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The other side of the immigration problem - 10/20/2007 9:58:16 AM   
BOUNTYHUNTER


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I am beginning to see what the ranchers,farmers and manufactures are talking about now..You can't find any one that wants to work any more..IE..With the start of the new school year I posted a help wanted add in local papers ,on bulleting board and even on two high school web sites seeking a male for part time work during the week and full time on Saturday.AS of today I haven't receiver one query from theses adds,The same for my friend down the road from me,,Every summer we are over ran with young men seeking part time farm work,Not this year.Him ,his wife and 73 years old father in law put up 16000 bales of hay by them selfs..This generation is going to hell in a hand basket...WE need to kick their fat ass out from behind a computer screen,the x boxes.If they want some thing .well get a job to help pay for it...I am lucky that my daughters were of the past generation, young successful business women and yes they were semi spoiled but taught a work ethic and if they really wanted some then they must work for it...My rant is sedated now,,What say all of you YES I now have a full time employee and yes he is illegal and who gives a fuck...bounty

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/20/2007 10:01:17 AM   
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try to get a kid to shovel snow or cut grass. 2 inches of snow- and IF you can find somone- they want $20

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/20/2007 10:15:14 AM   
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PA,
Back in the 60's my brother and I did a lot of winter driveway shoveling. Normally we were paid $5 per drive. (We did it free if the homeowner was over 65.) Now if you increase that rate the same way car prices have increased in the same amount of time then you would be paying $50 to have your drive shoveled. Consider yourself lucky to be getting such a bargain.

The real problem with labor is that employers still want to pay 70's wages for a lot of jobs. It's only the migrants that can afford to take a job at those rates. Most others have too high a bill/budget structure to accept low wage jobs. When employers begin paying realistic wages there will be no labor shortage. Consider that except for tech fields there are really no new jobs being taken by migrant labor. Thirty years ago these jobs were all filled because the pay rate fit the times. There was no need for huge numbers of migrants. When wages go up the migrant need will vanish. Yes, I am aware this means increases in costs, but if people aren't being paid at poverty wages they could afford those rises in prices. Personally I would rather pay a bit more for most of what I consume than to have to "Press 1 for English."

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/20/2007 10:30:27 AM   
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On this I agree, fair price for fair labor but you would think a high school kid would love to work for 10 bucks an hour,Drive by a high school and check all the new trucks and cars in the parking lot, who buys theses vehicles, who pays for the insurance and the gas and up keep..THE parents of course Theses days of 300 dollar shoes, x box's and computer's has spoiled this generation,Thats why I endorses the school uniform policy...I believe that a kid should have time to enjoy life and prepare for their future education but its getting ridiculous,bounty

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/20/2007 11:23:36 AM   
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PA,
Back in the 60's my brother and I did a lot of winter driveway shoveling. Normally we were paid $5 per drive. (We did it free if the homeowner was over 65.) Now if you increase that rate the same way car prices have increased in the same amount of time then you would be paying $50 to have your drive shoveled. Consider yourself lucky to be getting such a bargain.

The real problem with labor is that employers still want to pay 70's wages for a lot of jobs. It's only the migrants that can afford to take a job at those rates. Most others have too high a bill/budget structure to accept low wage jobs. When employers begin paying realistic wages there will be no labor shortage. Consider that except for tech fields there are really no new jobs being taken by migrant labor. Thirty years ago these jobs were all filled because the pay rate fit the times. There was no need for huge numbers of migrants. When wages go up the migrant need will vanish. Yes, I am aware this means increases in costs, but if people aren't being paid at poverty wages they could afford those rises in prices. Personally I would rather pay a bit more for most of what I consume than to have to "Press 1 for English."


i made more in real dollars in 1981 then in 1999.

the snow can melt-$20  is too much for 2 inches.

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/21/2007 10:35:51 PM   
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I see this same situation all the time, BH.  One of my relatives has a contracting business and he cannot find any U.S. citizens who will show up for work on time and do their best job.  His current employees are from Mexico.

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/21/2007 10:44:27 PM   
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But Ven, how much is he paying $12 an hour?
Construction workers in the N.E. make $25-$30.
Union guys make $40-$50.
Plus a benefits package.
And if you try to use illegal alien labor instead of Union roofing up there the building "mysteriously" goes up in flames at 0300 some morning.
I can take out an ad in the paper and have 100 American guys ready to go to work next week but not for $12 an hour and no benefits!

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/22/2007 3:18:44 AM   
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Heres something scary - western Europe would close down within a week, if it werent for east European truck drivers.

Our supermarkets would be empty of food, our ports clogged with every conceivable piece of consumer merchandise, our farms, distribution centres and factories (what remains of them) would have no materials in or out.

Now, we have plenty of people to drive trucks, so why should this be? Yes, the blame lies partially with our own people - driving a truck is not a job, its a lifestyle and its not one to which modern society aspires, caught up as it is in the UK at least, with the notion that one should not so much as consider employment such as the "lower orders" might perform. Of the remaining UK driver population, very few will agree to the nights away from base which are required. The easterners are far more flexible and will work hard.

But much of the blame lies with government policy, which denigrates the trucking industry on which we all rely at every opportunity, and encourages children away from any form of future employment which does not revolve around a computer, desk and chair. Imagine being a fifteen year old who has erroneously learned that trucking is the source of every environmental problem we have - how motivated would you be to want to enter our industry, I wonder?

And much of the remaining blame lies with our customer base, which well knows that in the end we'll have to accept whatever price as a means of covering the overheads which continue to mount when the truck lies unused. Trucking revenues are pretty much at the same level now as they were a decade ago, and around half what they were two decades ago - against a backdrop of steadily rising costs. We have no choice but to recruit eastern drivers who will work for half price, just to make ends meet - the average gross profit after overheads here is around 1%, if there is any profit, even with such measures.

And then there's the cowboy operators in our industry, who avoid such issues as tax and proper maintenance and keep prices artificially suppressed by undercutting everyone. Yes the police do catch them eventually, but because of the lax situation here, the same people start up again under a new name the following day, the old company goes bankrupt and they continue.

And then there's us, the consumers. We get the blame all the while for wanting lower price goods - but do we get lower price goods, really? I say no - what actually happens is that goods prices rise every year, and the customers of the freight industry keep prices for haulage down, and make more profit for themselves - exactly as they do with all their other suppliers, especially supermarket suppliers.

So, its not a question of blaming immigrants or even lazy natives in my view - but about questioning the whole system which produces a situation where we need immigrants and natives are unable or unwilling to work what could be good jobs. As someone else here is fond of saying - "follow the money"

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/22/2007 5:12:06 AM   
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i am going to kill my fucken screaminmg fuckin parrot

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RE: The other side of the immigration problem - 10/22/2007 5:12:57 AM   
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Take the chastity device off him and let him masturbate......that will settle him down

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