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Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 5:29:06 PM   
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I am looking for information on how to do this, the equipment I will need and where I can order it online, and any safety issues of which I should be aware.  Is there a website somewhere that has that kind of practical information for the BDSM practitioner?

I have used needles to pierce a submissive's breasts, nipples and labia before without incident.  My partners and I have always found it to be very hot.  I don't see suturing as much different, but I want to be careful and sure that I am doing it safely.


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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 5:33:55 PM   
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I wish you luck in your endeavor to find practical information in the swarm of negative, judgemental, and indignant opinions that will probably soon follow.

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 5:41:34 PM   
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I'm hoping that this would be temporary, rather than long-term. Doing it long-term has way too many potential complications .... 

I honestly don't know if you could get proper suturing materials without being a medical professional.  If so, you would need to do the normal things of cleaning the skin properly and maintaining a sterile field.  There is a higher risk of infection with suturing vs piercing - simply because you are dragging more things through the skin - so you have to be very careful.  Make sure you have sterile gloves, drape cloths, etc. 

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 5:48:19 PM   
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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 5:58:06 PM   
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find someone in real life to teach you how to do it...sure you can read about it all day long and maybe get it right...but if it were me i would rather learn from someone hands on and have someone that i could get help from if something went non-emergency wrong (emergency wrong - suck up your pride and go to the emergency room)...there are plenty out there that are willing to pass on the things they have learned...

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 6:23:04 PM   
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I'm hoping that this would be temporary, rather than long-term. Doing it long-term has way too many potential complications .... 


I didn't think I would have to make this clear, but of course it would be temporary, a few hours at most.  Geez, I like fucking her!!

Dan

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 7:35:50 PM   
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quote:

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I'm hoping that this would be temporary, rather than long-term. Doing it long-term has way too many potential complications .... 


I didn't think I would have to make this clear, but of course it would be temporary, a few hours at most.  Geez, I like fucking her!!

Dan


As much as I abhor this particular idea, I'm not one to term from giving advice - be wary and fully sure you understand the strain you are placing on the various tissues by sewing them in this manner, and be aware also that any kind of play like this, when performed repeatedly, is going to have negative consequences for the body, including comprimisng the structural integrity of the tissue to scar tissue formation and loss of sensitive, possibly even circulation problems.

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 8:22:21 PM   
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I agree, learn how to do this from someone IRL not from a book.  The scene is full of medical kinksters, from techs to MD's.  The female genital area rarely resembles the diagrams in the books, so practicing with someone coaching you will make it much more fun for all of you.

And maybe you can get your scrotum sewn up into matching labia!  (Or go with the superglue method, for looks. :))

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 8:43:35 PM   
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I don't know too much about this, but as an idea instead of actually sweing the flesh together, taking needle play to a new level and carefully threating string around the edges? It may create the same aesthetic effect without actually having to drag the string through the skin. I've seen this done on backs (corset style) and it seems much safer than actually dragging something through someone's skin. Just an idea to throw out there :)

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 8:44:04 PM   
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I'm guessing that this is a bad idea outside of a professional sterilized medical environment.

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 8:46:20 PM   
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I can hook you up with my ex if you want- he's done it a few times.

And kitty for some it's a very awesome idea :)

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 8:57:38 PM   
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I wish you luck in your endeavor to find practical information in the swarm of negative, judgemental, and indignant opinions that will probably soon follow.


Well, you got that right.  I haven't gotten any of the information I asked for, just a lot of unasked for advice on why I shouldn't do it, or how I should do it differently.

Oh, well.  I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Dan 

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 9:12:35 PM   
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sorry...i don't give unsafe advice...and i won't do your work for you....you think its out there on the internet...you have just as much access to it as i do....

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 9:13:24 PM   
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This particular idea has crossed my mind more than once,. and the solution I had come up with was to use corset-style piercings, OR to use pairs of labial rings.

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 9:34:27 PM   
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I wish you luck in your endeavor to find practical information in the swarm of negative, judgemental, and indignant opinions that will probably soon follow.


Well, you got that right.  I haven't gotten any of the information I asked for, just a lot of unasked for advice on why I shouldn't do it, or how I should do it differently.

Oh, well.  I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Dan 


But you havent gotten a bunch of negative, judgemental opinions which is a thumbs up for the Collarme.com crowd tonight.

However, what exactly are you expecting?

On some afterthought, I tend to wonder about someone who is so worried about "safety" who would even entertain any kind of applicable information regarding a proecedure like this from this particular medium.

How about a step by step guide for removing a kidney safely and cleanly from the brilliant expert, Timmy, the 18 year old Internet geek posting as a 40 year old  surgeon?

Practical information?

Go and find someone in real time you are 100% confident knows what they are doing and what they are talking about.

Thats about as practical as I can get.

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 9:36:00 PM   
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Okay, first some safety tips. Wear gloves and have a second set of gloves for the remove. Before you pass the material through the labia, run it through a cotton ball which is soaked with a non-irritant sterile mixture such as some sort of surgical scrub or iodine. (A simple patch test can let you know if the bottom is allergic to iodine. It's a common allergy, so patch test first. To patch test, rub iodine on the inside elbow area of the victi.. um, subject and let it stay there for two days or so. If they don't develop an irritation or rash, they're probably not allergic. I usually use surgical scrub just to be safe though.)

Don't lace up too tight because it's harder to cut the sutures out and do another run through a cotton ball when you remove them as the material will pick up germs just by being exposed to air. When you do a surgical scrub on the material itself, it will lessen the risk of infection. (You cannot have a totally sterile environment outside the OR, but you can lessen the risk. Being aware of the risk is half the battle.) Twenty to thirty seconds preparing the area with scrub or iodine is adequate. (I like shaved kitty's myself because part of the thrill for me is the beauty when I'm done. I highly recommend shaving prior to this form of play.)

While they are all different, I've found that 6 - 8 stitches is adequate for the 'average' woman's labia to be sewn but that's going to depend on how close together you make them. Do leave yourself a bit of room though. I've found that a quarter of an inch is sufficient to be able to undo the work once you're ready to remove it.

I've done this two different ways and I do have a preference for the first one over the second. The first way is to use hollow needles. (I prefer 18 ga syringe needles, available from KV Pet supply - cheap, cheap ) I insert all the needles first (use a small cork over the tip to avoid poking while you're doing the rest of the piercings if you want.) Once I have all the needles in place, I cut my material (I favor fishing line, but whatever you like that won't leave thread trails) to length, then you work with half for each side like a shoe lace.  I run the material through my surgical scrub on each side and remove the needle (and cork if necessary although I don't, generally, use cork myself) as I go along, keeping the material in place, crossing over after every pass through the needle (I often add beads onto the material at this point as well just because they're pretty.) Then I proceed on down the line, removing the needles with the same process (iodine on the tip before removal to lessen the chance of germs getting into the skin) and leaving the material in place, tieing it up like I would shoe laces.

The second method is to use a surgical sewing needle. I don't favor this method though because you have to work with your material being twice as long and, frankly, it just gets in my way. Also, I'm very safety oriented and I just prefer using a new needle for each poke rather than run the same needle repeatedly through the skin. Needles do get duller as you keep passing them through, so I just don't use this method any more, but it certainly does work. I would do the same thing for each pass (scrub both needle and material) but I've found I have more control over the beauty of my work with the first method. The last reason I gave up this method is because when I make a mistake and misplace my sewing needle, it's much harder to go back through, having to remove the material and repoke the needle in the correct spot.

I also use the first method and leave the needles in place and just lace up as you would an eye corset going around or through each needle but you have to watch for the tips poking the subject when you don't want that to happen, plus, your subject can't get up and move around if you keep the needles in place, so it's going to depend upon what you are planning to do after the sewing is done.

If you can get hands on training, great. If not, just be careful, take your time and have fun with it.

Celeste

edited to add: I've been doing this for fifteen years, but you don't know me from Adam and I could be full of shit, so please keep that in mind.


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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 10:33:34 PM   
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http://www.mybdsm.com/pages/faustopheles/needle_play.html

http://www.playpiercingkits.com/Playpiercing101.htm

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 10:54:58 PM   
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~If you can get hands on training, great. If not, just be careful, take your time and have fun with it.

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edited to add: I've been doing this for fifteen years, but you don't know me from Adam and I could be full of shit, so please keep that in mind.



Great post Celeste.

I have had this done to me although for me it was the inner labia and they were sewn shut for 3 days (obviously no issues with pee etc when it is the inner ones that are sutured).

Dan, Celeste has given you some great advice. It is a great experience when it is done properly. I can't tell you how much I was looking forward to seeing him at the end of those 3 days. The whole experience was fantastic.

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 11:21:17 PM   
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oh god the kitty just wants to cry at the thought. it isnt a limit, but geez.. me thinks i have spent wayyy to much at BME staring. and people wonder why i would just rather go ahead and get a chastity peircing. fixes the whole problem...

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RE: Sewing or suturing labia closed - 10/15/2007 11:43:12 PM   
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There are many places you can get the equipment online.  Things such as sutures and whatnot you can purchase without being a medical professional from medical supply sites and also from body modification sites (bmezine.com supplies several items, including sutures, sharps containers, staples, etc).

For the most part, safety with this (assuming you mean to simply and shortly "sew" the labia minora, the majora can be a bit more involved but entirely doable) is very basic and many common sense:

Follow sexual and blood-contact guidelines as you would ever -either be fluid bonded with the person and/or use barrier equipment such as gloves and whatnot.

For their safety, maintaining a sterile field and using sterile items to perform the procedure.

Make sure they know their aftercare.

Have a thorough understanding of the genital structure before doing anything.


If you know and have followed safety precautions with your piercing play then this really won't be much different.  The main focus of concern with a sewing job in such a poorly controlled and high-movement/rubbing area is going to be taking into consideration what they'll be doing while stitched and how to sew them so that the pressure on the sutures is low and evenly spread for their activity so as to cause no tearing.  If this is something you are wholly unfamiliar with or how to approach, find someone to teach you before attempting.

I'm sorry, I know of no site that is geared towards this in a BDSM manner or has instructional information.  I know where you can get some of your supplies and a site that has photos and discussions about such things from a done-it point of view (again, bmezine, there), but nothing of the type you're asking about.

My best suggestion in that area would be to learn safe suturing from a medical professional (or someone similarly experienced and knowledgeable) so that you get the stitches right... everything else, as you've got the feel for, is much the same as piercing and such.

Good luck with it!!

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