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Real0ne -> Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/13/2007 7:56:37 PM)

Operation Iraqi Freedom


America rescues the iraqi people from WMD's and promotes freedom in Iraq!

13 New born Iraqi babies.  Arent they cuties?


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What about our guys?  Over 200,000 (some say its closer to 400,000 now), of our soldiers have gulf war syndrome.   aka: DU poisoning

They bring it home and poison their wives.

Is it ok to do this to the iraqis and afghans?  4.5 billion, (THATS BILLION!) year 1/2 life.

Is your kid in or going to Iraq?  Is it ok to do this to US Citizens?  Our kids?

Military Claims Uranium Radiation is Safe!!!

US Veterans Arrested for speaking out against the use of depleted uranium in Iraq!  (freedom)



DU poisoning




NorthernGent -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/14/2007 2:40:28 AM)

It only takes 10 seconds of imagination for some sort of understanding on what it must be like to have your country flattened.

Death, having limbs amputated in ram-shackle hospitals, children losing their mothers and fathers and having to scavange to stay alive, mothers unable to feed their children because there's no work and no food, people fleeing cities and countries and being housed in camps, no running water, sanitation non-existent, disease rife, homes turned into rubble, everything you've worked hard for all your life going down the drain at the hands of a group of people who are stuck so far up their own arses that they think they've been ordained by god to decide which country needs destroying.

Words are easy, it must be a living nightmare to have your cities reduced to rubble - none of us could possibly begin to understand what that must be like.

I suppose these war-mongerers don't have 10 seconds to spare, or have no imagination, or are quite happy to ruin peoples' lives in exchange for a bigger car, and most certainly are lacking in a few healthy emotions such as compassion and charity.




meatcleaver -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/14/2007 2:47:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

It only takes 10 seconds of imagination for some sort of understanding on what it must be like to have your country flattened.

I suppose these war-mongerers don't have 10 seconds to spare, or have no imagination, or are quite happy to ruin peoples' lives in exchange for a bigger car, and most certainly are lacking in a few healthy emotions such as compassion and charity.


The warmongers are psychopaths, emotional cripples that don't have the ability to imagine.

9/11 was not a masacre to them but a good excuse to quench their own blood lust on some other innocents.




NorthernGent -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/14/2007 2:54:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

emotional cripples



Definitely some sort of malfunctioning.........'children masquerading as adults.




Real0ne -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/15/2007 9:16:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

It only takes 10 seconds of imagination for some sort of understanding on what it must be like to have your country flattened.

I suppose these war-mongerers don't have 10 seconds to spare, or have no imagination, or are quite happy to ruin peoples' lives in exchange for a bigger car, and most certainly are lacking in a few healthy emotions such as compassion and charity.


The warmongers are psychopaths, emotional cripples that don't have the ability to imagine.

9/11 was not a masacre to them but a good excuse to quench their own blood lust on some other innocents.


They have known for years the effects of radiation (hiroshima), and i think everything is simply calculated.

They calculate how we will respond, how the rest of the world will respond and the whole lot.  I believe it was ike that said dont kid yourself everything the government does is calculated.

The thing that bothers me is that we are in effect comiting genocide with weapons of mass destruction. 

DU (ie: a dirty bomb), is considered a WMD when they talk about someone using it on us but we dumped over 400,000 TONS of it on iraq.

Those are very small jpg pics that I posted, take a look at what this shit does.

What gives the "civilized" world the right to poison a country and destroy all its inhabitants for the simply purpose of blowing up a tank at an extra 1000 yards? 





GoddessMine -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/15/2007 9:17:53 AM)

Christ, can you have a warning next time? I know it was preceded by sarcasm, but still...

Love,
GM




camille65 -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/15/2007 9:21:11 AM)

Those made me cry. No. No no no no no it is not right.




farglebargle -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/15/2007 10:27:18 AM)

At the beginning of Our War, we targeted both the power generation capability and the water and sewage treatment facilities. For the most part, these remain destroyed.

For the most part, the horrible fact that the most helpless and blameless pay the ultimate price for Our War isn't really thought about.

The most powerful depiction of the true costs of our wars I've yet to find is from the novel T2: The Future War by S. M. Stirling.


p. 115
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The next patient was an elderly woman with a very high fever, nausea, and very bad diarrhea. She complained of pains in her joints and headache as well. Dr. Ramsingh had gone to the HQ to talk to the captain about this. Two patients was hardly an epidemic, but these suggestive symptoms couldn't be ignored.

The old lady looked up at her with fever-bright eyes when Mary put the thermometer under her tongue.

"Don' wann be a burthen," she said.

"You're not," Mary assured her. "You'll be fine soon."

She certainly hoped so. That there might be cholera in this camp was inexcusable.


p. 116
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There was a commotion at the head of the ward and Mary looked up.

"This is a the hospital ward," the matron was explaining. "You have to take them to the clinic."

"Don't tell us to take them somewhere else," a man was saying, shouting, actually. "Can't you see they're sick?"

"Help up!" the woman beside him said desperately.

Mary headed toward them. Oh God, she thought, *it's children*. One of them a babe in arms, the other about the size of a four year-old. Her gut went cold. Cholera was very hard on the very young and the very old. Her eyes met the matrons' and they made a mutual executive decision.

"If one of you will stay with Matron and help her fill out a chart, I'll help the other put these children to bed." Mary put the tray on the desk and held out her arms.

The man and woman glanced at each other, then the man held out the child he was carrying; a boy, Mary saw. She took him and led the woman down the ward toward a pair of cribs that Mary now thought insanely optimistic of whoever had put this place together. *Just two*, she thought sadly.

"What are their symptoms?" she asked the mother. She didn't need to be told "fever"; she could feel it burning through the blanket. *Ice*, she thought, *where are we going to get ice?*

"Diarrhea," the mother said, her voice shaking. "It just won't stop."

It was the symptom Mary had most dreaded hearing. She efficiently stripped and cleaned the little boy and put a Pampers on him. *These aren't going to last long,* she thought bitterly.


p. 117
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She listened to the near-panicked mother as she started listing the symptoms all over again. Mary gave the woman a second look, noted the hectic flush, the too-bright eyes. *Help!* she thought, as short and desperate a prayer as she'd ever prayed.

Mary brought a chair over and sat the mother down. "Conserve your strength," she cautioned. "You're going to need it." Then she went to the supply cabinet and came back with some bottles of water boosted with vitamins and electrolytes. "Get them top drink as much of these as possible," she instructed. "I know they're sick to their stomachs and won't want it, but they need it, so get it down them." She put a couple of facecloths and a bottle of alcohol down on a bedside table. "When they get too hot, wipe them down with this. I'll be back shortly."



p. 128
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Mary held the Stratzman baby, Sonya, rocking her gently. The poor little
thing was no longer able to drink on her own the only sound was the tiny
labored breathing and the creak of the canvas camp chair beneath her.

*And I don't think the IV is doing any good.*

Sonya's fever was a hundred and six the last time it had been checked and it
felt hotter by the moment; her face was withered and thin, like a tiny
grandmother's. Mary no longer noticed the smell; it was all-pervasive through
the clinic now.

Sonya's four-year-old brother was doing a bit better that she was, but not
much. He lay in the next cot, eyes half-shut; they were dull and sunken in a
hollow-cheeked face. The lids barely flickered as one of the volunteers
changed the soiled pad under his hips and rolled him to one side to straighten
the bedclothes beneath; there were bedsores where the bones of his pelvis and
shoulder were wearing through the skin.

Mrs. Stratzman had labored over her children to the point of exhaustion,
leaving her with little in reserve when she came down with cholera. She'd
died this morning. Her husband was delirious, but he was the most likely to
survive. Through with this kind of fever, there were no guarantees.

Mary herself was very tired, that limbs-filled-with-wet-sand, burning-eyed,
hard-to-talk exhaustion that almost made her want to weep.

*As if I didn't have enough reasons to cry,* she thought. And then: *You're
healthy, you've got no one to lose anymore, you're young enough to probably
throw off the infection if you do get it.*

Right now if felt as though she was stealing this time from other patients, but
babies responded better if they were held occasionally. And it gave the
nurses, both professional and volunteer, a chance to sit down.

She opened her eyes slowly and realized that she'd dropped off for a moment.
It could only have been a few seconds because Matron was still with the same
patient, in much the same posture as she had been. Mary yawned, then looked
down at little Sonya. The baby's eyes were half-open and her mouth was slack.
A spear of anxiety shot through her and she quickly checked the baby's pulse.
The infant's skin was already cooling, and where the pulse had been far too
rapid, now it was utterly gone.

She sighed. *At least someone was holding her when she died; she didn't go
alone in her crib.*

Yet Mary regretted that she hadn't noticed. Not that there would have been
anything she could have done about it.

Nurse Mary Shea rose and took the baby's chart off her crib, carrying it and
the small body outside. Beside the clinic was a large tent where the bodies
were stored prior to being buried. She handed Sonya to a soldier wearing a
hazard suit and respirator; he glanced at Mary and she could see the misery in
his eyes through the bug-like lenses of his mask. She shook her head and
shrugged and he nodded; sadly, she thought. Then Mary made a note on the
chart of the child's time of death and gave him the paper.

She returned to the clinic only for a moment, just long enough to inform the
head nurse of little Sonya Stratzman's death. Matron looked her over.

"Take a break," she said. "Don't come back for twenty minutes of so. We
won't fall to pieces."

"Thank you, " Mary said, from the heart.

She turned and walked away grabbing her jacket on the way out. Outside the
clinic she paused, but not for long. *I've got to get away form the smell of
this place,* she thought, and headed for the gate. She just had to get
somewhere that didn't stink of death and disease.




Termyn8or -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/15/2007 11:25:03 AM)

One thing your excerpt does not depict : we bomb hospitals too.

The actions of the government puppets and their masters are the precise reason that I totally reject Christianity. I would rather burn in hell than to be in heaven with these MFs.

Someday I hope they get theirs. I'll take mine as long as they get theirs, and I got alot coming, but nothing like "them". I hope one day they grow up and develop at least an iota of human compassion and realize that what they did cannot be undone. I hope they have a whole lot of trouble dealing with it.

And I want it clear right now, I do not mean the soldiers, I mean the people who sent them there.

T




UtopianRanger -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/15/2007 11:54:40 PM)


quote:

Is your kid in or going to Iraq?  Is it ok to do this to US Citizens?  Our kids?



It's a necessity, bra - If we don't send our kids over there, they're going to follow us home. They don't like us because of our freedoms.... [:D]




- R




AppleDanish -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 12:06:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Is your kid in or going to Iraq?  Is it ok to do this to US Citizens?  Our kids?






That was pretty horrible of you to post those pictures without specifying how awful they are.  Yes, my son may very well end up going to Iraq.  I am going to the Marine recruiter's office after he turns 17 this month to sign papers allowing him to enlist early.  He will be off to boot camp once he turns 18.  While I may not agree with a lot our country/leader/military is doing, I damn well support our troops.  We did not become this incredible nation (yes, even with all its flaws) without fighting for what we believe in - freedom.  And, that is not only our freedom, but the freedoms others in this world deserve as well.  When my son goes, I will be terrified, but equally proud.




MarineLooking -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 12:11:58 AM)

I've been to Iraq, I'm a Marine.  I'm headed back there soon.  I'm sorry we didn't finish what we started back in First Gulf War and tak Saddam out of power.  I'm perfectly healthy.  At least you'll get to sit back and saw whatever you want about the government.  I've been in the cities and I've talk to the Iraqi people.  The reasons we claimed to start the war maybe not have been right but going in was the right thing.  Those Iraqi's no longer have to fear the Iraqi police.  They now have freedoms they didn't have.  I'm not saying we are perfect but at least we are trying to make a better place out of it.  Look at third world countries and look at what they do to their own people.  Africa still has land mine and genocide.  Come one, at least you live in a country that you don't have to worry about that.  And those who do protect the country, don't fight for you'll.  We fight to keep the guy next to us and ourselfs alive.  And in doing that, you'll and I have the chance to free discuss our opinions without fear.




meatcleaver -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 1:46:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MarineLooking

I've been to Iraq, I'm a Marine.  I'm headed back there soon.  I'm sorry we didn't finish what we started back in First Gulf War and tak Saddam out of power.  I'm perfectly healthy.  At least you'll get to sit back and saw whatever you want about the government.  I've been in the cities and I've talk to the Iraqi people.  The reasons we claimed to start the war maybe not have been right but going in was the right thing.  Those Iraqi's no longer have to fear the Iraqi police.  They now have freedoms they didn't have.  I'm not saying we are perfect but at least we are trying to make a better place out of it.  Look at third world countries and look at what they do to their own people.  Africa still has land mine and genocide.  Come one, at least you live in a country that you don't have to worry about that.  And those who do protect the country, don't fight for you'll.  We fight to keep the guy next to us and ourselfs alive.  And in doing that, you'll and I have the chance to free discuss our opinions without fear.


Actually Iraqis do fear their own police because they are known to be infiltrated by insurgents. They regularly carry out murders and abductions, take bribes and run protection rackets. That has been the assessment of the British anyway.

As for Iraqis having the freedom they want, I guess that is why 2 million have left the country and several other million are displaced within their own country and daren't go home.

The whole invasion was a fuck up and it was never going to be anything else. Chirac said there would be a civil war in Iraq and that is what we have. The whole farce was predicted.




farglebargle -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 2:43:25 AM)

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The reasons we claimed to start the war maybe not have been right


That's a hell of a spin on CRIMINAL FRAUD in violation of 18 USC 371 allegedly committed by Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, et. al.





UtopianRanger -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 2:48:55 AM)

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Come one, at least you live in a country that you don't have to worry about that.  And those who do protect the country, don't fight for you'll.  We fight to keep the guy next to us and ourselfs alive.  And in doing that, you'll and I have the chance to free discuss our opinions without fear.



Ahh……The days of riding the bus from 14 area…. out the back gate, watching my fellow brothers blow a third of their paychecks trying to beat the shysters in multiple games of ''Three card molly.''  

The bus lets us off close to good ole’ ''Hill Street''...  We wander around… get a ''Gyro'' and check out a few of the dive bars.  

Those days are still fresh, brother.  

Nah….no sense in arguing with a twenty-five year-old Marine. You do what you think you gotta do and make it back to your mother and father in good shape.  



Good luck to you.    



- R




Real0ne -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 5:01:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AppleDanish
That was pretty horrible of you to post those pictures without specifying how awful they are.  Yes, my son may very well end up going to Iraq.  I am going to the Marine recruiter's office after he turns 17 this month to sign papers allowing him to enlist early.  He will be off to boot camp once he turns 18.  While I may not agree with a lot our country/leader/military is doing, I damn well support our troops.  We did not become this incredible nation (yes, even with all its flaws) without fighting for what we believe in - freedom.  And, that is not only our freedom, but the freedoms others in this world deserve as well.  When my son goes, I will be terrified, but equally proud.

Sorry about that...

You should be outraged.  The miolitary is doing the same crap they did with agent orange and denying it all.   Just for kicks Ipopped into the vets hospital and started snooping around abit and no one knows anything about it?  Duh?   Yet the symptioms and combined with the biorth defects are present.  There are a few gi's suing the army because of this.

They are pretending that low level radiation is safewhen its been long known that it is not..

Not only are we spreading our nuclear waste in iraq and afghenastan and poisoning their lands for next 4 billion years but these kids breath it and bring it hom.  Then they have sex, it passes through their bodies into the the female and you get the pics I have shown to you.

The point here is that it is not just an isolated thing, its our kids too because the filters on the masks are ineffective!  That and its not one or 2 kids its quarter million form the first gulf war and you tell me from this one!  Later in life this all results in cancer, diabetes, and the blood diseaes that i cant think of this second. 

What gives this country the right to poison off another nations peole?  I thought we went in to save them!




luckydog1 -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 6:52:01 PM)

Those pictures are indeed horrible, and were used by saddam for propaganda for over a decade.  While everyone wants to pretend we smashed the entire country and spread DU everywhere, we didn't.  The majority of those babies come from the places where Saddam used Chemical nerve agents on his own people.




farglebargle -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 10:55:47 PM)

"While everyone wants to pretend we smashed the entire country"

Are electricity, water, and sewage treatment available to the entire nation 24/7/52? No? Sounds pretty smashed to me.




luckydog1 -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 10:58:13 PM)

And yet again Farg, you demonstrate to the room your utter lack of logical thought.




Real0ne -> RE: Operation Iraqi Freedom (10/16/2007 11:14:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Those pictures are indeed horrible, and were used by saddam for propaganda for over a decade.  While everyone wants to pretend we smashed the entire country and spread DU everywhere, we didn't.  The majority of those babies come from the places where Saddam used Chemical nerve agents on his own people.


Propaganda? 

The army ADMITS to using over 300,000 TONS of it over there and it is well documented so what are you talking about?

Thats 3/4's of MILLION POUNDS of radioactive waste.

So where do you get off saying it is propaganda?  and without any kind of corroboration or references as usual. 

I am sure you will have an explanation for the birth defects found stateside also.

Looks more like lucky dog propaganda to me.





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