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Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/14/2007 10:36:37 PM   
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How many of you, male or female, have run into the issue of having to teach your boyfriend, girlfiriend, significant other, (fill in the blank) about BDSM, becuase you enjoy it?

I finally realized (and recently admitted to myself) that I enjoy being submissive.   (I know my tag name does not imply that, but I know myself.  Eventually I will find "My Lord", and he will love and cherish a submissive partner in life.)  I did try to tamp down the feelings and slide back into a vanilla lifestyle, however, I know now that is not going to work.

The challenge that I am running into, is the relationship that I started while trying to be vanilla.   He is willing to learn about it, but I don't think he enjoys it for himself.  I get the feeling that he will attempt to be "in charge" (sorry, I can't use dominant for him) because I enjoy it, but it will never be something that makes him tick.

What has been your experience with this?

Sincerely welcoming all perspectives....

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/14/2007 10:50:19 PM   
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Compromising can be a wonderful way to enjoy another partner's fantasies...but asking someone to compromise who they are will only lead to resentment.
 
As long as they are into learning, it can be a fantastic journey but I wouldn't try to change the essentials of what makes them tick. It's up to you as to whether BDSM as a sideline will be acceptable. But, maybe you're not giving him the chance to see for himself whether this is something that pushes his buttons. It sounds like you already know or you have already decided...in the end, I think it's going to amount to the same thing.
 
At this stage, if you're looking for success, communication is the way forward and so is keeping an open mind.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/14/2007 11:27:07 PM   
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I'm sure there will be some who disagree with me, but it's my experience that you can't change the spots on a leopard. Without a personal inclination or predisposition, being a dom is a cool fad for a bit, but it will slide fairly quickly into the background once the novelty has worn off. I just don't believe you can 'make' someone be a dom. Even those who do have the inclination often slide back into vanilla without a conscientious effort at active dominance.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 1:38:56 AM   
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If you're content with scening here and there, it might work. I wouldn't expect it to be a major (or consistant) aspect of the relationship if he doesn't have a personal interest or inclination for dominance.

That being said, a friend/play partner of mine is someone that I have dubbed a "sympathetic vanilla". He never developed a personal interest in BDSM of his own accord (partially due to lack of exposure), but he is curious and open to experimenting with me.

As a side effect of hanging out with me, he has developed some interest in BDSM. I'm pretty sure he's pretty take it or leave it overall, though. We have played, and he has enjoyed playing quite a bit (I have a penchant for being a "bad influence"). He has started doing a nominal bit homework himself in regards to the 'lifestyle', but I don't expect him to be on the same level as I am in regards to being interested in kink. He  also doesn't expect me to only play with him, so it works out in my situation at least. :)

YMMV. In regards to your boyfriend, as always, communication does wonders.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 2:15:31 AM   
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If he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't enjoy it. It's unlikely something as fundamental as that will change, and you won't be the first or last to have run up against that problem.

It's one thing to draw out an undeveloped desire, a latent or repressed enjoyment, but to manufacture it when it isn't there is unlikely to ever be successful.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 3:29:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheGirlfriend

How many of you, male or female, have run into the issue of having to teach your boyfriend, girlfiriend, significant other, (fill in the blank) about BDSM, becuase you enjoy it?

I finally realized (and recently admitted to myself) that I enjoy being submissive.   (I know my tag name does not imply that, but I know myself.  Eventually I will find "My Lord", and he will love and cherish a submissive partner in life.)  I did try to tamp down the feelings and slide back into a vanilla lifestyle, however, I know now that is not going to work.

The challenge that I am running into, is the relationship that I started while trying to be vanilla.   He is willing to learn about it, but I don't think he enjoys it for himself.  I get the feeling that he will attempt to be "in charge" (sorry, I can't use dominant for him) because I enjoy it, but it will never be something that makes him tick.

What has been your experience with this?

Sincerely welcoming all perspectives....

the girlfriend


I’m Dom, and never switch, so this is a bit “from the other side of the fence”, but …
 
To me, it seems like two separate questions; one concerns the teaching of someone to do specific things, the other concerns the encouragement (if that’s the correct word) of someone’s dominant side.
 
It’s a purely personal thing, but I like learning.  I’ve been at this a long time, but I don’t know it all, and therefore when I find the opportunity to learn, I enjoy it.  I certainly don’t think it makes me less of a dominant if I don’t know a specific thing.  As an example, I introduced a little while ago to fireplay, by a mate, at a club.  I went from being a bit “what’s the point?” to loving it, in one evening, and the girls I tried it on seemed to love it too.  So, if I was involved with a sub/slave and she really liked a specific thing, then I’d be perfectly happy to learn whatever that was, assuming it held any interest for me.
 
On the wider issue, of bringing out a “side” to someone, here I’m less sure.  Again, I’m only Dom, and only ever will be Dom, so I can’t comment on someone “turning” or “developing” that side of themselves, but a while back I did hook up with a girl I really liked, who wasn’t ostensibly into BDSM, therefore you could call it a “mostly vanilla” or “slightly kinky” relationship.  It really didn’t work for me; the dynamics were all wrong, and as much as I liked and cared for her, the small part of her that was submissive was not enough to sustain my interest.
 
Now of course that’s a series of statements based on a sample of one, as it were, but I guess what I’m saying is that, unless he (your boyfriend) gains pleasure and satisfaction from being dominant, I can’t see that side of things ever really going anywhere; again IME (from observing friends), blokes either take to it like a duck to water, or they just end up doing it because their partner wants them to, and without any great interest in it, and where there’s no passion for or in something, then it tends to wane.
 
All you can do is try, but if you aren’t seeing a positive response now or soon, then I’d respectfully suggest you’re probably going to be banging your head against a brick wall for all time.  Note that this doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try, just that you should be prepared for your efforts to not succeed.
 
Best of luck with it though.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 3:59:15 AM   
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It really depends on what you are looking for as far as intensity.  Can a vanilla guy order you to serve him sexually and enjoy that?  Sure, most of the vanilla guys I know would love that.  But if you're looking for more intense bondage, pain-type play, I doubt you can make someone that's not into it comfortable with it enough to truly enjoy it.
Good luck though

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 4:04:31 AM   
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Good luck to you, girlfriend.  Having tried to introduce even kink into a vanilla relationship, I got the stereotypical responses:  you must be some kind of slut to know this stuff.  Where your guy at least understands a bit of your chosen lifestyle and is willing to learn at least scening, you got a leg up.  "Teaching" him to be A Dominant, not just dominant,  is another thing.  IMO they either are or they aren't.  And if he's doing it only to please you, it may not last long. 

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 6:26:33 AM   
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My husband and I have tried exactly what you're describing.

I'm happy to share my experiences with you - please send me a message if you'd like that - but I don't think they are necessarily relevant... What I mean is that each situation is different.  Each person involved in this dilemma is different, and brings their own needs and desires into the mix.  What one person would find 'role play', another person might find very fulfilling.  So it's my opinion that the question is ultimately not answerable by anyone other than those involved in each individual situation.

My own thoughts are that you can't necessarily 'teach' someone to *be* dominant.  As others have said, teaching someone about dominant actions are another story... And that can be perfectly okay, depending on what you want. 

Lastly, I'm not in the camp that thinks someone lovingly doing it just for his or her partner is something to be looked down on or thought of as a lesser experience.  I've found that him trying this just because it's fulfilling a need for me was powerful in its own right.  It doesn't have to a negative thing... it can be a very good and beautiful thing.

Good luck to you.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 6:35:15 AM   
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Girlfriend,

It is twice as hard for a male to accept D/s then a female. It seems to be hard wired into many males that dominance equates to disrespect of the female.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 6:54:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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I'm sure there will be some who disagree with me, but it's my experience that you can't change the spots on a leopard. Without a personal inclination or predisposition, being a dom is a cool fad for a bit, but it will slide fairly quickly into the background once the novelty has worn off. I just don't believe you can 'make' someone be a dom. Even those who do have the inclination often slide back into vanilla without a conscientious effort at active dominance.

Celeste


I agree.

What the OP may discover is that someone vanilla is actually kinky but was never exposed to the ideas before in a positive way.

If the OP can find it, I think "Whipsmart" is a great introductory video. It isn't porn and it isn't just sex, it's about talking to your partner about your kinky interests.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 7:00:59 AM   
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quote:

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How many of you, male or female, have run into the issue of having to teach your boyfriend, girlfiriend, significant other, (fill in the blank) about BDSM, becuase you enjoy it?



It can be quite the challenge. I've had more success by taking them to an event, since what you've ultimately got to do is treat the stigma popular culture has inflicted. However, if they're still not receptive after that.. which is sometimes the case, you'll have to make a choice either to give it up, or move on. It being a dramatic process, I usually prefer to deal with people already hooked :)


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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 7:35:11 AM   
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I did, and it worked out somewhat well.  

Hmm, a few of the problems that I ran into he wasn’t sure of it himself. I had better luck with him taking on a more dominant role (short term play) then willing to be a submissive. Leads me to a warning, you might not get what you were hoping for. I was hoping for a submissive-switch and I got a dominant that was ok with me tying him up some times.

The way in which I introduced it was tit for tat, I tied him up and then let him tie me up. From there we added different forms of play, humiliation and a couple other things. It worked pretty well.

It might not be his thing, or he may feel guilt. Or he could even be a submissive. I would talk to him, and it maybe something he desires to do only to make you happy, I think it comes down to how you feel about him and what do you need to make you happy.

Just my thoughts,
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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 7:46:57 AM   
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I had a reverse reaction of sorts.  Its hard to meet people in the lifestyle as im very shy and steer clear of munches and etc for professional reasons.

Anyway I have actually tried to use bdsm as a way to break up with two different girls as i said I im into bdsm etc. Funny enough as it turns out their interested and said they were always too scared to bring it up with someone...

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 7:50:38 AM   
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Get a friend in another state and go with them to a munch. There will be now one to conflict with your professional career.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 8:14:44 AM   
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One of the biggest relationship breakers I see in this-is rigidity of mindset. People get this vision of a perfect partner-and it's so stong that they insist on overlaying it on top evey prospect-looking for a match. It's a bit like tying a lion mask onto a rabbit-and expecting the rabbit to become a lion by default. But it kinda LOOKS like a lion...........

Really practical way to go about getting one's needs met.eh?

Are you carrying a mask around with you?

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 8:23:11 AM   
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Whenever I see a post like the OP, about 'teaching someone' kink, I always wonder...

...what if the SO turns out to actually be kinky, but at the wrong end of the expected spectrum?  A girl teaches her boyfriend about a kink, hoping to reveal his dominant nature, and finds him to be extremely submissive, or vice versa.  It bears considering, doesn't it? 


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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 8:51:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheGirlfriend

How many of you, male or female, have run into the issue of having to teach your boyfriend, girlfiriend, significant other, (fill in the blank) about BDSM, becuase you enjoy it?

I finally realized (and recently admitted to myself) that I enjoy being submissive.   (I know my tag name does not imply that, but I know myself.  Eventually I will find "My Lord", and he will love and cherish a submissive partner in life.)  I did try to tamp down the feelings and slide back into a vanilla lifestyle, however, I know now that is not going to work.

The challenge that I am running into, is the relationship that I started while trying to be vanilla.   He is willing to learn about it, but I don't think he enjoys it for himself.  I get the feeling that he will attempt to be "in charge" (sorry, I can't use dominant for him) because I enjoy it, but it will never be something that makes him tick.

What has been your experience with this?

Sincerely welcoming all perspectives....

the girlfriend


If you are attempting to teach someone to dominate you - then i'd say forget about it. Dominant is a personality, not a behavior. There are many things in the BDSM world that can be learned - various kinks, but you cannot make something be part of someone's personality if it isn't there to begin with. At the very least submission can draw dominance out of someone, but it can't create it.
 
To experience deep submission takes a partner who feels his/her dominance, not someone who plays a role or complies with your wishes by "acting" in charge.  At least that's been my experience. It's a chemistry thing for me. There is no more intense rush for me than being in the presence of a passionate Dominant, one who experiences their own power and "impels" me with it, causing me to feel compelled or inspired to submit to Him, to worship Him, to crave pleasing Him and fulfilling His desires. i would never feel that with someone pretending to be "in charge" because it makes me happy.

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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 5:06:48 PM   
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Wow!  Quite the variety of response...thank you ever so much.   It's obvious to me that many of you have either been in this type of situation or knew others who were/are.

The biggest comment I heard from almost all of you was to communicate.   In regards to communication, we've been pretty open with each other.   It sometimes takes me a bit to get my words out...I personally think I'm better at writing than I am at talking...but that's one of my goals: being a better communicator verbally.

In regards to changing the way someone is wired, changing spots, asking them to compromise who they are, or asking if I have a mask....I would hope that I'm not doing that, if I am, then I'm in the wrong...

As one person put it, I think I was trying to figure out if others had tried to encourage a more dominant side of their (fill in the blank).   And if they were willing to share, find out how it worked out for them...

Thank you for sharing...all of you have given me quite a bit to think about. 

Thank you!

TheGirlfriend



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RE: Teaching someone about BDSM... - 10/15/2007 7:43:41 PM   
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Startlingly familiar. :/

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