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MzMia -> Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/17/2007 11:35:50 PM)
Face it people, the game is over, the border{between the United States and South America} is remaining open. At least for the time being. By the time, we actually bother to really do anything significant about the border, it will basically be too late. Any and everyone that wants to be in this country will pretty much be here, and damn if they will leave. Game over. When anything worth doing is done, it will be far to late. Best thing we can do soon, is figure out how many new government agencies and programs we will need to create. Illegal Immigration Counters - Home Page

popeye1250 -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/17/2007 11:40:57 PM)
Time to go gun shopping!

MzMia -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/17/2007 11:43:22 PM)
popeye, you always make me laugh. Do you have a bunker built yet?

Pulpsmack -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/17/2007 11:47:08 PM)
The problem is not the illegals. People have and will do what is necessary to find a better way of life, whatever the consequences. Like racism, religious fanaticism (soon to be with this new cult we call science), and brutality, this is another natural, ugly side of human nature. The real problem is the people north of the wall.

MzMia -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/17/2007 11:50:28 PM)
What walls are you talking about? We have open borders, anyone and everyone is free to come here.

Pulpsmack -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 12:00:35 AM)
WE are the one with the open border. WE allow this shit to continue. They merely take advantage of American's collective stupidity and naivety. What is the point of blaming the criminals? Crime is a constant. My enemy is not the criminal, so much as it is my neighbor who thinks I shouldn't be able to carry a gun and defend myself from this constant (and votes accordingly). My neighbor who thinks these poor fucks are just doing what Americans won't do and they deserve a piece of the "melting pot" is the enemy, not them. Criminals will invade countries, rob, rape etc. But when your fellow countymen either don't give a damn or don't understand what is going on you really have a problem on your hands.

EPGAH -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 12:03:59 AM)
The problem is not that they seek a better life, it's that in doing so, they make OUR lives WORSE! Crime, closed hospitals, our welfare system bled dry, and minor annoyances like "Press 1 for English"--I'm in America, FFS! What do they expect me to speak, Swahili? (On second thought, don't answer that!) Oh, and they demand special treatment, everything translated into Spanish for them, at our expense, because while they claim to be as smart as us, 159 years is CLEARLY not enough time to learn English, nor to learn to obey our laws! Heck, if anything, they actively FLAUNT their ability to break our laws without consequence, such as marching under an enemy nation's flag, spouting Anti-American slogans, my favorite being, "We'll bring America's economy to its knees"--isn't that supposed to be Bin Laden's shtick? And that enigmatic "Si Se Puedo" ("Yes We Can")--yes we can what? Invade a country that hates you? Import the culture that caused your poverty so that you can avoid learning the language of the country you're invading? Break the law, then claim your family, or your poverty, as valid reasons to break the law, and accuse anyone trying to ENFORCE the law of "racism"? Criminal isn't a race, it's a choice! They CHOSE to invade our country, they CHOSE not to learn our language, they CHOSE to break our laws! Why is the consequence racist? Perhaps because they're invading a primarily white country? Is race the new diplomatic immunity?

beeble -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 12:10:41 AM)
quote: MzMia wrote: ... the border... this country... Why is it that Americans seem to be the only people on earth who will post something like `this country' to an international forum, with no context whatsoever, and assume that everybody will know which country they're talking about?

MzMia -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 12:12:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack WE are the one with the open border. WE allow this shit to continue. They merely take advantage of American's collective stupidity and naivety. What is the point of blaming the criminals? Crime is a constant. My enemy is not the criminal, so much as it is my neighbor who thinks I shouldn't be able to carry a gun and defend myself from this constant (and votes accordingly). My neighbor who thinks these poor fucks are just doing what Americans won't do and they deserve a piece of the "melting pot" is the enemy, not them. Criminals will invade countries, rob, rape etc. But when your fellow countymen either don't give a damn or don't understand what is going on you really have a problem on your hands. Thank you Pulpsmack, I usually agree with you and I was getting nervous. Seriously, you are 100% correct. If the situation were reversed and most North Americans lived in Mexico and South America, we would come to North America or die trying! When people have nothing and nothing to lose, they will do anything. Why not just send boats to all the 3rd world countries, and take in all the poor people in the world? There are many people willing to do the jobs Americans don't wanna do.

MzMia -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 12:15:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beeble quote: MzMia wrote: ... the border... this country... Why is it that Americans seem to be the only people on earth who will post something like `this country' to an international forum, with no context whatsoever, and assume that everybody will know which country they're talking about? Sorry beeble....I am talking about the United States of America!!

EPGAH -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 12:21:08 AM)
We're more presumptive than that, we put "The Freedom To Worship God" in our founding document, and hope that people will just "know" that we meant the Christian God...But now accept all gods, no gods, Satanists, and child-molesting polygyny cults (Although the leader of the latter was just served up on charges!) Or the 14th Amendment granting birthright citizenship, meant to give it to the long-disenfranchised slaves and children of slaves, but then perverted to cover the spawn of our invaders? As to "nothing to lose" or "poor people", the Mexicans would be at the back of a VERY long list...Africans or certain SE Asian countries would be first in line...Heck, we could deport the Mexican invaders to Africa, or China, and see how other nations deal with economic parasites...their desperation would probably make them a LOT less genteel about it than Americans! PS, here's the case that made the perversion of the 14th Amendment possible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe "No plausible distinction can be drawn between legal and illegal aliens"[&:] It was started over a proto-Proposition 187 law in TEXAS, of all places, that would have denied illegals and their children access to "free" (That is, taxpayer-subsidized) education. Note that it DID NOT try to block them from all education, just that the Texan Taxpayer wouldn't have to pay for it anymore![:D] Why is THAT so wrong, to make the invaders pay their own way, both literally and figuratively?

Estring -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 12:21:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beeble quote: MzMia wrote: ... the border... this country... Why is it that Americans seem to be the only people on earth who will post something like `this country' to an international forum, with no context whatsoever, and assume that everybody will know which country they're talking about? We will speak slower so you can keep up.

eyeh8f8 -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 1:02:44 AM)
Ok, I have no problem with Mexcans or any other nationality coming here but don't use us like we are all stupid. The fact that a person can come here and get away with murder and say something about Iraq to make a statement really makes me think that maybe they are worse than the government they protest against. The diffference is that Iraq is a declared war. Soldiers do there jobs there and whether or not we agree with some actions it is there job to do such, and damnit I would rather much support my country. When a Mexican or anybody else comes here, they should be bound by our rules. Not their home countries. If you break the law and get caught, then deal with it, and don't play the game because what you are doing is eluding from the fact that you broke the law. If I went to a European Country, wouldn't I be bound by the laws over there? So what's the difference? "But oh that person was doing things for the right reasons because they wanted to imorve there lives" Well do it over where you live. No offense but if your country is struggling why don't all you people trying tohelp you families struggle to help your country. Also, why do people refer to some of us people who live in the USA as imperialists when we say that we are proud to live where we live or we show it.I am glad that Europe has it's own union. Good for the peoplethere. But I have heard enough about "oh you pig amercan. Waving your flag and embracing such elitist or imperialist thoughts. You think you are better than us, don't you" I don't think I am better than you but what does it have to do with being proud of country?

Alumbrado -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 2:25:51 AM)
quote: the border{between the United States and South America} is remaining open. What border would that be?[;)]

meatcleaver -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 2:35:47 AM)
Gotta really smile. Aren't the Mexicans only taking back land that was really theirs in the first place before the gringos lack of respect for borders robbed them of it?

MzMia -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 4:41:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Gotta really smile. Aren't the Mexicans only taking back land that was really theirs in the first place before the gringos lack of respect for borders robbed them of it? This is actually true, to a point. Many are "taking" back the land the gringos robbed them of. Soooooooooooo, should we just let them run our country while they are at it? Once you re-claim a country, NORMALLY you change it to the way that you want it to be run. Maybe once they take back their land, they can also run it the way they are running their native countries. Maybe we can make our government just like the one in Mexico! "Viva la revolucion!"

LadyEllen -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 4:55:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver Gotta really smile. Aren't the Mexicans only taking back land that was really theirs in the first place before the gringos lack of respect for borders robbed them of it? Just a second though - my impression was that Mexico lost a war with the US a while back, and part of the settlement involved a bunch of regions being ceded to the US? If such a process is illegal such that former possesors need not recognise the transfer of land by way of war settlements, then we're all in trouble I'd say. Where I live was part of Wales until mediaeval times. and then there's Israel for a start, and interestingly also Germany who by rights own half of Poland. And then Poland, who by rights own half of Belorussia and some of Ukraine. And Hungary who by rights own northwest Romania.... and so on. E

LadyEllen -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 4:58:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyeh8f8 You think you are better than us, don't you" I don't think I am better than you but what does it have to do with being proud of country? Not that I'm proud of what England has become, but it is nice nowadays to be able to fly an English flag (not the UK flag) and not be regarded as a nazi - which was the case until very recently. It was soccer (real football) that made that possible. E

MzMia -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 5:01:27 AM)
Wonderful post LadyEllen. At this point, I think when you intend to live in any country, you must be willing to live and abide by the current laws and government. I am sure if I want to move to England and become a citizen, that I must accept their requirements for citizenship and obey their laws. IF, I decide to move their and live their illegally, should I be able to work, get free health care, free education for my children and all the rights that YOU have as a legal citizen?

LadyEllen -> RE: Face it, Game Over, The Border is remaining open (10/18/2007 5:13:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia At this point, I think when you intend to live in any country, you must be willing to live and abide by the current laws and government. I am sure if I want to move to England and become a citizen, that I must accept their requirements for citizenship and obey their laws. IF, I decide to move their and live their illegally, should I be able to work, get free health care, free education for my children and all the rights that YOU have as a legal citizen? And indeed, this is all I expect. I dont expect people who come here to become English (which is an ethnic description) but to become British in respect of our laws, customs and so on. And I'm afraid, they have to learn English - not because its the greatest language in the world, but because they cannot possibly participate as I would want them to, unless they speak the language. The problem with illegals though - and we have plenty - is the question of what one is to do with them? Its easy to say, no health care and no education (as examples) but are we seriously saying we would deny treatment to some in pain? Are we seriously saying that we want the offspring of illegals to grow up into lives of criminality - which they would have to, lacking any ability to provide for themselves otherwise? And the other problem of course, is proving who is illegal. My brother works in UK immigration and used to do deportations. Illegals generally will destroy all their papers on entry to the UK - so we cant prove where they came from, so cant deport them. And then there was the case the other week, of a nice young lady entering Birmingham airport on a flight from Portugal; she looked Portugese, she spoke the language, she had local knowledge of Lisbon to reel off to prove she was Portugese, but no passport. Turned out she was Brazilian trying to enter illegally. It was pure luck she was stopped - many many more must get through. E

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