005 11:44:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bratty can be fun, but it can also be challenging. Playful bratiness, and serious bratiness can be hard to discern. If you happen to be enamoured with a TRUE brat, like I am, then as a good Dom you shouldn't stifle that, because you aren't fulfilling your responsibility. I think you have to foster your submissive's growth, otherwise they will become useless and unsatisfying. Just my little old opinion. However, Dominants have the right to restrict those bratty moments to the time of their choosing. Let your brat get her/his fussy moment out, and then she/he will go back to being your good, obedient, caring sub.


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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/30/2005 6:01:05 AM   
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i'm a grown woman..i may have a time when i'm short-tempered, but i'd be pissed as hell to be dismissed by having a Man characterise my behavior as "bratty"; which describes the conduct of a child. If i act pissed off, i probably am, and there's some reason (such as i am in public) why i do not come out with it then and there. There is also the problem of my temper. I do not lose it often, but when i do i need some time to cool off -- maybe a couple of days -- before i can discuss the issues calmly and see things from His side as well. If pressed to discuss it immediately, i will speak from my temper and hurt Him and our relationship, neither of which i'd ever want to do.

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/30/2005 6:47:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think MAster has ever called me bratty.I have a natural tendency to ask questions and always want to know "why" but He says He just takes that as part of my personality and and He seems to undersatnd that my past ecperiences have a lot to do with me questioning things.. However.. I have learned never interupt Him when He's talking (ouch)
one timeIi can remeber being bratty is for example.. when hurricane Dennis was about to hit my brothers house and I was worried sick, I thold MAster i was fine when I wasn't..I could not focus and became mouthy and disobedient. He quiclky recognized I was not myself and stopped the session but i was in trouble for not being completly honest about how i was feeling... another would be when I ask a question and don't get an answer as quiclky as "I" think i should orHe says "when its time pet" and I just don't accept that and keep nagging for the answer (lol) gonna have to learn not to do that someday (lol) these are the kind of things my Master says are bratty acting even though He knows i don't do it for the attention.. It just happens sometimes.. even as subs we cannot be in full submissive mode 24/7. outside life takes over at times.

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RE: bratty subs and slaves - 7/30/2005 3:29:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		as for myself, i am not a bratty sub. i have had bratty moments that i am not proud of. i was writing in my journal today as Master had asked and in writing, i found when i am most frustrated due to lack of communication is when it surfaces. i think journaling is good for that reason as well. You can write about your day, your frustrations and goals. i find just writing sometimes makes it seem a little less important than just bottling it all up.

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