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TheHeretic -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 6:59:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

might, might, might

herotic thats all youi keep blathering on about,  how it "might" ne represented. 



           Uh-huh.  It's called a "hypothesis," or in cases like this, where we've seen so much prior evidence, a "theory."  It calls for actual thinking, rather than simply spouting the talking points.



FullfigRIMaam -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 7:57:46 PM)

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This has nothing to do with 9/11 theories and whether they are being pushed by a particular party.
It had everything to do with it.  You obviously didn't watch the show and are unfortunately deciding to side with Limbaugh's spin on the facts; Limbaugh who's just pissed off because Maher ended the show making fun of him (illustrating the irony of Donald Trump's book) saying it was like Limbaugh writing a book saying "Be nice, and don't make shit up."  
Now you should stop trying to make the offense a democratic/liberal one, and either watch the show or realize that you are making about as much sense as your man.   M



TheHeretic -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 7:59:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bufotenin

Anyone who cries "hypocrisy" based on speculative assumptions rather than actual, citeable, events or statements is an imbecile.



      I'm not sure who this reply was meant to, Bofu.  These forums are set up very well for specific replies, and there is an "FR/fast reply" protocol for general replies to the OP, or overall tone of the thread, in common use to avoid being unclear in your replies.  I'll presume (as in applying thought to find a likely answer when all the facts are not available) that you meant to call me a name, rather than the poster above you. 

      I have not used the word 'hypocrisy' in this thread.  I have referenced different sets of rules and double standards.  Not the same thing.  If your replies are going to consist of trying to put words in my mouth, and then calling me names, don't expect me to engage in future dialogue.

      As to your statement itself; nonsense.  We have a wealth of real and imagined scandals amongst the partisan pontificators for thinking people to draw upon.



Bufotenin -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 8:27:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Bufotenin

Anyone who cries "hypocrisy" based on speculative assumptions rather than actual, citeable, events or statements is an imbecile.



     I'm not sure who this reply was meant to, Bofu.  These forums are set up very well for specific replies, and there is an "FR/fast reply" protocol for general replies to the OP, or overall tone of the thread, in common use to avoid being unclear in your replies.  I'll presume (as in applying thought to find a likely answer when all the facts are not available) that you meant to call me a name, rather than the poster above you. 

     I have not used the word 'hypocrisy' in this thread.  I have referenced different sets of rules and double standards.  Not the same thing.  If your replies are going to consist of trying to put words in my mouth, and then calling me names, don't expect me to engage in future dialogue.

     As to your statement itself; nonsense.  We have a wealth of real and imagined scandals amongst the partisan pontificators for thinking people to draw upon.


You're asserting that certain media outlets and those of a general political leaning would be outraged if the person who threw a heckler from his/her studio was a conservative, despite the fact that they aren't applying the same standards to those of liberal leanings.

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–noun, plural -sies. 




2.
a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.   In this case, the attitude is "a host has every right to eject a disruptive heckler from a private studio, regardless of the host's political affiliation". By claiming this attitude isn't genuine, and is a double-standard, you're crying hypocrisy. Follow me? Now, please cite an example in which a conservative radio/television host has EJECTED A DISRUPTIVE AUDIENCE MEMBER from a PRIVATE STUDIO and the media and/or public has made a scandal of it or implied that the host was in the wrong. If you can't do that, then your entire argument is baseless speculation because THAT is what you're arguing. 



TheHeretic -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 8:31:35 PM)

       I do watch Maher's show RIMaam.  I don't know if we'll keep the HBO past the 3 month freebie, but he would be an argument for it. 

       As for asserting I'm embracing Limbaugh's spin on this, how do you figure?  That was the Friday night show, wasn't it?  Has Rush even been on the air since it happened?  And how would you know his spin anyway?  Do you listen to HIS show?

      



dcnovice -> RE: Talk show host ejects protester on live TV (10/21/2007 8:35:35 PM)

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partisan parrots


Great phrase. CM has them on both sides of the aisle, I think.

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FullfigRIMaam -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 8:52:44 PM)

I'm sorry, I got the idea from your words here, but you in fact did not say exactly that.... 
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Perhaps you should go read one of the Limbaugh threads

The point is that you made what was a reasonable person's prerogative (throwing out someone loudly disrupting his conversation with his invited guest) and made it into a liberal issue, which couldn't be further from the truth.   M



TheHeretic -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 8:57:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bufotenin

You're asserting that certain media outlets and those of a general political leaning would be outraged if the person who threw a heckler from his/her studio was a conservative, despite the fact that they aren't applying the same standards to those of liberal leanings.

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–noun, plural -sies. 




2.
a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.   In this case, the attitude is "a host has every right to eject a disruptive heckler from a private studio, regardless of the host's political affiliation". By claiming this attitude isn't genuine, and is a double-standard, you're crying hypocrisy. Follow me? Now, please cite an example in which a conservative radio/television host has EJECTED A DISRUPTIVE AUDIENCE MEMBER from a PRIVATE STUDIO and the media and/or public has made a scandal of it or implied that the host was in the wrong. If you can't do that, then your entire argument is baseless speculation because THAT is what you're arguing. 



     Again, Bufo, you are putting words into my mouth.  I guess what I say is a bit too difficult for you to deal with, or the concept a bit too broad, so you're trying for a nice easy strawman instead.  YOO-HOO!  I'm over here.  If you want a definition...

     



double standard


noun

an ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another

NOT the same as hypocrisy.


     The bias can be seen in which facts people choose to base their opinion on, and how they weight the values involved.  Look also to the facts they disregard.  Maher yelled profanities, uttered what could easily be interpreted as a threat of physical violence, ran into the audience to push a security guard...  I am of the OPINION that this story would be covered very differently had a Conservative committed the same acts.

    As for your demand of proof, I reject it.  I'm not talking about apples or oranges, but fruit in general.



TheHeretic -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 9:05:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

I'm sorry, I got the idea from your words here, but you in fact did not say exactly that.... 
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Perhaps you should go read one of the Limbaugh threads

The point is that you made what was a reasonable person's prerogative (throwing out someone loudly disrupting his conversation with his invited guest) and made it into a liberal issue, which couldn't be further from the truth.   M



         Hehehehe.  Yeah, but just to read it.  I never said he couldn't come back.

(Yep, left myself wide open for that one, didn't I?  Nice catch. [:@])



Bufotenin -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 9:14:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Bufotenin

You're asserting that certain media outlets and those of a general political leaning would be outraged if the person who threw a heckler from his/her studio was a conservative, despite the fact that they aren't applying the same standards to those of liberal leanings.

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–noun, plural -sies. 




2.
a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.   In this case, the attitude is "a host has every right to eject a disruptive heckler from a private studio, regardless of the host's political affiliation". By claiming this attitude isn't genuine, and is a double-standard, you're crying hypocrisy. Follow me? Now, please cite an example in which a conservative radio/television host has EJECTED A DISRUPTIVE AUDIENCE MEMBER from a PRIVATE STUDIO and the media and/or public has made a scandal of it or implied that the host was in the wrong. If you can't do that, then your entire argument is baseless speculation because THAT is what you're arguing. 



    Again, Bufo, you are putting words into my mouth.  I guess what I say is a bit too difficult for you to deal with, or the concept a bit too broad, so you're trying for a nice easy strawman instead.  YOO-HOO!  I'm over here.  If you want a definition...

    



double standard


noun

an ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another

NOT the same as hypocrisy.


    The bias can be seen in which facts people choose to base their opinion on, and how they weight the values involved.  Look also to the facts they disregard.  Maher yelled profanities, uttered what could easily be interpreted as a threat of physical violence, ran into the audience to push a security guard...  I am of the OPINION that this story would be covered very differently had a Conservative committed the same acts.

   As for your demand of proof, I reject it.  I'm not talking about apples or oranges, but fruit in general.


Insisting a group applies a standard, which they attest to holding universally, to one group while denying the application of the same standards to another group is hypocrisy. Maybe that's too difficult for someone like yourself, who can't even grasp the relevant details of the event you're whining about, to understand.

You reject my demand for proof because you realize there is none, your entire argument is baseless, and you're just sore that nobody is crying about Maher pushing a conspiracy nut out the door despite crying about some other blowhard pundit you have a hard-on for constantly making stupid inflammatory statements (which is how he makes a living in the first place). Unfortunately for you, nobody but those of diminished reasoning capacity is tying the two unrelated items together. Boo-bloody-hoo.



SimplyMichael -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 9:26:41 PM)

If someone can name a right wing nutjob/radio host who doesn't eject/hang up on callers (Thanks DomKen!), I will gladly have BSB kiss their ass.

Bush gets to screen his audiences and throw people out for wearing T shirts that aren't approved of by the Republican party but that is met with acceptance as are "free speech zones" that are blocks and or miles away from the public place Bush is speaking at but god forbid someone use their private property for whatever they want.

Typical of the right wingers here, they can't see the multiple hypocrisies staring them in the face.



TheHeretic -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 9:33:16 PM)

       I reject your demand for proof because it is inane.  No two snowflakes are exactly alike, and now you are trying to put words into the dictionary which weren't there.

      Thanks for playing.  Come again sometime.



Bufotenin -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 9:41:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      I reject your demand for proof because it is inane.  No two snowflakes are exactly alike, and now you are trying to put words into the dictionary which weren't there.

     Thanks for playing.  Come again sometime.


But you're not comparing snowflakes. You're comparing entirely different fruits, remember?
If you'd drawn parallels between the response to Maher's open use of pot and Limbaugh's abuse of prescription painkillers, that might be comparing snowflakes. If you'd drawn parallels between the way people came to the defense of Maher when his show got axed for remarks he made after 9/11 and the way they claim Limbaugh should be taken off the air for the stupid shit he says, that might be comparing snowflakes. Things like that. Instead you tried to draw a parallel between two vastly different events. That's not a rational argument. It's the whining of a fool.



TheHeretic -> RE: Talk show host assaults protester on live TV (10/21/2007 9:47:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

If someone can name a right wing nutjob/radio host who doesn't eject/hang up on callers (Thanks DomKen!), I will gladly have BSB kiss their ass.




           Damn!  That kind of challenge almost makes me wish I was still running heavy equipment all day with the radio on.  [:D]  (Speaking of nice catches...)

     Honestly, I can't think of any of ANY persuasion that don't have to get rid of the occasional nutjob who makes it past the screener.  How many threaten to kick the callers ass though?



Level -> RE: Talk show host ejects protester on live TV (10/22/2007 2:18:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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partisan parrots


Great phrase. CM has them on both sides of the aisle, I think.

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I know. [;)]



eyeh8f8 -> RE: Talk show host ejects protester on live TV (10/23/2007 4:32:27 AM)

- If I went to Florida sometime during the cries for a recount there and said to somebody politically related to Gore that his tactics were because he knew he was going to lose in the system of voting today and called the democrat's actions a "conspiracy" because they knew they'd lose so they wanted to influence count by using scare tactics to get there way.

That'd probably get somebody pissed off or they'd probably laugh at me. If I did it in some Repulican related TV show they'd probably think I was crazy and maybe agree on Gore being esperate but they wouldn't think it was valid, and if I went crazy like that, I'd be removed.

-Fox News may lean right but they are closer to the middle then some other networks. If I were to put things On a number line, I'd probaly see Fox News at 2 or three and CNN,m and others at a -4 or five. And There are even farther left stations than that. And as bad as Nazi's were the far left isn't the Hippies kinda failed on thinking liberally because instead of thinking they got high and thought everything should be free. If they were to run Gov't, we'd be screwed. There goes the fucking economy, and even though it's on a lesser scale, people with deadly minds like Charles Manson ended up being able to take advantage of it all.

-Conspiracy theories are made in the most part because people want them to be true and they have bias against government. Lincolns assassination was a Conspiracy by americans but 9/11 was started by people in the middle east. We may have known that an attack could happen but tell me that we knew where and when and don't play well maybe this or maybe that.

-FDR was thought to have let Pearl Harbor happen, and he was liberal but that would be considered wrong because he was the greatest. I don't agree with the conspiracy ideas on that also so why am I pointing it out...people on the other side thought he did something wrong and voiced it. Not because they believed it but because of bias.

I know all of this has little to do with the thread but it has smething to do with it. And really if you believe any of the theories as truth then tell me thatwe knew what was going to happen, exactly, and not just a little bit. Conspiracy theries just are to cause protest also, so of course they were there to protest or to find a reason to. And this wasn't outside of a building, this was in it. If you can't respect the rules, then remove yourself, please.



Level -> RE: Talk show host ejects protester on live TV (10/23/2007 7:24:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eyeh8f8


-Fox News may lean right but they are closer to the middle then some other networks. If I were to put things On a number line, I'd probaly see Fox News at 2 or three and CNN,m and others at a -4 or five.


I see it just the opposite; CNN and the big 3 are a bit closer to the "middle" than Fox.



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