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confused - 10/18/2007 8:05:29 AM   
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Months ago, during a conversation where my Dom asked how I felt about him playing with or talking with other submissives, I asked if he decided to play with anyone else, would he mind telling me first so I wouldn't have to hear it from someone else.  (There was one friend in particular at the time who loved calling and telling me he was playing with another sub.)  He agreed.  Exclusivity was put on the table for discussion a month or so later (again a topic he brought up), and he said he would let me know his decision on that, but there have been no more discussions about it yet. 

Since then, he has made several comments about his promise to tell me before playing, and I just thought it was his way of letting me know he remembered what he said.  He's also made it a point to tell me several times that he isn't looking for anyone to play with at all.  The other day, though, he said something that has kind of made me wonder.  He had said he needed to play then (our next visit is in a few days) but would be a grown-up and wait until I got there.  He went on to point out that he had turned down several offers for play recently because he had promised to talk with me about it first.

It felt really strange to hear him say that.  I still don't quite know how to take it.  I never asked that he not play with anyone, and have even asked a couple of times if he needed to since it was going to be a week or so before we saw each other.  I just asked that he be the one to tell me - first - that he was going to play with another.  Since the exclusivity question has never been formally answered, and I agreed to let him make that decision, I feel it isn't my place to say whether he can or can't play with another sub.

I asked him if he regretted agreeing to tell me first, and he said no, not at all.  I asked him why he didn't accept some of the offers he had turned down, and he said because I am the only one he wants.  Maybe I'm just being super sensitive right now, but if that is the case, then why even mention the other offers and how he turned them down even though he wants to play so much?  Is this just a macho guy kind of thing?  We've had a bit of a rocky time lately, and, like I said, maybe I'm just overly sensitive right now, but I just don't understand why it needed to be said at all, especially like it was my fault that he wasn't getting the play he wanted.

Should I bring this up with him or just let it go?  Communication is something we need to work on.  He doesn't like to talk about anything relationship-wise, and I have caught him in situations where he has told me one thing (what he thinks I want to hear) and a friend another about our relationship and I have trouble believing he is telling me all I need to know.  If I bring it up, I know I'm going to get that deep sigh that says, "oh god, do we really have to do this?" and it doesn't matter how I try to approach it or how light I keep it.  Yet, he says he doesn't want me to keep things to myself, that I am to tell him what I am thinking and if there is something that is bothering me.  I'm confused!  Help, please!

  

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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 8:35:44 AM   
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Ask him bluntly if he is using the exclusivity thing to get a handle on you....and if things were better,would he just go and play?

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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 8:38:39 AM   
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You know the answer....what is right for you?  How does he know what's right for you if he doesn't communicate?  How does he know if you don't? Is he being honest?  Are you truly being honest with him about your feelings?  It seems you are saying one thing to him and feeling another. Don't ask us, ask him.  That eye rolling thing can mean nothing from a guy...but if he truly isn't listening to your concerns and you are limiting them to things that are truly important to you...you might want to look at that.
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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 8:38:41 AM   
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my honest opinion....he's being emotionally manipulative...and that is not a game i play, from either side....so...the nitty gritty questions are...do you see the communications issue getting better? and if you don't, are you willing to live with it? for how long? would it be better to end it sooner or later if you're not willing to live with it?

time for some introspection, darlin....this is about are your needs being met or not and are you willing to be in a relationship where they are not...forget about what he's doing for a minute...because thats secondary compared to the communicaiton problem....

good luck...
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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 8:40:41 AM   
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There is agreeing to something in a theoretical sense and actually then taking it from theory to actual practice. Obviously none of us know your Dom or the reasons he is acting so my .02 guesses:

1) He wants to play with others for who knows what reasons but despite what you have talked about he does not believe if he does that you will be all right with it in reality. So these hints are testing/bridging the gap from theory to practice.

2) You can take him pretty much on face value that his needs or strong desires are not always filled by your availability but does not think others will fulfill those needs and desires because the needs and desires are about you in some way.

3) He wants something from you and is trying to show what a good person he is by not playing with others as a way to get that out of you or to make you feel guilty in some way.

Like you have already written you need to work on communication. If he wants to play with others and you truly do not mind then discuss with him how you can show him that you truly do not mind. If this is his way of trying to get you to see him more then talk on that issue.

I certainly though do agree if this talk came out of no where and is not typical for him to talk in this area then some issue is there.



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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 9:10:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Treasure3

Months ago, during a conversation where my Dom asked how I felt about him playing with or talking with other submissives, I asked if he decided to play with anyone else, would he mind telling me first so I wouldn't have to hear it from someone else.  (There was one friend in particular at the time who loved calling and telling me he was playing with another sub.)  He agreed.  Exclusivity was put on the table for discussion a month or so later (again a topic he brought up), and he said he would let me know his decision on that, but there have been no more discussions about it yet. 

Since then, he has made several comments about his promise to tell me before playing, and I just thought it was his way of letting me know he remembered what he said.  He's also made it a point to tell me several times that he isn't looking for anyone to play with at all.  The other day, though, he said something that has kind of made me wonder.  He had said he needed to play then (our next visit is in a few days) but would be a grown-up and wait until I got there.  He went on to point out that he had turned down several offers for play recently because he had promised to talk with me about it first.

It felt really strange to hear him say that.  I still don't quite know how to take it.  I never asked that he not play with anyone, and have even asked a couple of times if he needed to since it was going to be a week or so before we saw each other.  I just asked that he be the one to tell me - first - that he was going to play with another.  Since the exclusivity question has never been formally answered, and I agreed to let him make that decision, I feel it isn't my place to say whether he can or can't play with another sub.

I asked him if he regretted agreeing to tell me first, and he said no, not at all.  I asked him why he didn't accept some of the offers he had turned down, and he said because I am the only one he wants.  Maybe I'm just being super sensitive right now, but if that is the case, then why even mention the other offers and how he turned them down even though he wants to play so much?  Is this just a macho guy kind of thing?  We've had a bit of a rocky time lately, and, like I said, maybe I'm just overly sensitive right now, but I just don't understand why it needed to be said at all, especially like it was my fault that he wasn't getting the play he wanted.

Should I bring this up with him or just let it go?  Communication is something we need to work on.  He doesn't like to talk about anything relationship-wise, and I have caught him in situations where he has told me one thing (what he thinks I want to hear) and a friend another about our relationship and I have trouble believing he is telling me all I need to know.  If I bring it up, I know I'm going to get that deep sigh that says, "oh god, do we really have to do this?" and it doesn't matter how I try to approach it or how light I keep it.  Yet, he says he doesn't want me to keep things to myself, that I am to tell him what I am thinking and if there is something that is bothering me.  I'm confused!  Help, please!

 




In my relationship I would concider this a lie.  For sure, it speaks to the fact that I would not be able to trust that he values telling me the truth if he is more concerned with telling me what I want to hear than with what he really feels or thinks.  Communication is huge for me and a relationship without clear communication both ways would drive me insane.  
Secondly, the attitude that you are bringing something up and he is reluctantly going along with you, even though he doesn't want to, puts you in  a position of power in the relationship and him in a passive one.  If he doesn't want to talk about it, I would prefer he simply said so.
Those things being said, my relationship is far from perfect and we work on communication issues too.


Just my humble opinion,
oct 

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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 11:34:11 AM   
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[Treasure3 wrote: Should I bring this up with him or just let it go?

You should bring it up with him and make sure he answers to your satisfaction, just as you would in a non-D/s relationship.

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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 5:51:06 PM   
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Thanks everyone for your comments.  We do have to find some way to work out this communication thing.  It is driving me insane! 

Octavia, I too would prefer he simply say he did not want to discuss something, and I have told him this a number of times.  I never thought of pointing out that it changes the power in the relationship, but even if I did, I'm not sure he would change.  Some of his baggage has made it where he prefers to avoid all chance of conflict for as long as possible, even if he knows it will create distance and tension and other negative feelings.  I think he just hopes the problems will go away on their own.

RRafe, I asked him what you said, word for word.  His answer... "I want you, and I promised I wouldn't play with anyone without talking to you first.  I can be a grown up and wait until you get here.  It isn't like I have time to play with anyone else right now anyway.  I don't know what else I can tell you, except that I'm really glad you are coming before the party next weekend because then I won't be so tempted."  

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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 6:00:18 PM   
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quote:

then why even mention the other offers and how he turned them down even though he wants to play so much?  Is this just a macho guy kind of thing?


Sounds like he wants points for keeing his word.
"Look what I did...Just for you.."
x.x
It's cute.

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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 6:15:59 PM   
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but if that is the case, then why even mention the other offers and how he turned them down even though he wants to play so much? 
It's called emotional blackmail. He's doing the "See how lucky you are to have me?" routine. He's hoping that you'll do anything to keep him, because there's a line of women waiting to take your place.

I'll also add that with the disparity of the number of men vs. women in the community, I find it hard to believe that he's being pursued by a horde of women. It's been my experience in the community that things just don't work that way. Submissive women tend not to make the first move, especially when it comes to play versus a relationship.

So, I'll say....something doesn't smell right here.....

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RE: confused - 10/18/2007 6:42:05 PM   
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Disclaimer:  These are just the thoughts that came to mind when reading your op and they could be way off the mark. 

I got the distinct impression that your dom was seeking a specific reaction from you.  If he were a woman, I'd say he might be looking to make you jealous by letting you know that other women desire him... perhaps arouse some possessiveness in you that would stroke his ego.

It could be that he simply feels it's more "domly" to keep up the appearance that he has other options while he may really have no interest in anyone but you.  He did tell you that you are the only one he wants... do you have any reason to doubt that?  It sounds like he was the one who brought up exclusivity... was it you who volunteered to abide by his decision?  If so, he may be under the impression that you expect him to desire others... or at least keep that option open.

He might also have been simply going for strokes by seeking out reassurance from you that you really do want him.  While the outward expectation is that you will obediently defer to his decision, internally he might perceive your "all too willing" compliance as indifference and possibly disinterest.

Or perhaps he was testing your reaction in working up to the point where you do discuss the exclusivity issue.  As someone who appears to dislike conflict, he may be pushing (albeit gently) your buttons to gauge just how much conflict that conversation might be.

I'm sorry I can't be of more specific help to you here.  However, as for the "deep sigh" reaction that you expect should you bring up the subject, I would suggest asking him (after he sighs) if he wishes you to just keep your thoughts to yourself in the future... in a respectful and sincere manner, of course.  It doesn't sound like his actions (the sighing) are matching up with his instructions to keep nothing from him.  Ask him for clarification on this issue and explain that it isn't your wish to make him uncomfortable.

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