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Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 5:34:07 AM   
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Twinning was caused by an urge to bond, usually between two lonely people. Once they “twin,” the two become a “whole”; they become dependent on each other, often obsessively so. Twinning was like an addiction to couple, to belong to a secret club , just two people and no passwords. In its negative form, it was the fusing of two people for their own individual needs, which weren’t mutually healthy.

Quite often there is a Dominant figure in a twinning relationship which put me in mind of how twinning might be reflective of a highly positive and communicative D/s or M/s relationship where they each have a built-in, and very effective, emotional support system often sharing like emotions, feelings, and thoughts and know each other inside and out. Twinning in this situation can create a uniquely powerful structure within which the bonded pair can operate in complex ways.

The Sadist and the masochist have an additional complexity in which they nurture where as the rest of us might only concentrate upon it during acts of correction and guidance which offers a deep sense of loving focused on physical and mental pain much like trauma bonding. They will go through the same programming and torture together, and will feel the bond of “surviving it” together. A “battlefield” mentality may literally develop, as the relationship deepens and you can finally trust them to hurt you and allow being hurt.

Yes we have a deep seated need to twin or to mirror the other. Unfortunately in some cases it becomes an act of desperation where one of the two halves notice the likened image begin to cloud and fade at this point one will begin to make unrealistic changes that are intrinsic to self. Personal convictions get pushed to the side as if they meant so little. Sadly they waste each others time and worse yet place blame on the other instead of taking responsibility for their own image modifications to suit the needs of the other when they should have stood by who they were instead.

I feel that when we want something so deeply in the physical sense and act upon these sensations prematurely the mental side suffers and might not ever have the chance it deserves to develop effectively. To me mirroring is more physical where as twinning is pure mental combine the two and they are unmatchable.

The Dominant and the submissive need to twin, they need each other.

All types of relationships reflect one another to some degree for instance you will always have one who is more Dominant than the other therefore the twinning behavior will be apparent in other intimate affairs as well such as man and wife and or identical twins where they exhibit both interdependent and codependent behaviors. Yes they are two whole people (man and wife, twins, M/s and D/s couples, but they are even more when they are together.
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”You complete me.” ~Jerry McGuire
However each person should maintain a healthy awareness of who they are separately from the other and be capable and confident of managing their own life for the best relationships come from those who are complete, and own their own power.

If there are any overt developments to be achieved smiles I’ll be my usual self and mention manipulation in the sense that it is used as a development tool (by physical or mental means) pushing the submissive safely to a place not yet journeyed. When done effectively the Dominant is then in complete control which can only be achieved if they are able to read their submissive as if they shared each others minds hence twinning.

Deeper and intense is relative and no easier to accomplish in any given relationship dynamic for they are all based on communication the ability to know the other as if they were the same person. If I were to say twinning would lead to a better longer term D/s and M/s relationships then I’d have to say that of all relationships. However I am of the biased opinion that our lifestyle and kink factor adds dimensions no vanilla relationship could ever touch upon.

I will go on to clarify an important point.

When Dominant and submissive find interest in one another they exchange e-mail, chat, converse on the phone and eventually meet. The emotional and the physical must be present in order to move foreword, but invariably we find that it isn’t as good of a match as one first thought. Two self confident people will chalk it up to a worthwhile try and move on but sometimes one will do what I like to term mirroring where one will let go of personal convictions to better match the other, by doing this not only do they waste each others time but they cheat themselves of a well meaning relationship and habitually blame the other “I gave up and did everything for you, why can’t you make this work like I am trying to do?”

When this is done it becomes the highest form of negative twinning where one tries to mirror the other, become the other so they will better match (when they should be secure in themselves first and foremost) or becomes codependent of one another.

In pure form twinning I feel can become a wonderful melding of two souls each capable of standing freely a spirituality like no other complimenting such that they become one.

Perhaps we don’t need twinning but it happens, and (in my mind) it’s there.

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 6:07:11 AM   
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Interesting read, thank you

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the highest form of negative twinning where one tries to mirror the other, become the other so they will better match


This is very often the case with many people. I have had many 'introduction periods' with others that I have seen/sensed this happening. I have made comments in threads about my methods of getting to know someone. I don't reveal the obvious stuff (i.e. kinks, fetishes, BDSM practices) in the beginning. I do not have a list of 20 questions since the Q/A exchange can often be predictable & well choreographed. These are just a few ways I have found to avoid the attempt of mirroring.

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In pure form twinning I feel can become a wonderful melding of two souls each capable of standing freely a spirituality like no other complimenting such that they become one.

Perhaps we don’t need twinning but it happens, and (in my mind) it’s there.


Whether we would call it twinning or not, being in a relationship described above is indeed a blessing. I truly believe this is only capable when people are self-aware & accepting of themselves. Confidence rewards us with the ability to deeply give of ourselves. When confidence is lacking people tend to hold back.

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 6:31:14 AM   
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I fail to see why this was off topic and cast off into an area of casual banter when this clearly speaks of BDSM relationships (General BDSM discussion) something in which I take quite seriously and was provided a cohesive and thoughtful response from Mstrsspassion.

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 8:01:45 AM   
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Thank You! very interesting and well written, important thoughts in there, i needed to hear thanks again

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 10:35:50 AM   
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I have to say, i disagree with most of the post.It feels, in the words of someone i am close to(guess who lol) its a bit generalising.What about dominants who desire more than one slave or sub?And the dominants and subs who are not needy?and the people who are just not interested in 'the one' analagy?and the people, who don't believe that they tow just become one, but become something seperate as well as holding onto their own personality?

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 11:08:15 AM   
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This post reflects couple not multiple behavior which excludes poly relationships to which I have absolutely no experience in if anyone does and can relate to this topic I look forward to your input.

Twinning in the positive sense is not a needy behavior since each person is interdependent of one another owning their own power, but they are even more when they are together. In pure form twinning can become a wonderful melding of two souls each capable of standing freely a spirituality like no other complimenting such that they become one.

I’m not speaking of joined at the hip or cloning mentality. Each person is their own individual complete with their own personalities and codependent or interdependent behaviors. Irregardless these are normal human actions to which we can or not accept as right for self. A great many people can come to one another separately, become unified, and just as easily break free of one another and others can take that spirituality with them no matter where they go-feeling it increase when together, that is their head space.

Smiles its all good,
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RE: Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 12:10:02 PM   
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Twinning is a scientific term. I have never heard of it in BDSM circles or in relationship circles at all(apart from siblings). I am not really sure what this post is attempting to do. Whilst some of the sentiments are true, it's like someone trying to justify 'oneness' by placing a new expression on it that just doesn't fit. Do you feel it necessary to label something for it to exist? (I know this is probably coming across as negative, it's not meant to sound picky - I like explore peoples minds and just don't get the point of the post).

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 7/31/2005 9:25:06 PM   
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I first discovered this term while reading a fictional book and couldn’t help but think how much twinning spoke to me in a D/s or M/s fashion. There isn’t really any specific point to this thread for this has been more of a mental muse of mine that I wanted to share with all of you and to see where If at all I stood constructively.

I’m not justifying oneness with twinning however I am certainly pointing out the correlation between the two. Do I feel it necessary to label something for it to exist? No, however anything anyone ever feels strongly about we try and express thought through written word or some other artistic endeavor rarely do we ever hear people refer to what they are experiencing as “you know that well that thing, you know?”

I thank everyone for their input,
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RE: Twinning Behavior - 8/1/2005 4:30:10 AM   
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quote:

Do I feel it necessary to label something for it to exist? No, however anything anyone ever feels strongly about we try and express thought through written word or some other artistic endeavor rarely do we ever hear people refer to what they are experiencing as “you know that well that thing, you know?”


I hope you are up for some constructive criticism, lol, it's an open forum so one has to expect it - if your going to write an article like you do, it might help mention that this is what you call 'twinning' - and how you came across the term (like you just did in another post), because otherwise it might just confuse newcomers who might start using it as though it is a set term, and end up being ridiculed because they find it really doesn't exist as a term(people can be cruel sometimes). It does feel as though you are trying to add a new terminology to an already flourishing vocabulary. And there is nothing negative or bad in that, but it helps to explain that its just a personal point of view clearly, instead of allowing an article to sound as though it's definate. Newcomers have enough to deal with, like Castleream (disclaimer - my own view, not anything to do with what anyone else at CM may think) and other such misleading(even if well meaning) sites.

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 8/1/2005 4:44:59 AM   
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Smiles I’m always up for constructive criticism, that’s why I’m here and I thank you for your disclaimer advice I hadn’t thought of it that way.

Disclaimer this is cheekybottom/Tingles view point and not a well known nor accepted, as yet *SMILES* bdsm term.

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 8/1/2005 6:14:10 AM   
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I thought this thread was about Tea.

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RE: Twinning Behavior - 8/1/2005 6:22:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: imtempting

I thought this thread was about Tea.


LOL...that's what I thought too.

Nevertheless, an interesting read.

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