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RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/15/2007 7:29:11 PM   
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Greyarcher: quite funny to learn in your links that the average global temperature is not accurately known and that future temperature increase predictions,based on computor models are more accurate than estimates based on measurement of the actual global average.

So if man made global warming enthusiasts used the top of the current limit and compared that with the bottom of the predicted limit then one possibilty is a fall in temperature.

Thanks for that he he he he he he


It`s all based on models.

That`s not the point.

If you don`t know how the science works,or can`t grasp it as a laymen,be humble enough is admit that there are folks who can in fact,understand the models and grasp the science.

Don`t be so foolish as to think someone else can`t understand it,or grasp it,just b/c you can`t.You don`t tell your doctor he`s full of shit,because "you"(personally) don`t understand the science/medicine, behind his words.

And finally,we should all know that these concepts are difficult to comprehend.That being so,it`s supper easy for someone crafty(like the friendly folks at the Competitive Enterprise Institute), to confuse you,and take advantage of your lack of science knowledge.



The best way to sort out the chafe,from the wheat,is to follow the link back,or the author back,and see who he/she represents.
If it`s a trade group,or the sponsor of the web page is anonymous,for the most part,it`s a biased,"interested",advocacy group.
Not a grass roots consumer advocacy group,fighting for the interests of the consumer.Just follow your nose.

If the link goes to a University or non-profit research outfit,a news paper or mainstream science periodical,it might have some credibility.

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RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/15/2007 8:05:46 PM   
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Hell calm down a bit!  Yes Gore is a fanatic espousing dodgy science at best. The UN should be shut down Nobel prize or not. When it comes to effectively carrying out the job it was assigned to do, it has been a dismal failure. There may be a consensus among a large number of worldwide scientists regarding global warming but it seems everyone fails to mention the consensus against it by just a large a group. The overall global temperature dropped in 2006. I am a scientist who happens to fall into the consensus group that the earth goes through normal climactic changes and cycles and throughout history this has been seen before and well before man began using fossil fuels and chloroflorocarbons to propel hair spray.

I don't tend to give a flying rat's testicle who agrees or disagrees with me though I will not get into a shouting match, pissing contest or tossing effen about at me. At the end of the day these are theories; as in theoretical. They are hypothesis in nature and therefore just as Darwin can be talked to death with no real, here it is in your face, scientific proof..........yet.

Be Well,

EG


I don`t know about that.Seems to me,the ones freaking out are the deniers.

That day,lol,the day Gore won,Sean Hanity was spitting vinegar and calling him every name in the book.

People started bringing up the fake story about the Internet thing,calling his wife a neo-nazi,lol,even bringing up the phony list of people supposedly killed by Bill Clinton.

The guy won a nice prize.Stop with the sour grapes.

Prediction:*
As we get closer to the election,we`re going to be hearing a lot more about the "list".The list of people that the wacko section of the right-wing circulates,of people they say Bill Clinton killed.It was posted earlier(lol ,yes,by a nut)

I know that most of ya`ll haven`t heard about this"list".
You`d have to be a wonk(like me) or a republican/neo-con, to have heard about it.

If you haven`t ,consider yourself lucky.Hearing about the "list",and learning about the dark side of the neo-cons,was like learning about what happens to un-wanted dogs.(it ain`t pretty)

It`s a list put together by un-known people,and gets passed around and mentioned on Rush`s show,and Sean Hanity`s show,etc a lot.Though the author is un-know,Rush or Sean will simply say,"I believe that this is true,and that Bill Clinton either killed,or had something to do with their deaths".Never authenticating or giving the "list",a critical view.And repeating it, hundreds of times,over and over.No wonder the ditto-heads are soft in the head.

Folks,this "list"comes from the dark side of republicanism.The list and those folks who espouse it, are the nuts of the nuts.The true definition of conspiracy nuts.
And most of Rush Limbaugh`s listeners,as well as Orielly`s,and Hanity`s,etc. listeners,also go along with the kooky weirdness,that is the"list".

I say this knowing that some of ya`ll will hear about the list,and Hillary killing people,and her being gay,and so on ,and on.And, some people will believe it.
Lol,that`s a given.

Just keep this post in mind, when you hear about the "list" ,next year.

*- not a prediction really,I know how neo-cons operate.


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RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/15/2007 8:27:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EvilGenie

I am a scientist who happens to fall into the consensus group that the earth goes through normal climactic changes and cycles and throughout history this has been seen before and well before man began using fossil fuels and chloroflorocarbons to propel hair spray.
EG



WTG Evil one!

Its nice to see others on here that are educated and talented enough to form their own consensus.    Welcome to the minority LOL   Most of these people that get out here and argue these points need to be "told" what to think and play website wars with each other LOL

I happen to be in the same camp you are btw.

Pity so many people now days will deny history physics even and sell the mothers to promote their political agendas.



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RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/15/2007 8:33:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Prediction:*
As we get closer to the election,we`re going to be hearing a lot more about the "list".The list of people that the wacko section of the right-wing circulates,of people they say Bill Clinton killed.It was posted earlier(lol ,yes,by a nut)



I am going to have to send Al a nice basket of hard boiled eggs, burritos, and a case of beer so you can really get cranked!

Remember to hold your breath after you inhale!





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RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 12:39:54 AM   
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  • Gore's film presents graphs indicating that fluctuating carbon dioxide levels have always preceded and caused global temperature fluctuations. In fact, temperature changes have always preceded carbon dioxide changes.

    To Owner59 Suzannekneeling and others.
    Does the above bullit point represent a scientic fact an hypothesis or, dare I say it, in the Gore report, a deceitful practice ?


    EvilGenie: good point basicially comparing the "fundamentalist"  attitudes of those who believe Global Warming is caused by humans and those who believe in Natural Selection.
    I know you didn't exactly say that but I also "know" thats what you meant lol

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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 1:30:28 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: EvilGenie

    Hell calm down a bit!  Yes Gore is a fanatic espousing dodgy science at best. The UN should be shut down Nobel prize or not. When it comes to effectively carrying out the job it was assigned to do, it has been a dismal failure. There may be a consensus among a large number of worldwide scientists regarding global warming but it seems everyone fails to mention the consensus against it by just a large a group. The overall global temperature dropped in 2006. I am a scientist who happens to fall into the consensus group that the earth goes through normal climactic changes and cycles and throughout history this has been seen before and well before man began using fossil fuels and chloroflorocarbons to propel hair spray.

    I don't tend to give a flying rat's testicle who agrees or disagrees with me though I will not get into a shouting match, pissing contest or tossing effen about at me. At the end of the day these are theories; as in theoretical. They are hypothesis in nature and therefore just as Darwin can be talked to death with no real, here it is in your face, scientific proof..........yet.

    Be Well,

    EG


    And I'm Jesus Christ. I like the way you don't want to get into an argument. It is so easy to declare others wrong, offer nothing and stand aloof. However, I am struggling to find any evidence of this 'just as large" consensus against global warming. The only scientists that seem to be on that side of the argument are in the pay of the oil companies.

    If you're a scientist, god help American science, that's all I can say.

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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 5:10:31 AM   
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    I suggest we do "exactly" as the martians are doing to prevent further global warming on mars.




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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 5:15:28 AM   
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    I suggest we do "exactly" as the martians are doing to prevent further global warming on mars.





    It seems that apart from you realone, only the oil companies are recommending that sort of action.

    I wonder why?

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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 6:56:37 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Owner59
    The best way to sort out the chafe,from the wheat,is to follow the link back,or the author back,and see who he/she represents.
    If it`s a trade group,or the sponsor of the web page is anonymous,for the most part,it`s a biased,"interested",advocacy group.


    Very true, and that is some excellent advice. 

    If you follow it with one of your frequently mentioned bogeymen, Big Oil, see how long it takes for names like Occidental Petroleum to come up. Then follow that back to a person...I don't know, maybe....Armand Hammer?
    Then start searching for 'family friend of', 'on the payroll of'', 'major stockholder in', and so forth... you know, follow the money trail.
    Then for those who aren't afraid of where the answers might lie, do the same thing with Generation Investment Management .
     
    Then, just for fun try 'Big Agriculture', 'biofuels and profits', 'ADM' and 'biofuel keynote speaker'.

    WARNING!   Not for the faint of heart, or partisan fundies.  Cynics only, please.


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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 8:21:41 AM   
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    How is this any different than "the courageous" Cindy Sheehan being funded by the anti-war movement?

    Nothing to see here, move along.

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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 8:26:03 AM   
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    ''The guy won a nice prize.Stop with the sour grapes.'' This happens to be a judgement on your part. You are not going to tell me what I think or how I feel which you just did in that statement. I presented my educated opinion and the question had been asked should he have won. My simple opinion is no. A simple statement of opinion is not an arguement, which my entire post was. I hate to see anyone jumped on for stating an opinion and then when one disagrees, the writer is informed that he/she is arguing. There is nothing in my post which smacks of arguement, however, it seems when one calmly and intelligently disagrees, that qualifies as an arguement. He/she who can scream and swear the loudest is okay it seems though those presenting a logical, intelligent and educated opinion are in the wrong? Hmmm I think it not global warming we need be concerned with but global ''he who yells loudest wins.''

    I do not often participate in American politics any longer (nor do I need to as this is science, not politics at this point in the research) as I live abroad and am only here in the US for a short time again. This topic seems to have become a political football on and off this board when in actuality it is a sceintific golfball with many thousands of layers yet to get through still.

    Regards,

    EG 


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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 9:19:39 AM   
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    How is this any different than "the courageous" Cindy Sheehan being funded by the anti-war movement?

    Nothing to see here, move along.


    Oh, but you see, real leaders and heros don't need filthy money,,, they subsist entirely on 'Twuth' and white hats...

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    RE: Anti-Gore court case funded by fuel and mining indu... - 10/16/2007 10:16:18 AM   
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    P.S. It seems that the 'believer's camp' is far more nasty than the 'non-believer's camp' at this point. Just read the posts from each and see for yourself. OR read papers and articles, listen to the tone of those who buy the hypothesis vs. those who don't or are on the fence, then watch them attack the others. Sorta makes one go hmmmm.

    Be Well,

    EG

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