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SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/23/2007 5:03:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Ok people this was a trick question. The op was talking about his vanilla life. Divorce her.


We need a thread about punishing Tops who keep asking for wank material.[:D]


Well if you consider kneeling on uncooked rice for ten minutes wank material...then hey...whatever gets you going man.

Anyways, I think it's time for my response.

If this had happened to me and my slave...

Then I would first, and in the most calmest manner, happily turn mu house into WW2. In other words, I'd make the already large mess...incredibly insane.

Next, I'd cover her right eye, and tie her left hand behin her back. All the while giving her explicit instructions that she is to have the house clean before she can do anything else.

Next, I'd move all of her things to sleep with (pillow, blanket) into the kitchen. And for every hour it took her to clean the house she would then have to sleep that many nights there.

And lastly, for every hour it took her to clean the kitchen, she would then have that many hours of "timeout" in the kitchen each day until her punishment in days has finished.


ah hell if she was so stressed she didnt clean it when free, she probably gonna get her blankie and pillow and curl up in the kitchen floor for a nap



octavia -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/23/2007 7:13:35 PM)

Forgive my being honest here, but a lot of these responses just sound plain abusive.  Reminds me of the stories you read about abusive parents who have internalized rage and take it out on the children.  


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Well if you consider kneeling on uncooked rice for ten minutes wank material...then hey...whatever gets you going man.

Anyways, I think it's time for my response.

If this had happened to me and my slave...

Then I would first, and in the most calmest manner, happily turn mu house into WW2. In other words, I'd make the already large mess...incredibly insane.

Next, I'd cover her right eye, and tie her left hand behin her back. All the while giving her explicit instructions that she is to have the house clean before she can do anything else.

Next, I'd move all of her things to sleep with (pillow, blanket) into the kitchen. And for every hour it took her to clean the house she would then have to sleep that many nights there.

And lastly, for every hour it took her to clean the kitchen, she would then have that many hours of "timeout" in the kitchen each day until her punishment in days has finished.



OnyxDelphi -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/23/2007 7:39:41 PM)

It all depends on your personal relationship with the person.

I would never do that to someone who didn't first allow me to do it to them. Hence, no real abuse.



RRafe -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/23/2007 7:51:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

It all depends on your personal relationship with the person.

I would never do that to someone who didn't first allow me to do it to them. Hence, no real abuse.


But why do you seem to NEED to?



OnyxDelphi -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/23/2007 8:04:54 PM)

Well then we'd be approaching the topic as to "why" am I a Master in the first place. Which actually...is up to no ones discretion or judgement but my own.



RRafe -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/23/2007 8:09:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

Well then we'd be approaching the topic as to "why" am I a Master in the first place. Which actually...is up to no ones discretion or judgement but my own.


I just find it interesting that you seem to view behavior modification in such a strangely one dimensional way.

It's almost like you are getting your ideas from bad pornography-rather than real life experience.



octavia -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/23/2007 8:21:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

It all depends on your personal relationship with the person.

I would never do that to someone who didn't first allow me to do it to them. Hence, no real abuse.

Another person's acceptance of your bad behavior does not negate it. 



NorthernGent -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/27/2007 6:49:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

Name your punishment.



I'd send her into the forest for some wood for the fire...about the same weight proportion as Jesus and his cross...I might have a crown of thorns made......'would depend on my mood. Anyway, I'd then expect her to make fire by rubbing the wood together......there's no rest bite until she has achieved fire: if it takes days, then don't do the crime etc. I'd then wait until the kindling is ablaze and I'd dangle her over the top, just enough to singe her toes, and I'd bark out a few choice words along the lines of "any more of that carry on and you'll find yourself on a skewer: you're currently a third-rate cleaner, but you'd make a first-class main course".

Or, I'd find out what is so important at night that she needs to sleep during the day and neglect her duties.

I'm surprised the home is a pig sty in the first place......has she been sat around watching Oprah and eating ice cream again? What doesn't she understand about the concept of a tight ship? or walking the plank, for that matter?



MrSpectacular -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/27/2007 7:13:09 PM)

I think get the fuck out of here would be appropriate  if you are going to sleep in my house and leave it as a pig stye. However, it is a loaded question because it raises issues about why you would be in a relationship with someone who sleeps during the day - suggests depression. - and who would also not follow direction. There are relationship issues that would come up way before we got to this.



ResidentSadist -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/28/2007 1:30:07 AM)

Nice game, thank you for the post.
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1.  If my house was a pig sty it would be because the party last night lasted longer than the slave(s) attending it… or some other abnormal circumstance to cause the mess. 

2.  If the slave chose to lolly gag for 5 hours and then sleep for another 5 hours, thus disobeying explicit and acknowledged instructions, there would have to be something deeply wrong for a slave to do that. 

3.  A thorough discussion to discover the slave’s motives would be in order.

4.  Punishment, and/or further training or release would be in order.

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I have had an experience where a slave fell asleep, missed some minor duties and expected to be punished as a result.  They were quite surprised to learn there was no punishment and I cared more about my living properties health than the state of my inanimate properties cleanliness.  She had not lolly gagged,  

If this were a reoccurring problem, I would seek the source.  Is there a health issue or is sleep being abused as means for a lazy slave to escape duties?   



Noah -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (10/28/2007 12:05:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: octavia

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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

It all depends on your personal relationship with the person.

I would never do that to someone who didn't first allow me to do it to them. Hence, no real abuse.

Another person's acceptance of your bad behavior does not negate it. 


It doesn't negate the behavior (I'm not even sure what that would mean) but it can negate the badness.

Isn't that concept at the heart of consensual BDSM?

Behaviors, such as spanking, bondage, etc, which are generally thought of as bad things to do--in many cases abusive--are transformed by the mutual acceptance of the parties involved.

Are there behaviors beyond the pale of such transformation? I think so. Murder would be one. But Octavia, just because certain behaviors would be abusive if applied to you, be slow to conclude that these are objectively "abusive behaviors" as murder is.

Is it abusive to take someone on a Ferris Wheel ride? If you are deathly afraid of heights and were repeatedly subjected to this torture in your youth by some unethically sadistic person, then maybe it is abusive, for you. That doesn't make everyone else on the Ferris Wheel sadomasochistic.

If, however, you have transcended that early influence and now find it thrilling, even erotic to be "subjected" to this sort of thing, you may consent to it. It is your consent ("other person's acceptance") which transforms the behavior from bad to good, or great, as I see it.

What do you think?

Consent isn't simple. It is easy to think of adequate and inadequate (for instance, violently coerced) consent. I don't think that the presence of any kind of consent whatsoever tells the whole story.

Still, to suggest that that "the other person's acceptance" cannot make right a behavior which would otherwise be wrong seems itself flat wrong to me. I wonder if you would accept that?





DiabolicalWings -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (2/28/2008 10:17:01 PM)

Very intriguing... I believe the only way I can make this apply to me since I can only see myself in the slave's position is that I would think was a suitable punishment for myself.
(I wont even go into the why and how of why I fell asleep, I'm simply taking the statement as fact and replying)
Moving on,
Clean the house because that was the original plan. Have it looked over with a fine tooth comb and if anything is out of place or unacceptable in the slightest (including breadcrumbs XD) having to redo the entire room repeatedly until reaching complete satisfaction.
and then for added measure: Either my usual mixture of caning, whipping, paddle etc brought past my point of pleasure, (since i am such a stickler for pain...arent we all?) or which is even worse the complete lack of physical punishment and contact upon entering the home besides having to actually carry out the original order in the first place, also a set number of days I would not be allowed to sleep in the bed (which is my greatest pleasure)

Sorry if this was too personal for the exercise and if we were supposed to give something more in general. Only way I could apply it...is personally.





StormsSlave -> RE: Round Table of Punishment #1 (2/29/2008 2:12:35 AM)

I'm thinking I'm glad I'm not a 24/7 slave to any of you!  My Lord must not read this....[:D]  Wouldn't want him to have any new ideas....



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