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whipingherfeet -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 6:45:31 AM)
your new master is training you well lucky girl

wisteriaV -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 9:28:57 AM)
Well look at it this way..a quiet n polite kneel looks as if youve dropped something. If by some chance you get an uneasy feeling about him after you kneel, your close enough to punch him in the nuts and quickly walk away.[:D]

Vanatru -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 9:40:52 AM)
if you're really worried about public perception of you kneeling, find out what kneeling means to the culture of that country. It maybe something a bit odd here in the US to see, but that doesn't mean it'd be viewed the same in other countries (as Aswad brought up). I'd be far more worried if he told you to give strangers you meet the thumbs-up sign (since in many countries this is the same as the 3rd finger salute is in the US)

ownedgirlie -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 9:49:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 Second, I value informed consent and since none of the other people there will have given consent to see you folks get your jollies this way, it's something I do not do. Since this has been mentioned several times now, I'm going to use this quote to add to what I wrote before about kneeling in public. When my Dad was sick, I knelt at his feet often, resting my chin on his knee to look up at him lovingly when we spoke. He was hard of hearing so it was easier for us to connect this way, wherever we were. He liked this because he could touch me while we spoke, often caressing my hair as he used to when I was little and he would comfort me from a bad dream. Kneeling itself is not a kink. When I was in New York City last month, I saw a woman drop to her knees in prayer, right on the sidewalk. Kinky? Not at all. I figured she was moved by the spirit within her and was doing what she needed to do. At worst, the public may look at a kneeler as a little odd, but I seriously doubt they'll be traumatized by someone kneeling before another. And if anyone was traumatized by my kneeling at my Dad's feet in public, then that's their issue to deal with. Dad is gone and I don't regret showing him my love and respect for one moment. Nor do I regret showing my Master such respect, either.

Vanatru -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 10:04:49 AM)
That was a very touching example, ownedgirlie. Thanks for sharing.

ownedgirlie -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 10:16:00 AM)
My pleasure, Vanatru, and thank you for the kind words.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 10:37:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 Second, I value informed consent and since none of the other people there will have given consent to see you folks get your jollies this way, it's something I do not do. You didn't get consent to wear what you are wearing, to sit like you are sitting, to walk like you are walking- why is it important for you to suddenly get consent to put your body in a particular kneeling position?

bottombob -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 10:40:36 AM)
one thing to think of, if he's paying for your way there, what if you don't like it? you might never get back here and one more thought, i have been through 15 different countries like, singapore, korea, japan, chinia and many more in that reagon, the preople in most part are very friendly, but, there's always a but' theres very unfriendly groups around that would like nothing more than rob and kill you, as here but (again) some countries are dangours for a single woman

shellzbythesea -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 10:42:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unsureslave one of my rules my Master has told me is that everytime i see Him that i am to kneel until told to rise even in public. i know my place is at His feet but i know i will be very uncomfortable doing this in public especially since i will be meeting Him for the first time in a foreign country, but i dont want to be disobedient and get punished. i'm curious what others think? unsureslave: When do you plan to fly to this foreign country? i'm guessing you don't want to share which one it is since you've not said, and that's already been asked. Please post a note to let us know of your safe return...if indeed you do return safely. Please tell me you've either visited this country before or have at least purchased some books on the customs there. i have travelled in a foreign country for several weeks on my own and it's a very challenging experience but i'd still be more comfortable doing so alone than at the feet of a Master i've never met. Regardless of how close his letters and calls make you feel...he is a stranger in a different country and anything can happen when you meet him. Have you heard of a Yahoo group called "Safecall?" you may want to pull them up and see what they do. i'm not even suggesting that you will need their (free of charge) services but IF you ever do...it's a great resource to have. They have rescued subs from all over the US and i believe even in other countries. Many Doms and subs alike belong to this group from all over the world and it would not hurt for you to make contact with others of a like mind in the area you will be visiting. Just my 2 cents.

BeingChewsie -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 10:59:27 AM)
I have been thinking the same thing. It is legal, non-sexual and non-intrusive. I have in the past with R gone to my knee in LAX, Long Beach and SNA airport without so much as a noticeable look from people. I usually genuflect, head bowed for a few seconds, and then get up. No fuss, no muss. It is a genuine expression of devotion and worship. This idea that all the people around us need to consent to every interaction R and I have that is in public is ridiculous. What if he was my religious leader or to borrow a term my "new age guru"?...Wouldn't you feel a little stupid if you got your knickers in a knot over our "kink" when you found out it wasn't "kink" at all? That is assigning your own bias to an activity that has no "kink" meaning attached to it in a variety of circumstances. quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Wow, what interesting and negative responses. To Unsureslave, I can't comment on your particular situation because there are too many unknowns. I don't know how long you have known him, or what dynamic is in place between you both, or anything else about your situation. As for myself, over 3 years ago I went to meet my Master (whom I had not yet met before but whom I already called Master) and was kneeling naked before him when he first saw me (not in public, however). It was an amazing and powerful event, and I happily belong to him to this day. And I still kneel before him every time I see him. As for kneeling in public? Any time, any place, I will kneel before him. No one notices, comments, or looks twice. I massaged his feet in a restaurant once - no one cared. This wasn't inflicting "kink" on any public person. It was showing devotion and care to a man I love. Inflicting "kink" on the public would be if he were flogging me on the street (which he has threatened to do...heh). In any case, most often it is the person doing the kneeling who is most uncomfortable with it, until he/she gets used to it. I hope he is good for you, and things work well for you.

unsureslave -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 11:21:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: captainblack Sounds to me like a good way to weed out the girls that are not worth investing some time and effort in. If a girl can not kneel upon seeing me what in the world will she do when I ask her to do something hard like deliver a bunch of papers to a client, or wash my car? This kneeling thing may weed out more non-serious girls than my usual first meeting instruction of how to dress. good point especially since He is paying for my trip. quote: ORIGINAL: whipingherfeet your new master is training you well lucky girl thank you, i agree. quote: ORIGINAL: bottombob one thing to think of, if he's paying for your way there, what if you don't like it? you might never get back here i don't think that would necessarily be a bad thing... i would have no problem meeting other people there. but i will have a ROUNDTRIP ticket before i go. quote: ORIGINAL: shellzbythesea unsureslave: When do you plan to fly to this foreign country? i'm guessing you don't want to share which one it is since you've not said, and that's already been asked. Please post a note to let us know of your safe return...if indeed you do return safely. Please tell me you've either visited this country before or have at least purchased some books on the customs there. i have travelled in a foreign country for several weeks on my own and it's a very challenging experience but i'd still be more comfortable doing so alone than at the feet of a Master i've never met. Regardless of how close his letters and calls make you feel...he is a stranger in a different country and anything can happen when you meet him. Have you heard of a Yahoo group called "Safecall?" you may want to pull them up and see what they do. i'm not even suggesting that you will need their (free of charge) services but IF you ever do...it's a great resource to have. They have rescued subs from all over the US and i believe even in other countries. Many Doms and subs alike belong to this group from all over the world and it would not hurt for you to make contact with others of a like mind in the area you will be visiting. Just my 2 cents. if you read some of previous posts, i have sorta alluded to the country i'm going to although i'd rather not just come out and post it here... not a 3rd world country, not one i've been to yet but would like to visit. i have even been trying to learn the language for nearly 11 months now tho i am far far from fluent. i did live in London for 2 months and traveled to other countries on my own where i didn't fully speak the language so that is not a big concern for me. i do have friends in countries a hop and a jump away... i am taking certain precautions and i have been chatting with other 'locals' in the area i will be visiting mid-next month... and thank you i will look into Safecall as well. and thank you ownedgirlie for input also. i was curious to know if kneeling in public (in general) was something that Masters asked of their slaves and if other slaves did it... and all the opinions and views have been most interesting, not exactly what i had expected. i think "kink" needs to defined... quote: kink –noun 1. a twist or curl, as in a thread, rope, wire, or hair, caused by its doubling or bending upon itself. 2. a muscular stiffness or soreness, as in the neck or back. 3. a flaw or imperfection likely to hinder the successful operation of something, as a machine or plan: There are still a few kinks to be worked out of the plan before we start production. 4. a mental twist; notion; whim or crotchet. 5. Slang. a. bizarre or unconventional sexual preferences or behavior. b. a person characterized by such preferences or behavior. –verb (used with object), verb (used without object) 6. to form, or cause to form, a kink or kinks, as a rope. i certainly don't think kneeling is a sexual preference or behavior (otherwise there a LOT of "kinky" vanilla people)... to me i see it as a form of respect and devotion, nothing sexual at all. i am just uncomfortable because this would be my 1st M/s relationship and i would be getting used to do it in a foreign country and would be expected to do so in public.

Aswad -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 11:33:13 AM)
Edited: never mind.

Sinimint -> RE: kneeling in public (10/21/2007 6:02:34 PM)
Well that's a bit of a worry "I'd rather not just come out and post the name of the country here". That screams unsafe to me, otherwise you would be posting it. And you say you have eluded to the country in your posts, well certainly not from what I have read. I have no prob with the kneeling, big bloody deal! What I do have a problem with is meeting someone in a country "you wont name" for the first time! I really hope you know what you're getting into - I seriously do. I just have these visions in my mind of the movie "Not without my Daughter", and the trouble that woman had getting out of that country. If you saw the movie, her passport and everything was taken away from her, from a man she trusted and loved beyond measure!!!!!!!! He suddenly changed when she was in his home country and she was trapped in a nasty place, with weird customs etc. Sorry, but that's the first thing I thought of. Good luck to you.......

Celeste43 -> RE: kneeling in public (10/22/2007 6:09:57 AM)
Going to your knees for a moment to pick something up you deliberately dropped is one thing. Getting down on your knees and forearms kissing his feet is something else. It may not be illegal but it isn't something I would want my minors to ask me about and therefore I wouldn't do it to someone else. YMMV

batshalom -> RE: kneeling in public (10/22/2007 8:40:02 AM)
Actually, kneeling in public is one of my biggest kinks. I've never done it for a stranger though. Could be hot.

MasterDoug48 -> RE: kneeling in public (10/22/2007 8:46:06 AM)
Maybe we should talk about you kneeling

YesMistressIrish -> RE: kneeling in public (10/22/2007 8:46:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: batshalom Actually, kneeling in public is one of my biggest kinks. I've never done it for a stranger though. Could be hot. *It is hot!* I had a first meet with a sub. We went to a concert, then to Hooters. He is a bit of a brat. I had to drop my keys 3 times at the table before he finally did it right, on one knee and looking up at me. The stools were high, so that made it more fun. Also, being at Hooters of all places! He has a past history of being macho and a titty lover, so it was a perfect setting to knock a little sense into him. He blushed and I know he'll never forget how to do that one pose.

camille65 -> RE: kneeling in public (10/22/2007 8:52:10 AM)
I meant to be kneeling when my dominant first saw me. Instead I was curled up in a chair in his hotel room, sound asleep lol. Kneeling in public is no big deal to me nor does it scream BDSM. I kneel [sometimes sit] on the floor to tie my shoes or rearrange my backpack etc. There is the one knee kneel which is unobtrusive as well. Or curtsying which is something I love. I think it would make me smile to see a woman curtsy to a man in public, or for a man to kiss the back of a womans hand. The safety factors do concern me though [&o] , is he picking you up at the airport then taking you to your hotel? Is the room registered in your name? If it isn't then I think you should do that, the paper trail thing. I'd quietly speak to the conceirge and let him/her know you are visiting there alone. Do you have some pre-written phrases on paper incase you have a problem and can't communicate it? [Heh I did that in China, stuff like: I'm lost and need a policeman etc] Do friends/family know exactly where you will be staying and his personal information? Will you have your own means of transportation, or will you be in his car? I'd suggest taxis and not his own personal car. Cellphone service, have you checked for that? This could be a fantastic adventure for you and I am a wee bit jealous. I hope you have a great time, I really do.

ownedgirlie -> RE: kneeling in public (10/22/2007 11:02:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 Going to your knees for a moment to pick something up you deliberately dropped is one thing. Getting down on your knees and forearms kissing his feet is something else. It may not be illegal but it isn't something I would want my minors to ask me about and therefore I wouldn't do it to someone else. YMMV I did not see any of her posts suggest she would also be on her forearms and kissing his feet. She said she would be kneeling until he tells her to rise. Even if it did incorporate such a kiss, a simple, "Oh, that's how some people express their love and devotion for another" would suffice for my little nieces and nephews. They probably wouldn't even remember it afterwards, except for the youngest, who would probably run around doing that to everyone and laughing about it for awhile :)

BeingChewsie -> RE: kneeling in public (10/22/2007 11:38:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 Going to your knees for a moment to pick something up you deliberately dropped is one thing. Getting down on your knees and forearms kissing his feet is something else. It may not be illegal but it isn't something I would want my minors to ask me about and therefore I wouldn't do it to someone else. YMMV I did not see any of her posts suggest she would also be on her forearms and kissing his feet. She said she would be kneeling until he tells her to rise. Even if it did incorporate such a kiss, a simple, "Oh, that's how some people express their love and devotion for another" would suffice for my little nieces and nephews. They probably wouldn't even remember it afterwards, except for the youngest, who would probably run around doing that to everyone and laughing about it for awhile :) Another really reaonable answer if a kid asks about is "I don't know". You wouldn't acually know what it means between them. I'll say again he could be her religious leader, her new age guru, any number of possibities..none of which have anything to do with "kink". I'm not following what there is to "explain" to minors. It isn't sexual, it isn't violent, they see it in church. Though I'd take your route with my son I'd tell him the possibilities, religious leader, new age guru, a man she deeply respected/worshiped or was devoted too and move on. I doubt my kid would even notice, he isn't all that interested in what adults in airports are doing, he just wants to see the planes!

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