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looking4more2b -> changing profile (10/15/2007 9:35:07 PM)

I'm very new to this so if this is a stupid question, I apologize on the front end. But I am owned by a Master who wants a polyamory relationship, my question is this...his profile says that he is looking for "his one true sub" - i'm supposed to be it. Should i feel a little uncomfortable because he hasn't changed his profile? He's even created a new one and it still says that.

Maybe i'm over analyzing...help please.




PryderiLoup -> RE: changing profile (10/15/2007 9:50:54 PM)

It would be something I would talk to him about... It does seem a bit contradictory that he says he wants poly and his one true sub... If you are that person, then he is misleading other readers. If you are not, he is misleading you...
But as someone pointed out before, there are two sides to the story. Talk to him and get his.




desertdancer -> RE: changing profile (10/15/2007 11:03:35 PM)

Forgive me but your profile could be considered to be misleading as well.  You state you are

Looking for someone to help me become the real me - a submissive.


Why is he not teaching you to be the real you, the submissive you? I suggest the two of you talk about this.  Maybe you can help eachother with your profiles. 

I do worry that you two are bringing in another person but trust is already an issue, and it's happening in the early steps of finding that third.

Good luck,
dancer






SixFootMaster -> RE: changing profile (10/15/2007 11:06:52 PM)

Was this something that was discussed before you accepted his collar or is it a recent change (him wanting to be poly). I'd be wary but positive, until you know for sure how he feels. Being honest and upfront is one of the most important (if not THE most important) aspect particularly to new relationships.




looking4more2b -> RE: changing profile (10/15/2007 11:08:22 PM)

sorry for the mislead - i posted the topic when i was looking at something under a different profile. My current profile is faeriewings.




desertdancer -> RE: changing profile (10/15/2007 11:13:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: looking4more2b

sorry for the mislead - i posted the topic when i was looking at something under a different profile. My current profile is faeriewings.


Oops, sorry about that then faeriewings. 

I'd still suggest talking this out with him.  Adding a third would take a lotta trust.  Whislt your already seeming to doubt his intentions with his current profile I'd suggest that the addition of the third should not be the focus.  You should focus on being secure, being able to fully understand his reasons and wants then look at bringing in another.  It would not be fair to you or the other girl if trust is an issue.

Good luck,
Dancer




Focus50 -> RE: changing profile (10/15/2007 11:48:04 PM)

There is no "should" in how you feel - feelings generally don't lie to you, or more likely, your instincts in this case.  The "lie" is generally in how we choose to interpret (read: ignore) them....
 
Without seeing your master's profile, I'd venture that he's gotten lost somewhere between initial honesty ("one true sub") and then expanding to some hornbag fantasy of having it all ("polyamory"). 
 
This new but unchanged profile (his) suggests he's keeping his options open.  So forget the "should" of it - you're the one with the inside knowledge; what does your gut feeling *tell* you?
 
Focus.




MissMagnolia -> RE: changing profile (10/15/2007 11:59:13 PM)

Hmmmm, in your position, I'd be wondering too.

It does sound as if he is keeping his options open, as Focus said. I'm wondering if you are not only new to this, but also to your Master? It just sounds as if nothing has really been discussed, which is really a necessity when you're entering into ANY kind of relationship. Was your Master upfront about wanting poly BEFORE entering into a relationship with you? It sounds as if he was upfront about it, if he's not only not changed his old profile, but also made a new profile with the same wording. If he was open, then he really isn't doing anything wrong.

As always, everyone has hit the nail on the head. You need to talk this out. If you can't "do" poly, there isn't any shame in it. The only shame would be to try to be something you are not and waste time on something that will, ultimately, cause you such hurt that you have to walk away in the end anyway.

Good luck!![:)]




xoxi -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 1:48:03 AM)

The best way to get an answer for this question is to ask the man involved.

If you can't do that you might want to consider why you are in a relationship with him.

Just make sure you ask and don't accuse.




littlebitxxx -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 4:36:49 AM)

I think I would be seriously doing a WTF on this one.  If you're supposed to be his "one true sub" why is he wanting poly?  In my mind it's one way or the other, there's no in between here.  Communication and asking questions would be in order, I'm thinking.




looking4more2b -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 5:47:42 AM)

To answer some of the questions - when we first started talking, he asked if i would like a "household/family" with me as the main one. I replied that maybe later once I felt safe and secure in the relationship but not right at first. Well...my first "assignment" was to create a profile & find a new girl for us (him). When I asked about what we had talked about, I was told that this was my task and to just do as told.

When I have concerns (things don't feel right) and I try to ask about them, I'm told that I'm questioning him and not trusting and that he doesn't like that. I have even mentioned the profile thing and was just kinda ignored.

Due to some heartaches in my past (in vanilla world), I tend to not trust people as much as I shoud. I also have lost trust in my instinct due to those times. I'm trying to get both back, but it's hard.




Celeste43 -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 5:52:58 AM)

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.

So he agreed that you didn't have to get into poly until you felt comfortable with it, and then the moment he collared you he effectively announced that he had lied to you and you had to do poly now.

And you wonder why you don't trust him?

Are you getting enough good stuff from this relationship to make up for being with someone who ignores your feelings, lies to you, won't answer questions? If you are, then stay and deal. If you aren't, go find someone a lot more trustworthy.




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 6:26:26 AM)

I'm with Celeste on this. He is saying one thing and doing another. Total bullshit. He doesn't want you to question because he doesn't want to be called on his bullshit. Consider this your first lesson in trusting your instincts again. You think something is 'fishy'. You asked and others agree that it seems 'fishy'.




SweetSarijane -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 7:35:33 AM)

I'm just going to echo MrDiscipline44 on this since he said what I was thinking. Rather sounds like your instincts are working fine in this case. Listen to them.




toservez -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 8:09:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

I'm with Celeste on this. He is saying one thing and doing another. Total bullshit. He doesn't want you to question because he doesn't want to be called on his bullshit. Consider this your first lesson in trusting your instincts again. You think something is 'fishy'. You asked and others agree that it seems 'fishy'.


Trust your instincts are always great advice and always seems to be so dependable.

It does puzzle me as he could be just writing that thinking that is just what a submissive wants to read but the phrasing just comes off totally as non poly. Just a benefit of a doubt situation, did he basically just copy his old profile and made just a few changes and simply overlooked/too lazy to fix an error like this?




IamJustMe2C -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 8:44:37 AM)

ECHO ECHO ECHO  mrdiciplin is even giving a echo and when the rotten fish smell is out you cant stop smelling it. He has lied to you and he has been blatentley lying to you and dosent want to be called out on the mat because that would meen he dosent have control over you because you have a mind. use your mind and your body and get your ass out of there.  How many times do you have to be taken advantage of. In a vanilla relationship or in a D's relationship there is heart ache and abuse and miss trust this is one of those cases. CYA stands for COVER YOUR ASS and in this life you come first always.




iammachine -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 12:32:15 PM)

quote:

When I have concerns (things don't feel right) and I try to ask about them, I'm told that I'm questioning him and not trusting and that he doesn't like that. I have even mentioned the profile thing and was just kinda ignored.

Due to some heartaches in my past (in vanilla world), I tend to not trust people as much as I shoud. I also have lost trust in my instinct due to those times. I'm trying to get both back, but it's hard.


Looks like a duck.... waddles like a duck... quacks like a duck.... leaves green shit lying around like a duck...

Clearly, it must be a pidgeon? [;)]

I hear ya about having a hard time with trust. I also hear ya on the second guessing yourself, due to histories.

But I have a secret that a little bird once told me: No matter how insecure you feel, or how badly you want to second guess yourself, you should never ignore what your instincts are telling you. People might lie to you, but you should never lie to or delude yourself.

Your instincts... tend to not lie. You might be wrong from time to time, but you should give yourself the opportunity to be proven wrong. Don't just brush your concerns aside, and later deal with the pain of your instincts being proven right.

Damn do I hate it when I'm right.

Anyway, for what it's worth from my perspective in the peanut gallery, this guy is sending up red flags all over the place for me.

Here's a little bit of my perspective.

- He contacted you, suggesting you as a primary from the get go, without knowing you. Anyone that suggests that kind of intimacy from a stranger is immediately suspect to me, and I question how realistic their goals are, nevermind if their motives are genuine even.

- Before building any foundation at all with this stranger (you) that he claims (to you, anyway) as a primary, he's sending you off to troll other women for him, against your better judgement.

- He's smokescreening, he's refusing to communicate with you. He's using an authoritarian attitude without being willing or able to substantiate or justify his orders.

- As a side effect of the above, he is essentially demanding that you trust him, without earning said trust.

- When you question him, he pulls the "You don't trust me." card, which is a flashing, neon, red sign. There's a quote that I like, "Never trust a man that says 'trust me.'" It has served me quite well.

Trust is not something that you can command someone to have, in mine book.  Oh sure, someone can have a presence  about them that  commands the trust of those around them. That's really just  a poetic way of saying they have a trustworthy demeanor - which implies that the way they are has some spiffy keen way of inspiring (earning) trust.

Yeah, all this guy seems to inspire for me is "quack quack quack". [;)]

You're not comfortable, you have every reason to be. This guy wants you to do things that don't resonate with you (right now at least). This guy by my standards, is putting the cart before the horse. Your instincts are screaming at you, are you listening?

I'm not a trusting person, there's no secret in that. In the same right, I am not a suspicious person. I try to make it a point to take people at face value until I am given a reason  not to.  I definitely am not one to have wool over my eyes, and I tend to take notice when things don't add up. I have a lot of practice with digging beneath a demeanor (I'm analytical to a fault by nature...) and reading between the lines when I need to (you learn a lot living with an alcoholic). If the talk doesn't match the walk.... damn skippy I notice. I think you might notice, too, but you don't quite trust yourself even.

It's a matter of show and tell. Talk is cheap, you can tell someone that they can trust you until you are blue in the face, but it doesn't mean shit if you can't show them why they should trust you. You can tell someone to trust you, and all that is probably doing is showing them why they shouldn't.

Ignoring what your instincts tell you, well, that is just quackers. [;)]

So for you, what I have to offer... is a pillar of salt.

Good luck. Do what ya gotta do, and do it for you, no one else.  You mention being new to the community (welcome!), a lot of people will tell you a lot of different things. If it resonates with you then it's right for you, don't let anyone convince you otherwise, ultimately you're responsible for what's best for yourself.

Oh, and put away the duck call. [;)]




ultimatesubbie -> RE: changing profile (10/16/2007 12:38:09 PM)

My advice, for what's it's worth, is to tread very lightly and be careful.  I would certainly approach him with it but I have had a very bad experience with a Dom who was secretive.  He never answered his cell phone, claimed to be working odd hours, never shared anything private and in the end I discovered he had been lying to me the entire time.  We lived together and were engaged for nearly a year and a half.  It turned out he had been cheating the entire time and also wound up being arrested for illegal activities.  Caution is urged.




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