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My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 5:33:13 PM   
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Under the term “Long Distance Relationship” I am thinking primarily about relationships which are maintained primarily or exclusively through telephone or computer communication.  In my 20 years of scene life I have come to realize that what makes or breaks a relationship is communication.  If there is poor communication the relationship is not going to feed the needs of all parties.  If it does not feed their needs, the relationship will eventually disintegrate.

In this interconnected computer based society in which we live, it seems as if we can sit in our study and talk, one on one, with friends from all over the world, and to a great extent we can.  But it is profoundly important that we realize it is NOT the same as face to face conversation.

Why is reading a book the second time not the identical experience as reading it the first?  Because we, the readers, ADD to the experience.  When we read an engaging novel, is it not possible to “see” the action, “hear” the dialogue?  When we read a letter from a close personal friend, is it not possible, in fact, is it not USUAL for us to “hear” the voice of our friend who has written the words.  I say it is.

We have the same ability when we read the thoughts of a person we have never met coming to us in real time as they type the words.  We see them, we hear them, we watch their gesticulation, we cloth them and groom them as we wish, and that is the important part, AS WE WISH.

We have all heard the horror stories of those who portray themselves as something they are not.  We all believe, unreasonably as it may be, that we would be able to see through such portrayal to the real person beneath.  Perhaps.  But I would suggest that when communicating with someone, who may even be worthy of your trust, it is IMPOSSIBLE to see through the fictitious representation of that person WE create simply because we are human.

This computer based form of communication has been with us for decades.  But we, as humans, have communicated almost exclusively face to face for millennia and I propose that in real time written conversations what we IMAGINE is all the other parts of communication that is not available to us.  Sight; how the person dresses, does he look at me when he talks, what is his body saying, is he giving me his attention or is he doing other things as well?  Hearing; what is his intonation, are his thoughts coming clearly or is he hesitating, do I like the sound of his voice, or is he whiny?  Smell; touch; every form of communication that tells us, is this a person I can trust, does he attract me?

What must be accepted is that all these forms of communication are so necessary that we automatically fill them in FROM OUR OWN IMMAGINATION.  They are NOT coming from the person writing the words you are reading.  And in a situation where we truly want this person to be the kind of Dom, Domme, sub or slave that attracts us, we fill them in with all the right answers.  It is like giving someone a questionnaire and filling in the answers before giving it to them.

So, what do we see, a series of intense, painful, exciting relationship that flash to the heights of perfection and overwhelming love/worship/adoration only to crash just as quickly into disillusionment and self doubt.

I did it.  Had my share of heartache and real world pain from imaginary relationships as I was coming to accept the kinky aspects of my life.  Now I have a most delightful slave and we are looking for another.  But we know it will take time, understanding, experience and most importantly, communication.
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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 5:58:47 PM   
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One argument I keep hearing over and over is that one can't see or hear the person one is communicating with online.  Are NChaka and I the only two people here who use webcams and headsets for something BESIDES cybering???  Yahoo and Windows Live are free and a perfectly servicable webcam and headset costs about $40 at Walmart here.  Is that too much to invest in a relationship??

Is video chat the same as being face-to-face in person? Of course not!  But I do see His facial expressions, the look in His eyes, and His body language as He talks to me.  I hear the pride or disappointment in His voice; His tone, the inflection and stress on one word over another in a sentence.  Even in IM's, IRC or other 'real time' text messages there is a LOT of self-censoring that can go on that simply isn't present in a video chat.  We cannot engage taste, smell or touch via webcam, but it's not all that much different from sitting on opposite sides of a kitchen table and just talking either, especially if one has a cold and can't smell or taste anything anyway.  We do miss those other things terribly, but sex and kinky playtime is not what makes our relationship work (those are the fringe benefits  ).

Our long distance relationship is now two years old, with a little over one more year until we can be together 24/7/365.  Until then we are Master/sub 24/7/365 and together 24/7/21 and I wouldn't trade being His for anything.


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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 5:59:57 PM   
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Indeed.

The three C's: Clear Computational Communication. I hope no one realises I’m making this up.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 6:00:04 PM   
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This is why technology marches on - my relationship with gentlestarZR is primarily via phone and internet. However, these days the internet is not just chat, but audio and video as well. In our day-to-day the only senses that are not engaged are those of touch, smell and taste.

Seeing my pet is not "impossible", it is a daily occurrance. Hearing her is only a phone call away. Inflection, reaction, appearance. It's not all in isolation and doesn't rely on me "filling in the blanks" or my imagination.

Of course, this approach is not for everyone - being apart from the person you love is not an easy path. It's not for everyone - it takes brutal honesty and devotion to one another.


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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 6:15:37 PM   
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I agree with what  Amicia  and ZapRobo have said completely. There is more to technology than just typing words on a screen.

We did it for 10 months and it sure does get hard having to go without the touching, smelling, and tasting.  Cyber and phone is a poor substitute and not one I would recommend for any real amount of time. But for many, like myself, it can have an incredible happy ending.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 6:29:33 PM   
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We were ldr for two years. Saw each other about every six weeks on average. Is it easy? No, but no relationship is otherwise people who live in the same house would never get divorced. Communication is needed but so is a continuing compatibility.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 7:02:04 PM   
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Its better to look locally, or not at all.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 7:23:53 PM   
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My LDR is finally coming to an end! It's now about to become a semi-LDR where I will get to come home every weekend, 3 nights a week, instead of 3 nights a month. We've been together 14 months, separated for the most part by 2000 miles, though we've spent as much as 2 months at a time under the same roof. So it's not a traditional ldr situation. Anyway, it was taking it's toll on me at least and I do agree I couldn't have gone on much longer with primarily phone and internet. The truth is, I would have if I'd had to but my luck changed and I got a job closer to home. I wonder now if I'll soon forget the pain of being away for weeks at a time and start complaining that the 3 hour drive twice a week is too much? I sure hope not. Oh yeah, and we used skype with webcam for much more than cybering. I agree technology does help but I think the OP might have been talking about a relationship that is not working towards being together fulltime-realtime. Correct me if I'm wrong...but there's a lot more that can be put up with if you know that within a certain amount of time you'll get to be together for real.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 7:26:45 PM   
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I cheer for the very few that make a long distance relationship work, however, the percentages of it actually working are miniscule..but the few successes keep others hoping theirs may be the one that does come out successfully on the other side..To my way of thinking,if the distance is not prohibitive and both parties are financially secure somewhat, then maybe it could be viable..but realisticially, most do not have extra funds to make even every 4 month trip viable nor have jobs that have that much vacation time available to them..one needs the body to body contact, to be able to touch, to be able to use all our senses to make it all so very real in our heads..to basically engender more of a touchstone to one another..otherwise it usually all slips away...Tempting

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 7:27:13 PM   
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Sure a long distance relationship can work if you believe it can and don’t go into it with the mindset that such things don’t work and aren’t real.
 
Communication is the cornerstone of a LDR. You have to take every opportunity and means to keep in touch. Instant messaging, e-mail, webcams and the phone all give you a certain important dynamic and together they are powerful tools to make you feel connected. D/s over the phone seems to work well to me. If you are connected with the person it can be intimate and intense.
 
Many of the best online relationships I’ve had came about because of a certain interest we both had. I once met a woman in a chatroom for those who liked to write and we became intimate for years. We would get deeply into writing projects together that would focus us together in a common goal with so many shared emotions.
 
When you communicate, try to share personal events of your day to make yourself more real to your partner. Write about your worries, ambitions and successes. Send pictures of something that interests you. You are in things together after all.
 
Now this is controversial, but establish that the online relationship is only a tool until you really meet. Some on here argue very well that they are perfectly happy in what appears to be a relationship where they will never meet. However, this is not for me or for those I’ve come across. Most seem to have an aim in mind of actually sharing time physically together. If you do have a firm plan to meet, it makes the online time even better.
     
The whole matter requires lots of trust which is the main element of any relationship. If it appears your partner can’t be trusted online don’t think it is going to be different if you are together.
 
Don’t let boredom and temporary excitement break your bond. You won’t feel the same afterwards and your partner will pick up on such emotions eventually.
 
On the other hand, you have to trust your partner, also. Not having trust in your partner is also an emotion that will be picked up and lead to a rivalry, “gotcha” type atmosphere.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 7:51:31 PM   
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as my Master said it is hard but its worth it .. but i dont imagine anything heck even smell i still have when he was here with me for a couple weeks i happened to keep one of his shirts :p so i still have his wonderful scent i can snuggle up to .. but theres more to relationships then just touching and smells .. we are bound deeper i feel because we are so open with all our thoughts and feelings instead of hiding anything in because face to face people can be shy so if i talk things out when we are in person i'm not shy with him about anything .. but we arnt just based on sex we have a strong foundation and the video chats and talking and always being able to get ahold of him helps so much .. he's always there for me .. {altho the sex was great *innocent thoughts*}
as for being differnt when you meet face to face .. being attracted to one another .. having a little spark .. anytime you start dating someone it either works or it doesnt .. you dont know till you try .. but i must say when i met Master the first time everything clicked into place .. it went so much better then i ever dreamed and i think it was all from me letting go and being me .. i realized this is my Master he knows all there is to know about me so why be shy .. and i just let my walls down it went perfect ..

LDR's can work if you are devoted enough and if you truely believe this is the person i want to spend my life with .. so i'd say its worth the wait for us .. if being together is so perfect .. i wouldnt trade anything we have together ..

sorry if this is just a bunch of rambling its late and i'm tired :p


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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 7:52:27 PM   
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For me so far anyway, I have only 'met' people on-line here. I have met guys before in real time, from other dating sites before and it was always some sort of a shock.

Gee,I remember the days when living in Manhattan and a coupla friends successfully pressured me to do newspaper personal ads in the alternative paper. Then there was not a picture to go on. First they would read my small ad in the paper then they would leave a phone message and then I would choose to call them back or not.

I was amazed at the incredible amount of time it took, the whole process. Talking on the phone, getting some idea, feelings, and then setting up a place to meet. Most of the time I was very disappointed. Had I met them thru a friend, let's say, and they asked me out, I would have immediately said no.

I hated that process and gave it up for that reason. One guy was "6 ft tall". How he ended up at the bar or wherever we met shorter than me I am not sure.

Here on CM, it is a whole other thing for me. I am happy to go very slow. I do not feel any rush to meet anyone in real life yet. I have 'met' some men here tho that if they were closer I already would have met them for coffee or a walk in the park if they had wanted to too.

Then with pictures too, I have found, I can see one pic and think,"Hmmm, possibilities here..." and then click to the next photo and go, "Um no, afterall, I dont think so."

I love to write to people, or read what they say when I have an avid interest in them for one reason or another. Not necessarily for 'that' way, it could be friends only. I like to get ideas about people, it is kinda fun. I imagine them in their life, what their house might look like, what sorts of clothing they wear, their car, how they drive, what their teeth look like, what makes them smile, and all kinds of things like that. Who their families are, may I meet the mother? So many things to imagine. I know I can be dead off, I do realize that. It is the 'feeling into' someone I like.

Granted, I think it is good to leave a margin for not feeling 'that' way on either side of the cafe table, once the times comes to go out there and meet him in the flesh. It makes sense. Not having met is not having met. Real life, or meat-space is ultimately where it is at. I long to meet a man I feel ready to meet in real life. It would be divine if the encounter was everything I ever hoped for and more but to go into it with no margin for anything else to happen is a bit scary.

There is a part of me that would like to meet 'him' in meat-space before on cam even. I bet cam is really good to get that extra-extra idea about folks. So exhilarating too but somehow I would rather meet his moving face and body for the first time in meat-space. I suppose it depends on the situation at the time.

I cammed one guy who didnt have a cam and it was trippy for sure but not a preference of mine at all.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 7:59:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

Its better to look locally, or not at all.

And this is based on what?  I couldn't disagree more.  Master found me through CollarMe from 800 miles away.  Neither of us have ever been happier.  We hit it off right away and this is the best relationship either of us have ever had.  We began talking on the phone right away, web-camming and, by six weeks in, I was visiting him in Arkansas.  I later made the move and we have lived together for several months now.  Looking only "locally" or not at all would've caused me to miss the best opportunity of my life.  Speak for yourself.  The world is full of wonderful people.  They don't have to live down the street with all the technology we know have....................luci


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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 8:23:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RRafe

Its better to look locally, or not at all.


In the recent thread regarding Interracial Relationships http://www.collarchat.com/m_1336052/tm.htm , there was quite a bit of discussion regarding prejudice, racism, etc.  What I realized 2 years ago with NChaka was that I was being prejudiced.  What is worse, I wasn't even being prejudiced against who or even 'what' He is, but where He was!  So I took long hard look at who He is and I found He was everything I had hoped for except local.  If it is wrong (and in my system of ethics, it is) to be prejudiced against someone solely for their race, culture, gender or sexual orientation, etc., how logical is it to be prejudiced against someone for where they live?  Isn't that cultural prejudice in disguise? 

I've experienced racial prejudice because I had non-white friends; I've seen cultural prejudice when my cousin married a Hispanic man.  I've experienced gender prejudice because I can work on my own car or put in the new subfloor and linoleum down in my kitchen by myself.  I've experienced prejudice against sexual orientation when I was stuffed into a trash can in high school because I was openly bisexual.  I decided I didn't want to continue to be prejudiced based on NChaka's location.  I took a chance on the incredible connection I felt with this amazing Man on the other side of the ocean and I've never regretted that decision, not even when being separated is the hardest.

There is a silver lining to being in a long distance relationship.  I've truly learned the value of deep, honest communication and all the different avenues one can take to achieve it.  I've experienced all the wonderful qualities of an intimate, loving, romantic, supportive D/s relationship that are outside the bounds of sex and kinky play.  When we are together, it is all those "other" qualities that make living life in a D/s relationship so rich, rewarding and fulfilling.  The hot sex and kinkiness is just the icing on the cake.

btw-- it's triple chocolate fudge icing--about 3" thick--and non fattening!!


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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 8:25:56 PM   
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I don't want to waste time on something that has never once borne fruit for me.

I'm done with it-local or nothing from now on.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 8:39:51 PM   
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It's interesting, how it may've rather close to reading a book, at a time, as you said.  Back it long-distance meant letters.

An illistrated book, when people could take and mail pictures.

With the advent of phones, perhaps.. a talking book with illistrations?

Now there's text, so it's an interactive, talking book with pictures.

Then there's webcams, so now it's an interactive, talking book that you can watch act out in video.

Soon, there will almost certainly be robotic-type devices to be controlled remotely.  It'll be an interactive, talking book that you can watch out in video while touching a bit.

Later, when virtual reality is more perfected?

Anyhow, my point simply is.. your analogy was quite true, long ago, when it was just letters.  As technology bridges things closer together.. the analogy becomes less and less like a book, and more and more like real life.  There are less things to imagine, more realism, more communication.. more "truth" to it.

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 8:45:04 PM   
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I have to agree with Rafe. While these very happily-ever-after stories are great, the chance of it happening are astronomical. TTWD is such an intense thing, and to complicate it with distance, it makes it that much harder. I am not capable of re-locating and after all WHO would want to re-locate to oklahoma??? To wait years to feel a person's touch, fell them breathe next to you, to sit with them in the quiet, nope, I could never do it.


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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 8:50:15 PM   
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I don't want to waste time on something that has never once borne fruit for me.

I'm done with it-local or nothing from now on.


I have no problem with you or anyone else saying that-- for yourselves.  On the other hand, I would also strongly caution anyone contemplating a long distance relationship.  It IS damned hard!  The nights alone ARE the worst, hugging His pillow or wearing His shirt while my chest feels like it's going to implode from the ache.  But I've also not met any Dominant in person or online who is anywhere close to as good of a match for *me* as NChaka.  It wasn't from a lack of looking either.  I had a face-to-face uncollared relationship with a Dominant who was within driving distance for 3 months before NChaka collared me.  I'd made dozens of contacts, both face-to-face and local-but-online.  I still belong to a munch group, though I've not been able to get up there for a couple of years. 

So many people assume that being in a long distance relationship is settling and I think the exact opposite is often true.  I wanted the absolute best Master for me I could find and that is NChaka.  I'm not saying long distance is for everyone.  It isn't.  But if you meet someone who you truly click with, someone who seems 'perfect' in every other aspect, don't let distance be the only thing that keeps you from finding the kind of joy and happiness I've found.

edited to fix grammar and add in reply to kat:

Long distance is not the same as online only.  NChaka has been to see me twice.  If I didn't know what His touch actually feels like, I wouldn't miss it so damned much!

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 8:56:17 PM   
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I have to agree with Rafe. While these very happily-ever-after stories are great, the chance of it happening are astronomical. TTWD is such an intense thing, and to complicate it with distance, it makes it that much harder. I am not capable of re-locating and after all WHO would want to re-locate to oklahoma??? To wait years to feel a person's touch, fell them breathe next to you, to sit with them in the quiet, nope, I could never do it.


kat

You're right.  Give up and go ahead and settle.  If someone nearby never works out for you, don't look further.  You're right.  Just because some of us have found bliss with someone outside of a short driving distance doesn't mean you and Rafe ever could.  No one would ever want to relocate to Oklahoma or you.  Just accept that it can never happen for you.  There's no one for you. 

COME ON.  None of that is true.  Don't worry about where they are, just worry about who and what they are.  The rest can and has fallen into place for others and can for you as well.  Good luck...........luci

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RE: My Opinion on Long Distance Relationships - 10/12/2007 8:57:26 PM   
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So many people assume that being in a long distance relationship is settling and I think the exact opposite is often true.  I wanted the absolute best Master for me I could find and that is NChaka.  I'm not saying long distance is for everyone.  It isn't.  But if you meet someone who you truly click with, someone who seems 'perfect' in every other aspect, don't let distance be the only thing that keeps you from finding the kind of joy and happiness I've found

exactly, amicia!

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